Re: [gentoo-dev] default desktop profile

2007-08-03 Thread Rémi Cardona
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 11:27 +0200, Martin Schwier wrote: +startup-notification Actually, rereading that list, I wouldn't mind adding this one. Gnome and a couple of core Gnome apps hard-depend on it, as I am must sure must be the case in KDE. Samuli also told me that

[gentoo-dev] Bugday tomorrow!

2007-08-03 Thread Peter Weller
Hi, It's bugday tomorrow! This announcement is going out a 'lil early, seeing as I will not be around tomorrow, or for the rest of the week, and most of the team seem to be afk, so I can't poke them too easily, unfortunately. :( (hopefully, they'll be around on the day :P) Anyways, as per usual,

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2.6.22 stable plans

2007-08-03 Thread Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
Donnie Berkholz wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: my point though wasnt to knock ati (although it was fun), the point was that i do not believe any closed source driver in our tree should ever be grounds for preventing stabilization of a kernel ebuild so next time dsd (or whoever the ninja kernel

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2.6.22 stable plans

2007-08-03 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 03 August 2007, Daniel Drake wrote: All that aside, my advice for developers considering maintaining kernel code in portage outside of the kernel still remains as don't do it. Your package grows bugs overnight. It's a continual challenge trying to keep up, and it's a headache for me

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2.6.22 stable plans

2007-08-03 Thread Daniel Drake
Donnie Berkholz wrote: so next time dsd (or whoever the ninja kernel maintainer happens to be at the time) says hey i plan on stabilizing Linux x.y.z and someone goes wait, you cant until we get closed source driver package foo working, the reply is of course blow it out your arse^H^H^H^Htalk

Re: [gentoo-dev] Pending death of mail-filter/spamassassin-ruledujour

2007-08-03 Thread Pierre-Yves Rofes
On Fri, August 3, 2007 2:07 am, Robin H. Johnson wrote: Heya, The upstream rules_du_jour folk have had issues over the last few months with DDoS and other attacks. Additionally, the nature of their original update mechanism causes a lot of traffic. Everybody that is using rules_du_jour is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: archfs - filesystem for rdiff-backup archives

2007-08-03 Thread Filip Gruszczyński
Er it's been pointed out to me that this is a Google SoC project, so apologies for the beginners info. (I'd forgotten your earlier post.) Oh, no problem, I am a beginner after all :-) And I always forget to add project's homepage to the message :-/ BTW I don't recommend autotools (there's a

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2.6.22 stable plans

2007-08-03 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Friday 03 August 2007, Marijn Schouten (hkBst) wrote: Donnie Berkholz wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: my point though wasnt to knock ati (although it was fun), the point was that i do not believe any closed source driver in our tree should ever be grounds for preventing stabilization of a

Re: [gentoo-dev] 2.6.22 stable plans

2007-08-03 Thread Gustavo Zacarias
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Frysinger wrote: so next time dsd (or whoever the ninja kernel maintainer happens to be at the time) says hey i plan on stabilizing Linux x.y.z and someone goes wait, you cant until we get closed source driver package foo working, the reply

Re: [gentoo-dev] default desktop profile

2007-08-03 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 18:53 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 11:27 +0200, Martin Schwier wrote: +ppds (everyone has a printer, and this is needed to configure it without further investigations. cups is already in) +startup-notification

Re: [gentoo-dev] default desktop profile

2007-08-03 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 09:09 +0200, Rémi Cardona wrote: Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 11:27 +0200, Martin Schwier wrote: +startup-notification Actually, rereading that list, I wouldn't mind adding this one. Gnome and a couple of core Gnome apps hard-depend on it, as I am

Re: [gentoo-dev] default desktop profile

2007-08-03 Thread Petteri Räty
Chris Gianelloni kirjoitti: One thing to remember, I do *not* consider our desktop profiles to be opt-in but rather to be a good out-of-box experience for the user. If you want to think of the desktop profiles as bloated, feel free to use the versioned profile (like 2007.0) instead, as it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Pending death of mail-filter/spamassassin-ruledujour

2007-08-03 Thread Drake Wyrm
Pierre-Yves Rofes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, August 3, 2007 2:07 am, Robin H. Johnson wrote: The upstream rules_du_jour folk have had issues over the last few months with DDoS and other attacks. Additionally, the nature of their original update mechanism causes a lot of traffic.

Re: [gentoo-dev] default desktop profile

2007-08-03 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 18:53 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 11:27 +0200, Martin Schwier wrote: +ppds (everyone has a printer, and this is needed to configure it without further investigations. cups is already in)

Re: [gentoo-dev] default desktop profile

2007-08-03 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 14:56 -0500, Andrew Gaffney wrote: Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 18:53 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 11:27 +0200, Martin Schwier wrote: +ppds (everyone has a printer, and this is needed to configure

[gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Chris Gianelloni
More and more, I am finding developers who are afraid to touch packages for even minor things if they're not the maintainer. This is a sad state of affairs and not the reason we have maintainers. We have maintainers to assure that a package is being taken care of, not to establish some kind of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Pending death of mail-filter/spamassassin-ruledujour

