Re: [gentoo-dev] ChangeLogs and rsync time

2006-01-03 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Jan 01, 2006 at 10:48:18PM +0100, Grobian wrote: On 01-01-2006 21:35:34 +0100, Francesco Riosa wrote with possible deletions: 1) bzip2 them in some way. 4) compress Changelog entries where possible Anyone gathered transfer stats for rsync without --whole-file? compression won't play

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-04 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 10:05:52PM -0800, Corey Shields wrote: Where is the centralized vision that everyone is working together here that people not directly related to each project will buy in to and therefore do what they can to see it succeed? We've had centralized visions for a long

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 (news) Round Seven

2006-01-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 03:11:38PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Nerry there now... Changes: * Due to overwhelming demand (it's the thing in this GLEP that has generated least contention!), spaces are not allowed in repository names. +1 on this revision, although I demand a pony.

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 11:52:22PM -0500, Andrew Muraco wrote: noticed something that doesn't make any sense: Andrew Muraco wrote: - the existing portage code would consider +arch as a subset of arch, the reason both keywords will exist is to maintain compatibility with older versions

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 11:42:36PM -0500, Andrew Muraco wrote: Anyways, I would personally like to see if this can stir some interest. I would be willing to help test and help make this GLEP a reality, however I can not implement this myself as I lack python skills, but I do want to help

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 09:27:23AM -0600, Lance Albertson wrote: Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 02:36 -0700, Duncan wrote: OTOH, it's entirely possible a Gentoo /based/ enterprise distribution may emerge at some point. IMO, however, there's enough conflict with what makes

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 10:05:49AM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 09:00 +, Chris Bainbridge wrote: On 06/01/06, Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably better to iron out what y'all actually need and what the dev community is willing to put up

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 19: Gentoo Stable Portage Tree -- ideas

2006-01-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 10:55:50AM -0600, Lance Albertson wrote: A few rough ideas that just popped in my head is either packing all of these versions into one tarball (not even sure if thats feasible) Ugly, binpkgs are bzip2ed tarballs + xpak at the end of the bzip2 stream, jamming multiple

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and simple guides

2006-01-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 11:30:16PM +, Stuart Herbert wrote: On Sun, 2006-01-08 at 12:54 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote: We could start a public wiki displaying all herds and projects. It would be great to add some low level docs, herds/project goals, ideas and so. Even the users could

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ca-certificates PDEPEND

2006-01-09 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 05:28:04PM +0100, Andrea Barisani wrote: On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 05:21:42PM +0100, Jakub Moc wrote: 9.1.2006, 17:12:31, Andrea Barisani wrote: On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 11:08:38AM -0500, solar wrote: Do you think the PDEPEND of the ca-certs should be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and simple guides

2006-01-09 Thread Brian Harring
Sending this to the ml, tom already has heard the reasons but throwing them out for others to comment on... On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 04:47:57PM +, Tom Martin wrote: I realize this doesn't address the *rest* of what you said, though... snip These little 'howtos' are potentially very

Re: [gentoo-dev] /sbin /usr/sbin security hole

2006-01-17 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 02:17:50PM +0100, Paweł Madej wrote: Hello, Today i've noticed that common user do not have /sbin and /usr/sbin dirs in their PATH but they can start all the tasks from that directories for example on server machine someone could make /sbin/shutdown and turn the

Re: Environement categories (was Re: [gentoo-dev] fix binary debug support, part elevenity billion 1/2)

2006-01-24 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 08:06:12PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tuesday 24 January 2006 01:44, Brian Harring wrote: Might I suggest this one just get shelved for a while? everything that gets shelved portage way stays that way for *quite* a while If people don't give a damn about it, yes

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking modular X

2006-01-25 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 08:27:22PM +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Wednesday 25 January 2006 18:10, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Jason Stubbs wrote: DEPEND=x11-base/xorg-x11 # wrong DEPEND=virtual/x11# wrong DEPEND=|| ( x11? ( virtual/x11 ) )# wrong

