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I've actually been tinkering with this idea for a whole mostly due to
the gross amount of crazy crap that is posted to gentoo-wiki.com ( no
offense to the site which otherwise does a great job ). However I was
under the impression that the docs team
that get killed off
by the council as well as slacker council members?
More things to consider ;)
Alec Warner (antarus)
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to write are internal
portage API docs/FAQ/Howto's, and I doubt you will see users pounding on
the door to read them :)
Alec Warner (antarus)
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I would prefer to keep USE_ORDER for now, since I was going to replace
the auto dict with the default-iuse which means you can choose not
to stack these new flags. Although it may be a hack, we have no better
way of managing use flag stacks at the moment.
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Donnie Berkholz wrote:
Lares Moreau wrote:
Could you post updates once a week(or two), similar to what [EMAIL PROTECTED]
does with the aging ebuilds. I don't feel a play-by-play is necessary.
I will be posting daily updates until it goes
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Sven Köhler wrote:
Hi,
so look at this:
# equery l |grep sun-jdk
dev-java/sun-jdk-1.4.2.10
dev-java/sun-jdk-1.5.0.06-r2
# emerge -up sun-jdk
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating dependencies ...done!
#
there is an exception thrown for kde-base/metadata.xml. I have
nfc what the hell that is doing in package.mask, but I was told it was
already fixed ;)
- -Alec Warner (antarus)
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[2] http://dev.gentoo.org/~ferringb/stale-p.mask.py
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Marius Mauch wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:17:24 -0500
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I figured it was time for a bit of cleaning... I ended up writing a
really crappy script for stable to do a check of whether package.mask
entries were
Marcus D. Hanwell wrote:
On Tuesday 24 January 2006 14:17, Alec Warner wrote:
I figured it was time for a bit of cleaning... I ended up writing a
really crappy script for stable to do a check of whether package.mask
entries were really referencing anything or not. Luckily Brian was able
don't believe this to be the case here, I
just don't want to see it become commonplace ;)
Alec Warner (antarus)
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, because guess what, the base system is already installed!
If openSSL depends on perl and perl depends on openSSL, who cares,
they are both installed, not a problem!
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There are a couple of bugs against repoman that request repoman detect
and do things for the developer. The two cases are:
repoman does not auto-commit new license files[1]
repoman should cvs add files/ if it isn't already[2]
I personally am
Marcelo Góes wrote:
It seems there are some ebuilds with a logrotate USE flag:
snip
Perhaps it should be a global USE flag?
We have discussed this fairly recently[1] so I'll post the link to
save everyone the hassle.
[1] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=gentoo-devw=2r=1s=logrotateq=b
I've been having a crapton of problems with sending to this list, just
making sure I got them all resolved :)
Sorry for the Spam
-Alec Warner
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this, is my point ;)
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Grobian wrote:
Please find attached GLEP 47: Creating 'safe' environment variables.
The GLEP is a Gentoo/Alt initiative. Constructive comments are welcome.
The variables ``ELIBC``, ``KERNEL`` and ``ARCH`` are currently set in
the profiles when other than their defaults for a GNU/Linux
issues? ).
If anyone has any reason to keep dopython around please voice your
concerns now, as we will probably be killing it in the next bump of 2.1
-Alec Warner
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just covered your ass, in terms of people going
where the hell did that come from?
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agreement on all sides :)
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last rites e-mail. It will be punted in 30 days.
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:15:13 -0500 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| bbapm has been masked due to no one responding with anything useful to
| last rites e-mail. It will be punted in 30 days.
No no no. Do this properly. Clean up *all* the broken blackbox applets
, because
as far as I'm aware there is no workaround present.
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if [ ${IS_UPGRADE} = 1 ] ; then
einfo Removing old version ${REMOVE_PKG}
emerge -C ${REMOVE_PKG}
fi
Semantics of the logic aside, calling emerge from within an ebuild is a
BIG nono.
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Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Tuesday 28 February 2006 16:02, Jakub Moc wrote:
28.2.2006, 21:39:43, Mike Frysinger wrote:
whats your point ? if an ebuild author wants to control the SLOT, then
they should be able to without having an invalid warning issued on the
subject
considering the nature of
Mark Loeser wrote:
Here is my updated version after some feedback from people:
* In the case of disagreement on policy among QA members, the majority
of established QA members must agree with the action.
