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2009-05-05 Thread Antonio Quartulli
-- Antonio Quartulli

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Richard Freeman
Markos Chandras wrote: Even a volunteer-driven organization needs some standard rules in order to survive. From time to time this volunteer moto is what some people consider as anarchy As far as survival goes - I think the rumors of Gentoo's death are greatly exaggerated. I certainly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 16:50:47 Richard Freeman wrote: Markos Chandras wrote: Even a volunteer-driven organization needs some standard rules in order to survive. From time to time this volunteer moto is what some people consider as anarchy As far as survival goes - I think the rumors of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Tobias Klausmann
Hi! On Tue, 05 May 2009, Markos Chandras wrote: Arch teams, according to their project pages, are in a good shape. Major arches have enough people ( assuming that the project pages are up2date ) If I keel over and armin76 is stuck in work/'versity, the alpha dev count is 0. Not exactly good,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Thomas Anderson
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 05:06:43PM +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 05 May 2009 16:50:47 Richard Freeman wrote: Arch teams seem to be generally doing a good job keeping up with STABLEREQs on the major archs - if you use a minor arch that isn't as well supported I'm sure we'd be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Sergio D . Rodríguez Inclan
Could be a good idea publish a status of each Gentoo project and see what is needed, so the users/devs can offer some help. -- Sergio D. Rodríguez Inclan - http://srinclan.wordpress.com Linux User #446728 --

[gentoo-dev] Re: Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Duncan
Sergio D. Rodríguez Inclan srinc...@gmail.com posted f01ff58b0905050926o74ddf373l85a1c49a6a32...@mail.gmail.com, excerpted below, on Tue, 05 May 2009 12:26:23 -0400: Could be a good idea publish a status of each Gentoo project and see what is needed, so the users/devs can offer some help.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 19:26:23 Sergio D. Rodríguez Inclan wrote: Could be a good idea publish a status of each Gentoo project and see what is needed, so the users/devs can offer some help. Publish where? Blogs? mailing list? Forums? we dont have a centralized way to inform users about such

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Robert Bridge
Markos Chandras wrote: Some one could say Post it on gentoo.org homepage. I wonder if users ever visit that page to read gentoo news :\ I can safely say that some never do... RobbieAB

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread George Prowse
Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 05 May 2009 19:26:00 Thomas Anderson wrote: On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 05:06:43PM +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 05 May 2009 16:50:47 Richard Freeman wrote: Arch teams seem to be generally doing a good job keeping up with STABLEREQs on the major archs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Mounir Lamouri
Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 05 May 2009 19:26:23 Sergio D. Rodríguez Inclan wrote: Could be a good idea publish a status of each Gentoo project and see what is needed, so the users/devs can offer some help. [snip] Some one could say Post it on gentoo.org homepage. I wonder if

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 19:52:34 George Prowse wrote: Is all this help needed stuff that ordinary users can help out with? If so dont people go and ask for help in the forums? I assume that this recruitment process does not address to every single gentoo user but to those who actually have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 20:03:58 Mounir Lamouri wrote: Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 05 May 2009 19:26:23 Sergio D. Rodríguez Inclan wrote: Could be a good idea publish a status of each Gentoo project and see what is needed, so the users/devs can offer some help. [snip] Some one

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Thomas Sachau
George Prowse schrieb: Thomas Sachau wrote: For those, who can work with IRC and are interested in working with ebuilds, there is already an option: Join #gentoo-dev-help or even better #gentoo-sunrise and read the documentation from the topic. The Sunrise Overlay (with the #gentoo-sunrise

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread George Prowse
Thomas Sachau wrote: George Prowse schrieb: Thomas Sachau wrote: For those, who can work with IRC and are interested in working with ebuilds, there is already an option: Join #gentoo-dev-help or even better #gentoo-sunrise and read the documentation from the topic. The Sunrise Overlay (with