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking modular X

2006-01-25 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 09:18:28PM +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Wednesday 25 January 2006 20:46, Brian Harring wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 08:27:22PM +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Wednesday 25 January 2006 18:10, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Jason Stubbs wrote: DEPEND=x11-base/xorg

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking modular X

2006-01-26 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 06:06:02PM +0900, Jason Stubbs wrote: On Wednesday 25 January 2006 17:43, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Jason Stubbs wrote: I'm not exactly sure what you mean by broken in the first paragraph nor how a check can help with unmaintained (=no commits, no?) packages, but

[gentoo-dev] New Dev: antarus (Alec Warner)

2006-02-04 Thread Brian Harring
Hola all- We've got a new portage dev; Alec Warner, aka antarus- aside from doc work, he'll be doing repoman work and the usual random bug squashing. His words- I work at The Division of Engineering Computing Services at Michigan State University. I serve primarily as an undergraduate web

[gentoo-dev] New Dev: zmedico (Zac Medico)

2006-02-04 Thread Brian Harring
Hola all- Well looky here, we've got another new portage dev to report- Zac Medico (zmedico). Areas of focus thus far are general stable work, and work on the rewrite (you can thank him and marienz for the test framework work). Additionally, Zac is the maintainer of two external projects-

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-16 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 04:15:49PM +0100, Stephen Bennett wrote: If noone has any strong reasonable objections, I'd like to add a Paludis profile to the tree. This would use Paludis as the default provider for virtual/portage (which is a less than ideal name, but that is another discussion

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-16 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 05:47:42PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 16 May 2006 09:16:18 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | 1) changes to the eapi=0 ebuild standard; renaming of vars | (PORTAGE_* - PALUDIS_* namely) What eapi=0 standard? We emulate Portage internals where

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-16 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Jun 13, 2006 at 06:28:41PM +0100, Stephen Bennett wrote: Brian Harring wrote: The gain of the profile is that you can do a few new tricks for folks doing boostrapping experiments- why not just introduce an ebuild that sets up the new profile in a temp overlay? No, the gain

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-16 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 07:07:05PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 16 May 2006 10:33:56 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | What eapi=0 standard? We emulate Portage internals where it's found | to be necessary, and don't otherwise. | | eapi=0 is what 2.1/2.05x supports

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-16 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 03:56:38PM -0700, Brian Harring wrote: If your parent parsing implementation handled N parents on a single line (rather then parent per line as you do now), portage would explode rather then silently use the left most. Your implementation isn't doing that however

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-17 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 12:11:34PM +0100, Stephen Bennett wrote: On Wed, 17 May 2006 12:14:37 +0200 Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using the normal profiles would also establish paludis as a possible replacement of portage as primary package manager. Refraining from doing so

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-17 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 02:57:05PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 17 May 2006 12:04:33 +0200 Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | - Paludis must be able to handle a standard portage /var/db/pkg tree. | This means that paludis can read it, and write it. Enabling mixing | portage

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-17 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 04:26:28PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 17 May 2006 17:11:04 +0200 Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Let me clarify my statement. I don't care about candy spinners. | Paludis (or any other package manager that is to be integrated into | gentoo) should

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-17 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 05:32:38PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 17 May 2006 11:23:19 +0200 Wernfried Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | We really should figure that stuff out before we start integrating an | externally written package manager we have no influence on whatsoever How

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-17 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 07:44:16PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 17 May 2006 11:13:09 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Paludis can read a Portage-generated VDB. Portage can't read a | Paludis-generated VDB, because Paludis has more features. | | What features

Re: [gentoo-dev] Paludis and Profiles

2006-05-17 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 08:50:32PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 17 May 2006 12:06:09 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Clarify on virtuals please. Unless you're mangling the data for | sym/dir, that's an unmerge time decision (as such it's not vdb data | specific

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: GLEP 49 - Package manager requirements

2006-05-20 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 12:10:40PM +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote: Just two points: - standards should not be set by the primary package manager - the primary package manager does not have to be developed by Gentoo. More about it below: maillog: 20/05/2006-14:54:18(+0200): Paul de Vrieze