What is an Established QA member?
I guess this won't be reviewed by the council
No they won't, but elog in portage-2.1 will gladly send them a message
via whatever configuration they have about the warning that the ebuild
produced.
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Michael Renner wrote:
Hi,
as suggested by Mike in http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123335,
here's my proposal for changing the layout of the distfiles tree:
Introducing an additional directory hierarchy should fix this, and is
the common solution for this problem for various
it
with that information it can at least die during depgraph creation
stating what the problem is with the depgraph ( getting closer to having
actaul buildplans... ).
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Michael Renner wrote:
Kurt Lieber wrote:
If we can come up with a seamless, painless transition process, great,
let's make it happen.
From the _MIRROR_-side using hardlinks should be fine enough, we'd just
have to ensure that every mirror uses -H (preserve hardlinks). And for
the
not be special cased in a mapping since. URI's
are URI's are URI's...
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team, so while it's a powerful
tool for some users, it's also quite volatile in terms of how it is
sourced. It should not be depended on.
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='x86-fbsd' - would get forcefully injected into USE, OR
use.force: x86-fbsd - a use flag that isn't killed by -*.
Whatever the fix is we should be able to make a 2.0.54-r1 release with
it, still need to talk to Zac, if anyone has any comments on this, now
would be the time ;)
-Alec Warner
Stephen Bennett wrote:
On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 10:20:33 -0500
Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Basically portage expands $ARCH into use ( so
x86-fbsd has ARCH x86, and would get x86 in use, which IMHO, isn't
that horrible ). However, you also don't get x86-fbsd shoved into
USE, so you have
or that there
were no QA warnings when there should have been...etc..
-Other ideas are always welcome; I'd prefer to get this solved soon.
-Alec Warner
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m h wrote:
I'm not a gentoo dev (just a satisfied user), but I lurk on this list.
I was at PyCon last month. I would estimate that about 40% of the
people there ran linux on their laptops. The most popular distros
were gentoo and ubuntu. (Not this is not a scientific study, just my
Stefan Schweizer wrote:
On 3/24/06, Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thoughts on ideas on this somewhat more focussed idea? ( or at least I
think it's more focused :P )
IMO motivation b) is not taken into account enough.
You are missing out a general-user-overlay, where
. This doesn't mean don't tell anyone about it
so that no one shows up. It means interested users will probably
inquire about helping out, etc...and can be granted access fairly easily.
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Stuart Herbert wrote:
Thanks for the summary. I think that's a fair assessment of where we are at.
The offered software will be trac, svn, and moinmoin. I'm going to
look at darcs, and with the help of the haskell team and infra
determine if we can support it or not. No-one has expressed
Ingo Bormuth wrote:
Hi dev-list,
what is the rule concerning when to introduce new virtuals?
I created an ebuild for metaocaml which is a real drop in replacement for
the ocaml programming language allowing for metaprogramming and dynamic
linking. Metaocaml in fact is a patched version of
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 18:26:27 +0100 Stephen Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
| We have a fair number of packages in the tree (57 someone said, but a
| non-trivial number) which depend upon sys-apps/acl for ACL support.
| Since the packages needed for this differ between
packages to not build, and the dependency tree
to essentially be broken for that list.
Also, portage questions are generally well received at
gentoo-portage-dev@gentoo.org, or on IRC: irc.freenode.net #gentoo-portage.
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answers could be starting
point for new chunks to add to the official or unofficial handbooks.
--
TGL.
+1, plus the ML is archived unlike IRC, and users can search archives
and we could more easily compile a FAQ about ebuild writing and such.
-Alec Warner
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Simon Stelling wrote:
Graham Murray wrote:
Fabian Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What I'd like portage do to is to create a symlink to the latest version
of a package's documentation. Just omitting the version number would of
course not work as slotted packages may have multiple versions
to use your profile. Your profile is a tool that should
be useful to all classes of users.
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Donnie Berkholz wrote:
Simon Stelling wrote:
Donnie Berkholz wrote:
We are working to ensure the dependencies work as smoothly as possible,
but I expect there will be some issues since it's difficult to require
updates to all these optional drivers following an update to the server.
Donnie Berkholz wrote:
Olivier Crête wrote:
On Mon, 2006-17-04 at 13:05 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
Alec Warner wrote:
Well the semantics of the blocker is that the new driver won't work
with the old server; is that true? Or just the old drivers won't
work with the new server?