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:08 +0100 George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote: If you make it a big and special occasion which is planned correctly with a sufficient number of current developers who are willing to walk people through how and what it means to be a Gentoo Developer then the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread George Prowse
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:08 +0100 George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote: If you make it a big and special occasion which is planned correctly with a sufficient number of current developers who are willing to walk people through how and what it means to be a Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 05 May 2009 19:11:02 +0100 George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote: That's not how it works -- we know this from last time Gentoo recruited a whole load of people without verifying their abilities. With lots of new developers, what little time skilled developers already have

[gentoo-dev] An Introduction to Gentoo Prefix

2009-05-05 Thread Fabian Groffen
While some of you may have heard of it, we -- the Prefix team -- have the impression that for most developers the Gentoo Prefix project is in general an unknown, hidden and vague project, that primarily generates a lot of commits. Therefore, we have decided to try and explain what Gentoo Prefix

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Roy Bamford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2009.05.05 18:37, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:08 +0100 George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote: If you make it a big and special occasion which is planned correctly [snip] That's not how it works -- we know this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 20:37:24 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 04 May 2009 21:47:08 +0100 George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote: If you make it a big and special occasion which is planned correctly with a sufficient number of current developers who are willing to walk people through

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 5 May 2009 21:19:49 +0300 Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: We surely need more developers. Otherwise we ll end up maintaining 100x500 each one. Just look at the numbers ( total packages/total ACTIVE developers ). So first we need to attract more people. Evaluation and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 05 May 2009 19:19:00 +0100 Roy Bamford neddyseag...@gentoo.org wrote: - From your post, it appears that standards were lowered during the recruitment drive you reference. Not quite. At the time, there weren't really any particular

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Sebastián Ramírez Magrí
El mar, 05-05-2009 a las 18:28 +0100, George Prowse escribió: Thomas Sachau wrote: George Prowse schrieb: Thomas Sachau wrote: For those, who can work with IRC and are interested in working with ebuilds, there is already an option: Join #gentoo-dev-help or even better #gentoo-sunrise

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Sergio D . Rodríguez Inclan
There is already such a place [1] but I think not so much people knows about it. [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/staffing-needs/ Mounir None of the problems mentioned here are present on that page, the information that could be useful is: how many developers are active, which are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread AllenJB
George Prowse wrote: Peter Faraday Weller wrote: Hi Thanks, welp Sad to hear it mate. As the person who did your first install for you (i think) I think you will be missed. I am quite surprised about what you said about the state of things because i've got the distinct impression

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development

2009-05-05 Thread Petteri Räty
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: At the very least, before attempting any mass recruitment, the quiz needs to be lengthened, brought up to date and split into answer these on the spot on IRC without having seen the question before and research allowed questions, and recruiters have to be prepared to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 23:45:14 AllenJB wrote: George Prowse wrote: Peter Faraday Weller wrote: Hi Thanks, welp Sad to hear it mate. As the person who did your first install for you (i think) I think you will be missed. I am quite surprised about what you said about

[gentoo-portage-dev] files in ${FILESDIR}

2009-05-05 Thread Toha
What about this idea: list all files in ${FILESDIR} (patches, init scripts), related to ebuild in this ebuild like: FLS=( some-init-script ${PN}-patch1.patch ${PN}-${PV}-patch2.patch ... ${PN}-patchN.patch ) then using this files by addressing his index in ${FLS} array applying patches with

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] files in ${FILESDIR}

2009-05-05 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 02:26:21 Toha wrote: What about this idea: list all files in ${FILESDIR} (patches, init scripts), related to ebuild in this ebuild like: FLS=( some-init-script ${PN}-patch1.patch ${PN}-${PV}-patch2.patch ... ${PN}-patchN.patch ) then using this files by addressing his

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] Symlinks with distutils

2009-05-05 Thread Douglas Anderson
On May 5, 2009, at 10:37 PM, Michael A. Smith mich...@smith-li.com wrote: In theory, doing symlinks with distutils isn't a big deal, but distutils.core.setup doesn't have the capability built in. (distutils.file_util does, but it's not clear how to trigger that intuitively within