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 49 - take 2

2006-05-22 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 11:54:25AM -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote: Am I missing something obvious? -g2boojum- Probably just the blatant Ciaran hate, and the realization that people will have to suck it up and deal with him if his package manager ever becomes official for Gentoo. Who

Re: [gentoo-dev] Security/QA Spring Cleaning

2006-05-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 04:22:30PM -0400, Ned Ludd wrote: And now per arch breakdowns. http://gentooexperimental.org/~ferringb/reports/arch-vulnerabilities/ Couple more reports generated (in the parent dir, dropped keywords, imlate, packages that have just ~arch, ebuild metadata verification,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Security/QA Spring Cleaning

2006-05-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 04:51:06PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 16:22 -0400, Ned Ludd wrote: And now per arch breakdowns. http://gentooexperimental.org/~ferringb/reports/arch-vulnerabilities/ No offense, but that isn't exactly useful in its current form. For

Re: [gentoo-dev] Security/QA Spring Cleaning

2006-05-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 05:46:09PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: I completely understand this. However, in most cases the reason the older packages are still in the tree is because *somebody* doesn't have it stable yet. Strictly stable, or unstable? What about profiles, which to account

Re: [gentoo-dev] Security/QA Spring Cleaning

2006-05-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 06:24:31PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Tue, 2006-05-23 at 15:05 -0700, Brian Harring wrote: On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 05:46:09PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: I completely understand this. However, in most cases the reason the older packages are still

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 27 Proposal - Feedback Requested

2006-05-30 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:14:01AM +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote: Hello Mike, Am Dienstag, 30. Mai 2006 05:29 schrieb Mike Kelly: I'm Mike Kelly, one of the SoC-ers. I'll be working on GLEP 27 for the summer. Right now I'm looking for some basic feedback on my proposal. In particular, I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for June

2006-06-01 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 03:00:13PM -0500, Grant Goodyear wrote: Paul de Vrieze wrote: [Thu Jun 01 2006, 02:44:39PM CDT] I would like the council to discuss GLEP 49 as has been discussed on the list some weeks ago. It is about the package manager requirements. Incidentally, I drafted a

Re: [gentoo-dev] new repoman check

2006-06-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 10:19:41AM +0200, Harald van Dijk wrote: On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 03:45:50AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday 05 June 2006 02:07, Harald van Dijk wrote: Some gnustep stuff inherits cvs, but uses -D in the cvs options to always download exactly the same thing.

Re: [gentoo-dev] new repoman check

2006-06-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 11:14:45AM +0200, Harald van Dijk wrote: On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 01:54:08AM -0700, Brian Harring wrote: On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 10:19:41AM +0200, Harald van Dijk wrote: On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 03:45:50AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday 05 June 2006 02:07

[gentoo-dev] fix binary debug support, part elevenity billion + 1

2006-06-07 Thread Brian Harring
Resurrecting this issue (yet another round) since FEATURES=debug-build was shoved in... Background info- http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/35202/focus=35212 Quick summary, there needs to be an easy way to flag on essentially leave the symbols intact/don't mangle the code too

Re: [gentoo-dev] herds.xml

2006-06-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 02:54:08AM +0200, Ioannis Aslanidis wrote: On 6/9/06, Grant Goodyear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, what would people think of moving herds.xml from gentoo/misc into the portage tree, with the rationale being that local tools could use that information for various useful

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification

2006-06-09 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 08:16:32AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 02:49 +0200, Markus Ullmann wrote: This is a bug for an ebuild that the user does not think is related to the pam_skey. Go back and read what I wrote. it was agreed upon that we don't keep

Re: [gentoo-dev] herds.xml

2006-06-10 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 05:08:23PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 16:19 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 08 June 2006 21:08, Brian Harring wrote: One additional to this- the location for the file in the tree *should* be metadata/ - shoving it into profiles