New
A valid problem with this approach. Is requiring everyone to unmerge
drivers a worse solution than breaking some people who emerged drivers
directly?
I very much dislike making people unmerge things. It's not intuitive
for anyone, having to remove the old program to upgrade a dependency
Philipp Riegger wrote:
On Apr 15, 2006, at 6:10 PM, Duncan wrote:
But i really think this is not about helping but about confusion. If i
post my emerge --info you don't know if i really use confcache even
if i
have FEATURES=confcache, because emerge --info does not say if i have
emerged
Alin Nastac wrote:
Lets say a package foo depends on bar, both at compile time and run time.
Shouldn't DEPEND _and_ RDEPEND of the foo package reflect that
dependency? I usually set DEPEND=$RDEPEND ... or vice-versa (depending
on which is the most demanding). Am I utterly wrong here?
I know
As many of you know by now, Gentoo has been chosen to fill one of the
last spaces in this year's Google Summer of Code. This is a great
opportunity for developers and users to interact and help out Gentoo as
well as the OSS community.
For those of you who haven't heard of Google's Summer of
Alec Warner wrote:
But
anyone who is a Gentoo developer can mentor a Student on one of the
projects for which Gentoo is the Mentoring Organization.
I had four people proofread and I still screwed up. Once again, ANYONE
is eligible to Mentor a student on behalf of Gentoo. If you
Ryan Phillips wrote:
This is a follow up to Mark's (halcy0n's) thread regarding QA Policies and
seemant's letter on herds, teams, and projects.
I believe the way Gentoo is doing things is broken. There I have said it.
The
entire project has reached a level of being too political and
it for pkgcore, so I'll fire that up as well.
I haven't looked at mercurial but it is on the list ;)
-Alec Warner
Mercurial should use a bit less disk and git should be a little faster
and with better merge/conflict resolution features.
lu
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In an attempt to receive more comments and to request comments on the
virtual/config-manager, I have forwarded this mail here. Please comment
+ point out weird things wrong. I'd prefer to make either dispatch-conf
or cfg-update the default for the virtual, but I am definately open to
On Wednesday 10 May 2006 01:26 pm, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 10 May 2006 10:13:36 -0700 Donnie Berkholz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| On Wed, 10 May 2006 00:07:29 -0700 Donnie Berkholz
|
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| | so discussion with at least the portage
are commiting then; do you have a
link?
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from it.
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Paul de Vrieze wrote:
The promissed glep on package manager requirements. Please comment on it.
There are some parts that may be controversial (portage has in the past not
provided support for reverting to stable either), but please keep the
discussion on topic.
Paul
s/primary/official/g
.
/example
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I've taken the liberty of cleaning out some of pmask.
Pretty much anything pre-2004 that covers stuff that isn't in the tree.
Removed:
Bug 43658 is closed, we only have ebuilds for 1.2.10
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] (03 Mar 2004)
# security problems. see bug #43658.
net-ftp/proftpd-1.2.9
Removed from
This guy is a security nightmare and has been masked on and off for
security vulnerabilities[1] for the last two years. If no one objects I
will punt it from the tree in 30 days.
[1]http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70090
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Francesco Riosa wrote:
Both dev-db/xmysqladmin and dev-db/mysqlnavigator has no active homepage.
Both need to be patched to compile agains mysql-4.1.10a (avoiding
OLD_FUNCTIONS workaround).
expecially xmysqladmin seems to be unsupported anymore.
It's possible to remove them from portage
powerd has an open security vulnerability [1] and no maintainer.
Someone can claim it in the next 30 days or I will punt it then.
[1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70373
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sys-fs/convertfs has an open bug [1] and is seeking a maintainer, if
none is found I will punt it in 30 days, per the usual.
-Antarus
[1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107635
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Stuart Herbert wrote:
Hi,
The dev-util/perforce packages:
- dev-util/perforce
- dev-util/perforce-cli
- dev-util/perforce-gui
- dev-util/perforce-proxy
- dev-util/perforce-server
are in need of a new maintainer. If no-one volunteers in time, the
packages will be masked Saturday 8th
Good candidate for last rites...
