On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:58:20 -0500 Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| A far better justification than you've given currently.
|
| How about hacking on open source is done so that people can scratch
| an itch. No developer has to be a slave to the demands of others if
| it doesn't scratch
Greg KH wrote:
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 09:44:20PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Wednesday 07 February 2007, Roy Marples wrote:
Welcome to baselayout-ng
please god do not use this name ... just call it baselayout-2
Especially as what will you call the replacement for baselayout-ng?
Donnie Berkholz wrote:
Welcome to baselayout-ng
please god do not use this name ... just call it baselayout-2
Especially as what will you call the replacement for baselayout-ng?
baselayout-ng-ng?
What did they call the Star Trek after NG? =)
Deep Space Nine, then Voyager, then
Hi all,
A friend of mine and myself are willing to develop some tools to help ebuild
development.
We have some constraints, but we are thinking on something like:
1) A tool to ease writing ebuilds. It would take some parameters, i.e.:
1.1) Where are the sources?
1.2) Decompression algorithm?
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:38:08 +0100 Jose San Leandro
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| A friend of mine and myself are willing to develop some tools to help
| ebuild development.
All the common cases should be handled by default functions, package
manager functions and eclasses. Thus, writing ebuilds
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 23:42:14 -0500
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 07 February 2007, Roy Marples wrote:
In the current code I'm running it's only the network stuff that
uses arrays. If you're thinking about /sbin/functions.sh, well that
can stay as bash as it's not used
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Which is all very well, but not sufficient reason to screw up a project
that is developed and used by a lot of people.
As if we were all gonna die without bash arrays in our config files.
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Kind Regards,
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On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:32:20 +0100 Simon Stelling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| Which is all very well, but not sufficient reason to screw up a
| project that is developed and used by a lot of people.
|
| As if we were all gonna die without bash arrays in our config files.
On Thursday 08 February 2007 10:38 pm, Jose San Leandro wrote:
Hi all,
A friend of mine and myself are willing to develop some tools to help
ebuild development.
We have some constraints, but we are thinking on something like:
1) A tool to ease writing ebuilds. It would take some parameters,
Which is all very well, but not sufficient reason to screw up a project
that is developed and used by a lot of people.
As if we were all gonna die without bash arrays in our config files.
And once again nobody thinks of the user base. Changing configuration
file syntax means
Apropos ebuild-aware text editor, has anyone written an eclipse plugin
yet? I find that setting up ebuild as an external tool is basically
all I need but syntax highlighting and eclass reference would make
things prettier.
On 2/8/07, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007
That is enough once you know how to write ebuilds.
We were thinking of a GUI to soften the learning curve to non-experts.
Probably not useful for a Gentoo developer, but could provide an easy way to
write ebuilds to project maintainers themselves, not to Gentoo resources.
On Thursday 08
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:38:04 +
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:32:20 +0100 Simon Stelling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| Which is all very well, but not sufficient reason to screw up a
| project that is developed and used by a lot of
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 11:02:38AM +, Roy Marples wrote:
Who said that there would be loss of functionality?
I'm just suggesting a new config while supporting the old one.
That sounds great, especially for all the slackers unwilling to change
their config files. :-)
cheers,
On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 08:18 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:58:20 -0500 Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| A far better justification than you've given currently.
|
| How about hacking on open source is done so that people can scratch
| an itch. No developer has
On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 10:38 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:32:20 +0100 Simon Stelling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| Which is all very well, but not sufficient reason to screw up a
| project that is developed and used by a lot of people.
|
| As
On Thursday 08 February 2007, Krzysiek Pawlik wrote:
Deep Space Nine, then Voyager, then Enterprise... sounds good to me ;)
baselayout-deep-space-nine ;) Portage would hate such versioning scheme ;)
I would love it, it would be perfect with the naming convention I'm using for
my boxes :)
/me
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 07:28:34 -0500 Chris Gianelloni
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| He's not screwing up anything. He's making changes he wishes as the
| author and maintainer of the package. If someone doesn't like it,
| they can fork it and maintain their own package. Isn't that just
| wonderful?
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 07:32:45 -0500 Chris Gianelloni
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Actually, that's one of the joys of open source. There *doesn't* need
| to be *any* justification *whatsoever* for Roy to do anything he
| likes. After all, that's how many projects start out. Someone
| decides they
On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 11:59 +0100, Jose San Leandro wrote:
That is enough once you know how to write ebuilds.