Re: [gentoo-dev] Profiles Part 2

2006-06-12 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:58:01PM +0100, Stephen Bennett wrote: Many things were discussed in the last round of this thread (Paludis and Profiles, in case anyone missed it), and many useful points raised. One of these, which seems to have been largely missed in amongst the other noise, forms

Re: [gentoo-dev] herds.xml

2006-06-12 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Jun 13, 2006 at 11:49:58AM +1000, Daniel wrote: On Sunday 11 June 2006 12:50, Brian Harring wrote: On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 05:08:23PM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 16:19 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 08 June 2006 21:08, Brian Harring wrote

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 09:00:29AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 18:34 +0300, Marius Mauch wrote: Patrick McLean schrieb: I have absolutely zero experience with catalyst, but couldn't it be made to create a source CD ISO when it is generating the binary one? Just

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 08:38:42AM -0500, Lance Albertson wrote: Brian Harring wrote: On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 09:00:29AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 18:34 +0300, Marius Mauch wrote: Patrick McLean schrieb: I have absolutely zero experience with catalyst

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: GPL and Source code providing

2006-07-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Jul 05, 2006 at 10:04:08AM -0500, Lance Albertson wrote: Brian Harring wrote: don't see why we need to have a public system setup as long as we can provide the source when asked. As far as a I know, the GPL doesn't dicate that we have to provide the sources in an internet media

Re: [gentoo-dev] Replacing cpu-feature USE flags

2006-07-07 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 02:24:49PM +0200, Martin Schlemmer wrote: On Fri, 2006-07-07 at 02:08 +0200, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote: On Friday 07 July 2006 01:54, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | No, we never spent years telling them not to use your so-called | CFLAGS hacks that are rather a

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk's X use flag

2006-07-13 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 04:31:52PM -0700, Tuan Van wrote: Jakub Moc wrote: Ser Gio wrote: Hello, Why does x11-libs/gtk+-2.8.19 has the X useflag? The ebuild doesn't look like it's using it. thanks, Sérgio Because virtualx.eclass has it in IUSE and the ebuild inherits it.

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category: net-voip

2006-07-20 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 09:05:03AM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:15:38 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:57:32 +0200 Kevin F. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Things that package moves cause: | 1) Dependencies throughout the

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category: net-voip

2006-07-20 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 08:41:46PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:37:47 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 09:05:03AM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:15:38 +0100 Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: [gentoo-dev] Einput eclass

2006-07-20 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 09:39:14PM +0200, Luca Longinotti wrote: John Jawed wrote: Below is a link to an enhanced input eclass as well as a screenshot. This eclass was made to simplify interacting with the user at pkg_config(). This is a good idea imo, it could really simplify and help

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category: net-voip

2006-07-21 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Jul 21, 2006 at 08:44:35AM +0100, Stuart Herbert wrote: In fact, categories do not give us the complete ability to have two packages with the same upstream name in the tree ... because binary packages do not support category names at all. B. They do actually- the bintree

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category: net-voip

2006-07-22 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Jul 22, 2006 at 06:04:10PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:05:20 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately the category system is deeply embedded in portage and the tree, so changing that system is simply not going to happen, which is why

Re: [gentoo-dev] New category: net-voip

2006-07-24 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 02:47:46PM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:19:28 +0100 Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just adding an alias into a second category makes the tree more of a mess - not less. The alias, once setup, can be left alone forever. As far as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-01 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 02:24:17AM +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Monday 31 July 2006 07:05, Seemant Kulleen wrote: OK, let's start with: what exactly is the problem? 1) Please reread my replies in the first sunrise thread. Points are: 1) no security, Suggest you read their responses, and

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Brian Harring
appreciate, if you would try to have a controversial discussion, without starting to loose your manners. And I'd appreciate a less condescending tone. On Wednesday 02 August 2006 03:39, Brian Harring wrote: 1) no security, Suggest you read their responses, and look into some of their material

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:27:04PM -0500, Lance Albertson wrote: Brian Harring wrote: On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 08:05:15PM +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote: Local overlays are fine as the user exactly knows what he does in his private overlay (and hopefully follows eclass changes

Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal for advanced useflag-syntax

2006-08-04 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 09:54:18AM +0200, Simon Stelling wrote: Enrico Weigelt wrote: For example: mplayer It has it's gui-less player and an gtk-based frontend in one package. We should split this into two packages: mplayer and gmplayer. The chances to get this done in the upstream *before*

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.force as a complement to use.mask in profiles

2006-08-07 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 08:31:55PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: Donnie Berkholz wrote: I read the portage-dev discussion, and I'm still not seeing how this is superior to make.defaults. The difference with use.force is that it prevents flags, that are deemed extremely important, from being

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.force as a complement to use.mask in profiles

2006-08-07 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 09:57:39PM -0700, Ryan Tandy wrote: Peter Gordon wrote: Zac Medico wrote: The difference with use.force is that it prevents flags, that are deemed extremely important, from being accidentally disabled by the user. If they were so extremely important then they would

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.force as a complement to use.mask in profiles

2006-08-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 07:23:31AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:41:39 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | The use.force feature is complementary to use.mask. It's exactly | the same concept, but inverted. | | And both files _should_ be implemented via

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.force as a complement to use.mask in profiles

2006-08-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 08:33:51AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:22:50 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 07:23:31AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:41:39 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wrote

Re: [gentoo-dev] client+server packages - build which one?

2006-08-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 11:11:59AM +0100, Roy Marples wrote: On Tuesday 08 August 2006 09:56, Enrico Weigelt wrote: If you want an dhcp client, install dhcp-client, if you want an dhcp server, install dhcp-server. Could it be simpler ? Maybe you missed the part of the discussion where we

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.force as a complement to use.mask in profiles

2006-08-08 Thread Brian Harring
Pardon the spam, but correcting a misstatement on my part- On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 09:41:39PM -0700, Brian Harring wrote: I know of selinux, and multilib- all that are effectively features, and exist in the use conditional namespace because they unfortunately straddle both (same issue

Re: [gentoo-dev] client+server packages - build which one?

2006-08-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 12:55:28PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt wrote: * Roy Marples [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Tuesday 08 August 2006 09:56, Enrico Weigelt wrote: If you want an dhcp client, install dhcp-client, if you want an dhcp server, install dhcp-server. Could it be simpler ?

Re: [gentoo-dev] per-package USE defaults

2006-08-08 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 05:49:40PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Tuesday 08 August 2006 15:18, Zac Medico wrote: Stuart Herbert wrote: Any chance of per-package USE defaults support? That's much more useful to me. Attached to bug 61732 there's a patch that implements this via a new

Re: [gentoo-dev] use.force as a complement to use.mask in profiles

2006-08-09 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 09:23:34PM +0200, Thomas de Grenier de Latour wrote: On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:22:50 -0700, Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: forcing cxx on via package.mask for gcc sys-devel/gcc[-cxx] If i want to build a cxx-free system, am i supposed to add sys-devel/gcc

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: multiple inheritance support for profiles

2006-08-12 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 01:24:49PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: Hi everyone, Currently, portage only allows single inheritance in profiles, but it's easy to enable multiple inheritance. In order to do this, we only need to unconstrain the number of parents allowed in the parent file (only 1

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: multiple inheritance support for profiles

2006-08-13 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 10:59:48PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: Brian Harring wrote: Said single inheritance protection was added 06/05/06 (rev 3544), stabled for x86 roughly 06/22/06. Hasn't even yet made it to a release media- meaning folk installing from the most current release media

Re: [gentoo-dev] [treecleaner] Last rites: media-sound/alsaplayer

2006-08-20 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 09:14:24AM +0200, Michael Weyersh??user wrote: Abhay Kedia wrote: Can someone suggest an appropriate alternate please? I don't know if it's appropriate since I never used alsaplayer, but mpeg123 is a good player for Just play me this file on a console without much

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 39 compliance

2006-08-30 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 08:26:41AM -0400, Alec Warner wrote: A project exists if it has a web page at www.g.o/proj/en/whatever that is maintained. (Maintained means that the information on the page is factually correct and not out-of-date.) If the webpage isn't maintained, it is presumed dead.