- SRC_URI dead, so this only lives on Gentoo mirrors
- no maintainer, this bug[1] has been sitting here for 2 1/2 years
So without further ado, pmasked for 30 days pending removal.
[1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32672
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So we created this awesome alias to put ebuilds that need a maintainer.
Good idea at the time, decent idea still. The problem? We have nearly
2000 open bugs assigned to maintainer-wanted[1]. I would like to
discuss policy on these. Do we keep them, do we get a group of people
to slowly review
ipkg-utils was maintained by tigger who is no longer a dev. As far as
tigger/solar are aware there is no reason to keep it in the tree. It
will be pmask'd and punted in 30 days at their request.
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Stephen Bennett wrote:
On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:48:39 +0200
Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The problem is actually that such a document is a living thing and it
must not only exist initially but be maintained continuously.
Must it? I'd be more inclined to say that if it needs to
everyone using the package to see the
masking message and the corresponding bug when they use portage.
Questions and Comments are welcome, as always.
-Alec Warner
[1] http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/
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Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
On Sunday 04 June 2006 14:56, Mike Frysinger wrote:
what about TV_CAPTURE_CARDS
You got it quite wrong, it's not about the TV cards :)
It's about TV guide grabbers.
TV_GUIDE_GRABBERS
see that was easy ;)
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Slipping this in before 2.1 goes stable, it's a small check.
Basically if your ebuild inherits a VCS eclass ( currently darcs,
subversion, cvs ) AND your ebuild has stable keywords on any arches
repoman will report an error.
One thing to note here:
Are there any cases when one inherits a
Harald van Dijk wrote:
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 02:24:24AM -0700, Brian Harring wrote:
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 11:14:45AM +0200, Harald van Dijk wrote:
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 01:54:08AM -0700, Brian Harring wrote:
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 10:19:41AM +0200, Harald van Dijk wrote:
On Mon, Jun
Peter Volkov (pva) wrote:
On Втр, 2006-06-06 at 00:17 +0200, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
That's why we use a SCM for managing the ebuilds: the removed ebuilds
are still found via cvs commands and on sources.gentoo.org
But how can I search for removed ebuild in cvs? Is there any quick
Grant Goodyear wrote:
Zac Medico wrote: [Wed Jun 07 2006, 01:30:38PM CDT]
Mike Frysinger wrote:
this is a *huge* con ... developers are lazy, *i'm* lazy ... i
certainly do not want to go through every single package i maintain
and add 'debug-build' to IUSE or 'inherit some-new-eclass'
Ned Ludd wrote:
On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 16:05 -0400, Alec Warner wrote:
We've discussed this multiple times, and it's always been the conclusion
that per package.env should go in bashrc, as bashrc is generally more
powerful than anything we could devise. The only downside afaik, for
bashrc
Matteo Azzali wrote:
This is just a mine question, but it seems that since gcc-4.1 got it's
way into portage (~branch) things are getting slower.
Lots of the bugs blocking bug #117482 -
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117482 - have a patch in the report
or an ebuild for revision bump,
Ned Ludd wrote:
On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 06:49 -0400, Alec Warner wrote:
Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Wednesday 07 June 2006 19:12, Alec Warner wrote:
I would be more concerned with convincing the rest of the developers.
adding crap in base profile.bashrc will affect 99% of users, so it
better
Jon Portnoy wrote:
On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 09:32:13AM -0400, Thomas Cort wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:20:18 -0400
Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please keep the games bugs in bugzilla. Making this change is a direct
change in games team policy without any prior notice to the
Grant Goodyear wrote:
Stefan Schweizer wrote: [Wed Jun 07 2006, 07:42:03PM CDT]
Initially jokey and myself will be working on this. The current focus is to
migrate ebuilds from bugzilla into the overlay and to get contributors to
commit their changes to the overlay instead of updating the
Why? Because having two year old bugs is simply inexcusable. Especially
when many have not had any activity for a long time. Having
maintainer-wanted bugs for months on end is silly. Giving a user who files
a ebuild request or submits an ebuild deserves the chance to take
ownership of it. It's a
Roy Marples wrote:
Some packages provide both a client and a server. As such, users usually only
want one or the other - and rarely both.
A good candidate is net-misc/dhcp as it installs a DHCP client and server.