We were thinking of a GUI to soften the learning curve to non-experts.
Probably not useful for a Gentoo developer, but could provide an easy way to
write ebuilds to project
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 12:45:30PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Ooh, an ad hominem!
Is that the name of paludis' bug reporting tool?
cheers,
Wernfried
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Christopher Covington wrote:
Apropos ebuild-aware text editor, has anyone written an eclipse plugin
yet? I find that setting up ebuild as an external tool is basically
all I need but syntax highlighting and eclass reference would make
things prettier.
I have no idea of the status, but I
Wernfried Haas ha scritto:
On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 12:45:30PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Ooh, an ad hominem!
Is that the name of paludis' bug reporting tool?
lol,
anyway stop this thread, Roy stated that the installed cfg files will be
managed via use flags that would satisfy everyone.
frilled wrote:
Which is all very well, but not sufficient reason to screw up a project
that is developed and used by a lot of people.
As if we were all gonna die without bash arrays in our config files.
And once again nobody thinks of the user base. Changing configuration
file
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:13:37 +0100 Wernfried Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 12:45:30PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| Ooh, an ad hominem!
|
| Is that the name of paludis' bug reporting tool?
No, that would be trac, as you know fine well.
On Thursday 08 February 2007 14:20, Doug Goldstein wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:13:37 +0100 Wernfried Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 12:45:30PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| Ooh, an ad hominem!
|
| Is that the name of paludis' bug
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:26:40 +0100
Francesco Riosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
lol,
anyway stop this thread, Roy stated that the installed cfg files will
be managed via use flags that would satisfy everyone.
I say maybe a USE flag or something else. May not need one, we'll see.
Existing configs
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:20:17 -0500 Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Do *YOU* have anything useful to contribute to the discussion because
| all I've seen is your useless FUD which countless times people have
| said is not true.
If you bothered to pay attention, you'll note that Roy
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:17:58 -0500 Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 07:32:45 -0500 Chris Gianelloni
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| | Actually, that's one of the joys of open source. There *doesn't*
| | need to be *any* justification
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:28:52 +
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:20:17 -0500 Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Do *YOU* have anything useful to contribute to the discussion
because | all I've seen is your useless FUD which countless times
people have
Ciaran McCreesh schrieb:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:20:17 -0500 Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Do *YOU* have anything useful to contribute to the discussion because
| all I've seen is your useless FUD which countless times people have
| said is not true.
I can count to one.
If you
Roy Marples wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:26:40 +0100
Francesco Riosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
lol,
anyway stop this thread, Roy stated that the installed cfg files will
be managed via use flags that would satisfy everyone.
I say maybe a USE flag or something else. May not need one, we'll
I am planning on moving the install locations of all the rox-base/* and
rox-extra/* applications from their current location (/usr/lib/rox) to
something a little more FHS-correct[1] and tolerant of multilib support.
The main reason for this change is that I got a bug from amd64 because
the
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 08:06:07 -0800
Josh Saddler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Next question, then, since I am extremely, exquisitely glad to know
that the existing, familiar, comfortable, (etc.) way of doing it will
be allowed, how long will that last. That is, will we all be forced to
migrate to
On Thursday 08 February 2007, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
Greg KH wrote:
On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 09:44:20PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Wednesday 07 February 2007, Roy Marples wrote:
Welcome to baselayout-ng
please god do not use this name ... just call it baselayout-2
Especially as
On Thursday 08 February 2007, Roy Marples wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wednesday 07 February 2007, Roy Marples wrote:
In the current code I'm running it's only the network stuff that
uses arrays. If you're thinking about /sbin/functions.sh, well that
can stay as
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
But hey, I understand you like to go around bashing people. Does doing
so scratch an itch of yours or something?
I guess we all misunderstood.
As long everybody won't have additional work (like changing all our
systems) I think nobody would complain.
If the
On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 11:05 -0600, Jim Ramsay wrote:
I am planning on moving the install locations of all the rox-base/* and
rox-extra/* applications from their current location (/usr/lib/rox) to
something a little more FHS-correct[1] and tolerant of multilib support.
The main reason for
On Thursday 08 February 2007, Thomas Rösner wrote:
AFAIR App Dirs provide internal arch distinction, so why not just put it
in /usr/share/rox?
/usr/share is not a good place for any kind of executable. /usr/lib is more
suitable for the purpose.