Re: [gentoo-dev] repoman: check for deprecated eclasses

2006-09-01 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 06:57:22PM +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote: Am Freitag, 1. September 2006 17:05 schrieb Alec Warner: Stefan Schweizer wrote: Hi, Repoman needs to check for deprecated eclasses, see http://bugs.gentoo.org/141677 As a result of the discussion in the bug, we

Re: [gentoo-dev] repoman: check for deprecated eclasses

2006-09-01 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Sep 02, 2006 at 01:37:26AM +0200, Danny van Dyk wrote: Am Freitag, 1. September 2006 19:37 schrieb Brian Harring: old new - -- foo.eclass new-foo.eclass We don't need a new file for that IMHO. I'd propose

Re: [gentoo-dev] repoman: check for deprecated eclasses

2006-09-01 Thread Brian Harring
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 09:54:09PM -0700, Daniel Ostrow wrote: snip I like this option better than sticking another file into the public tree that no user will ever need. Instead, modifying the eclass metadata and adding two new keys, that users will never need is fine? :)

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP updates

2006-09-05 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Sep 05, 2006 at 03:53:02PM -0500, Grant Goodyear wrote: Brian Harring wrote: [Mon Sep 04 2006, 01:04:21AM CDT] 49 (alt package manager 1) -- R (by council; sane API preferred) 50 (alt package manager 2) -- R (by council; sane API preferred) Might want to clarify the sane API

Re: [gentoo-dev] Local USE flags bite the dust

2006-09-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 02:33:14AM -0400, Doug Goldstein wrote: While I'm still awake... Here's a list of unused local USE flags that aren't used anymore and got axed. I stopped at USE flags that start with J... Missed a few before j from the looks of it- attached is a list of unused

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Required Features for $package_manager to Aid... Development!

2006-09-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 10:29:11AM +, Elfyn McBratney wrote: Hola, I've been inspired by the local/global USE flag threads recently posted by Doug (Cardoe), and it got me to thinking... I've recently joined the pkgcore development effort, and was asked by Brian (ferringb) what I'd like

Re: [gentoo-dev] Local USE flags bite the dust

2006-09-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 09:31:56AM -0400, Michael Cummings wrote: Brian Harring wrote: mail-filter/spamassassin: use.local.desc unused flag(s): extramodules, pyzor, razor, spf me thinks there be a bug here - I've removed extramodules from use.local.desc, but the others are still used

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: packages going into the tree with non-gentoo maintainers

2006-09-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 10:37:21PM -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote: Carsten Lohrke wrote: On Sunday 03 September 2006 16:36, Stefan Schweizer wrote: I am not adding stuff. I am fixing existing packages. And I am taking responsibility. How wonderful this sort of maintenance is you can read

Re: [gentoo-dev] using -j1 with distcc?

2006-09-13 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 10:34:52AM -0400, Aron Griffis wrote: From bind-9.3.2-r4.ebuild: # idea from dev-libs/cyrus-sasl if has distcc ${FEATURES}; then einfo You have \distcc\ enabled einfo build with MAKEOPTS=\-j1\ jobs=-j1 else einfo build

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Package Manager Specification: configuration protection

2006-09-16 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 11:22:11PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Protected locations are determined by the ``CONFIG_PROTECT`` environment variable, which is defined in the profiles and which may be augmented or overridden by the current environment and user configuration files. The user env

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Package Manager Specification: configuration protection

2006-09-16 Thread Brian Harring
On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 12:15:34AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:02:53 -0700 Chris White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Monday 11 September 2006 15:22, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | * Otherwise, try again with ``._cfg0001_name``, then | ``._cfg0002_name`` and so on (base

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Package Manager Specification: configuration protection

2006-09-16 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Sep 16, 2006 at 11:02:06PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:17:21 -0700 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 11:22:11PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | Protected locations are determined by the ``CONFIG_PROTECT`` | environment variable