Which makes no sense really, so I'd like to put some USE flags here to show
Portage-2.1 final is released,
RELEASE-NOTES[1]
NEWS[2]
BUGS-FIXED[3]
STABLIZING BUG[4]
[1]http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/portage/main/trunk/RELEASE-NOTES?view=markup
[2]http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/portage/main/trunk/NEWS?view=markup
Wernfried Haas wrote:
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 12:12:31PM -0400, Alec Warner wrote:
Portage-2.1 final is released,
Congrats to the portage team!
While i'm at it, may i ask which files are affected by these changes /
which docs i missed to read?
* config files as directories enabling more
Roy Marples wrote:
On Friday 09 June 2006 23:34, Mike Frysinger wrote:
On Friday 09 June 2006 16:35, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
This is the official (hehe) request for comments on making a policy of
how to handle ebuilds than can be used for either client or server and
how to allow for building
Lack of content and poorly written or incorrect articles are often
justified by the GWN team on grounds of overwork and insufficient
manpower. When I asked why they were not recruiting, I was informed that
no-one has any interest in contributing.
There's a big difference between one-off
Donnie Berkholz wrote:
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote:
On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 01:13:36PM +0100, Christel Dahlskjaer wrote:
To take an example, there were made up quotes in my GWN interview,
however, nothing of great harm. I believe that time it was a case of
attempting to make it more fun, it
Stephen Bennett wrote:
Since GLEP 42's original author and sponsor has left the project, I've
taken it over, and would like to have another go at getting it
implemented. I've just updated the version in CVS[1], which should be
making its way onto the www nodes, but with any luck the full text
Daniel Ostrow wrote:
On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 19:04 -0400, Luis Francisco Araujo wrote:
Stephen Bennett wrote:
Continuing in the series of issues raised during the previous package
manager discussions, I'd like to continue by mentioning the tree
format. At present, it isn't defined beyond what
Jonathan Adamczewski wrote:
Molle Bestefich wrote:
Hi
Follow-up question to the backup thingy.
Is there an easy way to share Portage's database between multiple
virtual machines?
Optimally, I would emerge --sync and the results would land in a
filesystem that I'd share between VMs, so I
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 14:42, Alec Warner wrote:
* autouse (use.defaults) has been deprecated by specifying USE_ORDER in
make.defaults. Users may still turn this back on by specifying
USE_ORDER=env:pkg:conf:auto:defaults in make.conf. Interested in
figuring out
Henrik Brix Andersen wrote:
On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 09:18:57AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
I would have *no problem* with an opt-in system. Instead of using
InOverlay (which is a poor choice anyway... which overlay?) as some
sort of tag, instead, assign the package to the project which
Peter wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:59:12 -0400, Alec Warner wrote:
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 14:42, Alec Warner wrote:
* autouse (use.defaults) has been deprecated by specifying USE_ORDER in
make.defaults. Users may still turn this back on by specifying
So apparently they suck, anyone have a new shiny idea on how to group
packages and maintaining developers?
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Duncan wrote:
Joshua Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:39:06 -0500:
I have written documentation on switching to the new system, from the
user's perspective, over at our wiki [6]
[6]
Portage currently exports $KV as the current kernel version. We detect
this by attempting to mess around with the things in /usr/src/linux
(.config, make files, etc...)
This is duplicating the superb efforts of the kernel team and of
linux-info eclass. As such I would like to deprecate $KV
Georgi Georgiev wrote:
maillog: 19/06/2006-11:13:33(+): Alec Warner types
Portage currently exports $KV as the current kernel version. We detect
this by attempting to mess around with the things in /usr/src/linux
(.config, make files, etc...)
This is duplicating the superb efforts
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Tobias Klausmann wrote:
Hi!
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, Caleb Tennis wrote:
I'd like to propose some form of ability to post user comments
to GWN stories. I suppose a full blown CMS system would work,
but for the ease of time I'm suggesting that
Scotty has been pmasked due to sandbox violations[1].
I spent about 30 minutes looking at them and solving them is not as
simple as I'd first hoped, I asked trelane to double check my logic and
he came to a similar conclusion. As such with no maintainer or herd
this package is scheduled for
Joshua Jackson wrote:
What no! not scotty. Who's going to beam us all up now and repair the
ship in half the time that he says it'll take!
vapier?
Alec Warner wrote:
Scotty has been pmasked due to sandbox violations[1].
I spent about 30 minutes looking at them and solving them
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