2007-08-03 Thread Philipp Riegger
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 12:48 -0700, Drake Wyrm wrote: It's not a vulnerability in Rules du Jour. It's a bunch of spammers attacking the Rules du Jour servers and ISP. SARE has also been down a whole bunch over the last couple of months due to the same attack. Which will probably never happen

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Mike Doty
Chris Gianelloni wrote: [snip] There's a couple more that I wouldn't mind seeing as things developers can do without the maintainer, but I can see how these might be a bit more controversial, so I'm asking for input. - Version bumps where the only requirement is to cp the ebuild This is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Petteri Räty
Chris Gianelloni kirjoitti: More and more, I am finding developers who are afraid to touch packages for even minor things if they're not the maintainer. This is a sad state of affairs and not the reason we have maintainers. We have maintainers to assure that a package is being taken care of,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Philipp Riegger
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 15:06 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: So, what do you guys think? One problem i see is changing versions in the tree but not puting the changes to the wip ebuilds in an overlay or somewhere else. Is there a system to email any changes done to ebuilds maintained by developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Petteri Räty
Philipp Riegger kirjoitti: On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 15:06 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: So, what do you guys think? One problem i see is changing versions in the tree but not puting the changes to the wip ebuilds in an overlay or somewhere else. Is there a system to email any changes done to

Re: [gentoo-dev] default desktop profile

2007-08-03 Thread Roy Marples
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 14:28 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: Of course, the LiveDVD will have everything on it, as it does now. Pretty please for ext4 for the ricers that just *have* to try it and need to recover their systems. It's a good ask as it is *in* the kernel even if marked

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Petteri Räty wrote: Philipp Riegger kirjoitti: On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 15:06 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: So, what do you guys think? One problem i see is changing versions in the tree but not puting the changes to the wip ebuilds in an overlay or somewhere else. Is there a system to email

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Philipp Riegger
On Sat, 2007-08-04 at 01:34 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote: So, what do you guys think? One problem i see is changing versions in the tree but not puting the changes to the wip ebuilds in an overlay or somewhere else. Is there a system to email any changes done to ebuilds maintained by

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 15:19 -0700, Mike Doty wrote: Chris Gianelloni wrote: [snip] There's a couple more that I wouldn't mind seeing as things developers can do without the maintainer, but I can see how these might be a bit more controversial, so I'm asking for input. - Version

Re: [gentoo-dev] Pending death of mail-filter/spamassassin-ruledujour

2007-08-03 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 01:01:11AM +0300, Philipp Riegger wrote: On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 12:48 -0700, Drake Wyrm wrote: It's not a vulnerability in Rules du Jour. It's a bunch of spammers attacking the Rules du Jour servers and ISP. SARE has also been down a whole bunch over the last couple

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Roy Marples
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 15:06 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: More and more, I am finding developers who are afraid to touch packages for even minor things if they're not the maintainer. This is a sad state of affairs and not the reason we have maintainers. We have maintainers to assure that a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sat, 2007-08-04 at 01:23 +0300, Petteri Räty wrote: Chris Gianelloni kirjoitti: More and more, I am finding developers who are afraid to touch packages for even minor things if they're not the maintainer. This is a sad state of affairs and not the reason we have maintainers. We have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Mike Doty
Donnie Berkowitz wrote: Petteri Räty wrote: Philipp Riegger kirjoitti: On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 15:06 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: So, what do you guys think? One problem i see is changing versions in the tree but not puting the changes to the wip ebuilds in an overlay or somewhere else. Is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Mike Doty
Mike Doty wrote: Donnie Berkowitz wrote: Petteri Räty wrote: Philipp Riegger kirjoitti: On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 15:06 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: So, what do you guys think? One problem i see is changing versions in the tree but not puting the changes to the wip ebuilds in an overlay or

Re: [gentoo-dev] default desktop profile

2007-08-03 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 23:39 +0100, Roy Marples wrote: On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 14:28 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: Of course, the LiveDVD will have everything on it, as it does now. Pretty please for ext4 for the ricers that just *have* to try it and need to recover their systems. It's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 04:06:25PM -0700, Mike Doty wrote: We really need to get a -commits mailing list going again. If the subject and/or sender are set appropriately, it should be easy to filter for items of interest. some of us infra types were entertaining a RS feed for this...

Re: [gentoo-dev] default desktop profile

2007-08-03 Thread Roy Marples
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 16:18 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 23:39 +0100, Roy Marples wrote: Pretty please for ext4 for the ricers that just *have* to try it and need to recover their systems. It's a good ask as it is *in* the kernel even if marked experimental. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Some ideas on how to reduce territoriality

2007-08-03 Thread Luis Francisco Araujo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Gianelloni wrote: More and more, I am finding developers who are afraid to touch packages for even minor things if they're not the maintainer. This is a sad state of affairs and not the reason we have maintainers. We have maintainers to

Re: [gentoo-dev] default desktop profile

2007-08-03 Thread Luis Medinas
On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 14:28 -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote: Thanks. I knew there had to be some reason for it, but couldn't remember what it was off the top of my head. Luckily, this won't be much of an issue with the next release, since we're switching to Xfce rather than GNOME to bring the