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 52 - GLEP 23 revisited

2006-09-20 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:36:07PM +0200, Krzysiek Pawlik wrote: Simon Stelling wrote: I would like you to share your comments on the attached GLEP with me. I like the idea with one exception: Licenses that need to be explicitly accepted before installation of a package (and only

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-21 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 01:38:59PM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: Alin Nastac wrote: I reckon this could be solved by yet another *DEPEND variable. The only atoms accepted by this variable would be CATEGORY/PN. Every time when a package gets updated from PV1 to PV2 (distinct versions, revisions

Re: [gentoo-dev] Notification about MD5 support

2006-09-21 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 09:49:18AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 21 September 2006 09:34, Marius Mauch wrote: Manifest2 records do not contain a MD5 checksum. The only guaranteed checksum type there is SHA1. So once manifest1 is phased out the tree will not contain MD5 checksums

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-21 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 09:52:27AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 21 September 2006 07:59, Brian Harring wrote: Why have the explicit var? Because 0.9.7a through 0.9.7c may all be compatible, but 0.9.7d isn't. If you force an automatic algo that tries to (effectively) guess, you

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-21 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 05:38:08PM +0300, Alin Nastac wrote: Brian Harring wrote: On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 01:38:59PM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: There is one flaw with this though; packages can provide both libraries _and_ binaries. Our dependencies don't represent whether the dep

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-21 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 10:43:11AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 21 September 2006 10:04, Brian Harring wrote: I agree; while I'm labeling it ABI, includes both bad soname handling and seperate sonames. those people should be smacked (for the interest of disclosure, i have

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-21 Thread Brian Harring
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 08:15:48PM +0300, Alin Nastac wrote: Brian Harring wrote: BDEPEND was actually a seperate proposal/idea, intention there was to have that be the deps that *must* be CHOST (gcc would be an example); bits that are used to actually build the pkg, not data it consumes

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Sep 23, 2006 at 06:20:44AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 21 September 2006 11:08, Brian Harring wrote: On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 10:43:11AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: i'm referring to the specific file of course, not anything else in the package ... so integrating

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Sep 23, 2006 at 09:50:12AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday 23 September 2006 09:14, Brian Harring wrote: You're assuming that after the merge of the pkg that breaks compatibility, building is actually _still_ possible for the depends. of course i am; i just said

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-23 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Sep 23, 2006 at 10:34:03AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday 23 September 2006 10:24, Alin Nastac wrote: I see only libraries in NEEDED and it is probably generated automatically. There is no way for the automatic tools to discover the dependency between pptpd and ppp

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-25 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Sep 23, 2006 at 11:31:12PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday 23 September 2006 10:30, Brian Harring wrote: dlopen? we already said that this will need a new depend variable How does this fix openssl horkage? (bad soname handling) it wont, but such things are broken

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-27 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 02:24:41AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday 25 September 2006 14:16, Brian Harring wrote: Bad soname handling is just *part* of what BINCOMPAT could do; it's not the sole reason for it's existance, as such it's not quite right dismissing it just because

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC about another *DEPEND variable

2006-09-30 Thread Brian Harring
On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 02:01:08PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Wednesday 27 September 2006 03:54, Brian Harring wrote: Bleh, this is getting back to exactly my point that it's unbounded resolution. To support this, every step of execution would require scanning for dangling nodes

Re: [gentoo-dev] Setting number of parallel builds for other build-systems than 'make'

2006-10-01 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Oct 01, 2006 at 09:52:14AM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Tiziano Müller wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone It seems that setting the number of parallel builds using '-jN' does not only work for make, but also for scons and bjam (and maybe others as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs

2013-06-16 Thread Brian Harring
It's low maintenance; only thing needed is either to rebase to my libtransform work, or add proper xz support. Either way, any questions, let me know. ~brian On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Sergey Popov pinkb...@gentoo.org wrote: 16.06.2013 13:49, Pacho Ramos пишет: Due ferringb retirement

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