--
Diego Flameeyes Pettenò -
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
On Thursday 08 February 2007, Thomas Rösner wrote:
AFAIR App Dirs provide internal arch distinction, so why not just put it
in /usr/share/rox?
/usr/share is not a good place for any kind of executable.
Also, after compiling the AppDirs (in the few cases
Ed Catmur wrote:
On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 11:05 -0600, Jim Ramsay wrote:
I am planning on moving the install locations of all the rox-base/* and
rox-extra/* applications from their current location (/usr/lib/rox) to
something a little more FHS-correct[1] and tolerant of multilib support.
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:01:08 -0500
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
some init.d scripts use arrays as well
Do we know which ones?
grep for it :p
netmount for sure right now
Well, netmount is baselayout, so that will kinda be done by default :)
i guess my point was i think we
I sort of missed this conversation, so apologies in advance if this
has already been covered, but wanted to say that gentoo's initscripts
are generally not suited for embedded systems.
So making baselayout busybox-compatible doesn't seem to be worth the
disruption and headaches it would cause.
On Thursday 08 February 2007, Roy Marples wrote:
Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
did you get a chance to see how hard it would be to integrate the
bash array code ?
Integrate into what? You mean integrate into other shells?
mmm i thought you were looking to parse the config files
On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 13:23 -0700, Daniel Robbins wrote:
I sort of missed this conversation, so apologies in advance if this
has already been covered, but wanted to say that gentoo's initscripts
are generally not suited for embedded systems.
So making baselayout busybox-compatible doesn't
On 2/8/07, Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As somebody that's had to hand write many of those kinds of scripts. A
single rcS is not very ideal. Our init scripts are in fact mostly usable
by busybox. Granted there are a few special special cases, but then Roy
is offering to update those for
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
On Thursday 08 February 2007, Jim Ramsay wrote:
How would you then reconcile the issues raised in this bug[1]
regarding /usr/lib and multilib support?
/usr/lib/misc most likely, or /usr/libexec as you prefer, considering that
the
policy about that is
If any of you were thinking of removing the latest stable version of a
package, don't. Even if you're the package maintainer, even if there
are open security bugs against it, even if someone has filed you a bug
requesting that it be removed. If it's the latest stable version on any
architecture,
On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 14:49 -0700, Daniel Robbins wrote:
On 2/8/07, Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As somebody that's had to hand write many of those kinds of scripts. A
single rcS is not very ideal. Our init scripts are in fact mostly usable
by busybox. Granted there are a few special
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:20:17 -0500 Doug Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| Do *YOU* have anything useful to contribute to the discussion because
| all I've seen is your useless FUD which countless times people have
| said is not true.
If you bothered to pay
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:49:57 -0700
Daniel Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In other words:
busybox + single rcS file = fastest and simplest, smallest, best for
very small filesystems, not as flexible
bash + gentoo baselayout = most flexible, biggest, slower, best for
feature-rich systems
On Friday 09 February 2007, Ned Ludd wrote:
baselayout is only about a half of a meg these days and probably
getting smaller/faster with the addition of the multicall rc/runscript
work he has been doing.
Adding bash also requires ncurses which in turn mostly requires having
a c++ aware
He's not going to waste someone else's time, and as he said there will be
compatibility with current configuration files, I don't think there's any
downside to users.
FWIW, speaking as a user, I value stability over speed. But if I have a
promise of stability (i.e. my current configs will
On Wednesday 07 February 2007, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
Another idea; have baselayout install different versions of
init.d/conf.d and default shell for runscript depending on USE flags
that'll just lead to horrible bit rot and code duplication i would think
-mike
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Description:
On Thursday 08 February 2007, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
He's not screwing up anything. He's making changes he wishes as the
author and maintainer of the package. If someone doesn't like it, they
can fork it and maintain their own package. Isn't that just wonderful?
Seriously, Roy can work on
On Wednesday 07 February 2007, Roy Marples wrote:
We still need something that is array like for want of a better
phrase, so how about delimiting using ; like so
config_eth0=10.1.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0; 10.1.1.2/24
if you want to allow one liners, then i dont see any other real option ...
In order to facilitate better ease of use with phase hooks, I propose a
paludis-style default phase hook. Basically ebuild.sh provides a default
hook that looks in PORTAGE_HOOKS_DIR/{pre,post}_${EBUILD_PHASE}/ for shell
scripts and sources them.
The patch to ebuild.sh only generates hooks 1
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