Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-03 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:28:24 -0800 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Here's one example of a global goal: Reduce the learning curve of | Gentoo and increase its usability. That goal is silly and oxymoronic. Reduced learning curve decreases usability. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Split ebuilds for GCC

2006-01-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 05:26:44 -0700 Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | That begs the question... No it doesn't. http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/begs.html | Curious users want to know! Perhaps said curious users should go and take a look, then. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
the changes haven't been going around screaming about it from the rooftops. If you'd like to see more interesting or innovative changes, start by looking into how we can make it easier for developers to advertise what they've been doing. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
what certain people want it to say rather than the truth of what's going on. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
... -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
now? -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
that the stalling points are in different areas. As for obvious... For any problem there's at least one solution that is both obvious and wrong... -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January

2006-01-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
: disallowing multiple votes per person in council meetings thread? http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=11346783302r=1w=2 -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: regular project updates

2006-01-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
-spell.eclass to avoid requiring that our users have four gigs of RAM? I mean, it'd be pretty frickin' boring... -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP

Re: [gentoo-dev] Projects and simple guides

2006-01-13 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
that -- it disallows most nested structure markup -- which means it's useless on most GLEPs unless someone goes through and does some serious whitespace cleanups... -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http

Re: [gentoo-dev] pending dooooooom of use.defaults

2006-01-13 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:13:02 -0500 solar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | The autouse itself is not a bad feature or idea if it were used properly. | Problem is that it's not been used properly. No, it's bad. It's another thing that makes correct dependency resolution impossible. -- Ciaran McCreesh

Re: [gentoo-dev] FEATURES=test depends

2006-01-17 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
times that this has been discussed and the FEATURES into USE_EXPAND bug (82513). -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

[gentoo-dev] Anything else needed before eselect-1.0?

2006-01-19 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
. The aim is to have only core, non-package-specific, non-experimental-demo stuff distributed with the main eselect. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP

Re: [gentoo-dev] fix binary debug support, part elevenity billion 1/2

2006-01-19 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
even crazier. -O1 -fno-inline-functions will give you better results with C++ code. Without -O1, g++ will skip some really basic optimisations that makes it even harder than usual to figure out what STL code is doing... -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail

[gentoo-dev] Compilation in src_test

2006-01-20 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
around this is to s/check_/noinst_/ in the Makefile.am. Is it worth it? Is anyone who is familiar with autotools internals aware of a cleverer solution? -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] Duplicate licences

2006-01-21 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
as Debian do and distribute a licence with every single package. Every other package maintainer manages to get it right. That it's a bit more work to do things properly is no excuse. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking modular X

2006-01-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
upon our users to be relevant. Is my understanding correct? -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] sed vs gsed

2006-01-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
and | things that won't honour aliases in bashrc. If there are any hardcoded calls to /usr/bin/sed, it is reasonable for you to ask for them to be fixed. For any others, use a wrapper script. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking modular X

2006-01-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
| (and blockage) is very easy if necessary (eg, you use 200 unported | packages or something). That is exactly the issue. Your average ~arch user is going to get pages and pages of nasty red incomprehensible blocks simply because you're making Xorg 7 block the virtual rather than provide it. -- Ciaran

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking modular X

2006-01-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
. You're deliberately causing nasty problems for ~arch users when there's a very easy, clean workaround with far lower consequences and the same end result. This is unacceptable. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking modular X

2006-01-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
be fixed, | right? Why not make the modular X provide virtual/x11 and just | institute a policy that no new packages can go into stable with a | virtual/x11 dependency? It could even be easily enforcable if | necessary. Much more sensible. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking modular X

2006-01-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
. The only difference is the impact upon end users. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking modular X

2006-01-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:34:49 -0800 Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:16:38 -0800 Donnie Berkholz | | I guarantee you that adding all of modular X to the virtual/x11 | | will make this drag out for years, and THAT is unacceptable to me

Re: [gentoo-dev] NFP lack of progress

2006-01-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:42:39 -0800 Brian Harring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Email's pretty simple- from where I'm sitting, there doesn't seem to | be any actual progress on trustees issues. *prod* -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm

Re: [gentoo-dev] Repoman and his automagic

2006-01-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:57:53 -0500 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I personally am against both of these, mostly due to their | automational nature. Indeed. Repoman is significantly stupider than most developers. This is just asking for trouble. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: tcsh vs. csh, removal of the latter

2006-01-28 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:31:55 +0100 Grobian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | In fact, I'd like to have only sh, because I never use bash. How did you become a Gentoo developer? -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Jokey (Markus Ullmann)

2006-01-28 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
it properly? :D | | | My apologies, that should have been Mar[ck]uses! No, that would be Marci. Now write it down a hundred times. If it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web

Re: [gentoo-dev] Make logrotate a global USE flag?

2006-01-28 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
, it's that it's another file in /etc, which is backed up and requires administrator attention on every upgrade. Packages shouldn't stick stuff in /etc on a whim. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http

Re: [gentoo-dev] Make logrotate a global USE flag?

2006-01-29 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
app with completion support? -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?

2006-01-29 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
. This is a repoman bug. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?

2006-01-30 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:46:28 +0900 Jason Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Monday 30 January 2006 16:43, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:17:36 +0100 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Also, as repoman complain about linguas_blabla not being a valid

Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?

2006-01-31 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
if not via use.desc? They shouldn't be. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Default Ebuild behaviour

2006-01-31 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Default Ebuild behaviour

2006-01-31 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:03:38 + Benjamin Smee (strerror) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Tuesday 31 January 2006 12:31, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | See, you're not really taking into account the cost of sticking | files in /etc. For packages where an etc entry is low cost, it's | already done

Re: [gentoo-dev] Default Ebuild behaviour

2006-01-31 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:06:35 + Benjamin Smee (strerror) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Tuesday 31 January 2006 15:47, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | | What is the cost you are referring to specifically? I think I | | know but I'd like a specific definition. | | 1. Management. For example

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Unmasking modular X

2006-01-31 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
. Criticals make it very hard for people to fix other legitimate issues. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Default Ebuild behaviour

2006-01-31 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
? I'd prefer either /etc or /etc and /usr/share/doc personally. But yeah, that's a nice solution. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Default Ebuild behaviour

2006-01-31 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 00:03:46 +0100 Henrik Brix Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 10:53:28PM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | I'd prefer either /etc or /etc and /usr/share/doc personally. But | yeah, that's a nice solution. | | You mean either /usr/share/doc or /etc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Unmasking modular X

2006-02-01 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
| this on the bug so the maintainer can fix it later :) A flag to | ignore it will make me, and probably other archs, happy though. | | I see broken dependencies with modular X They're not broken. They're sub-optimal. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail

Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?

2006-02-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
of common screwups, not to dictate what you must do. If repoman is wrong, go ahead and commit, but also make sure that there's a bug filed describing how repoman is broken. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http

Re: [gentoo-dev] IUSE and LINGUAS?

2006-02-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
of common screwup, if you're lucky. It is not there to be relied upon, and it is not there to tell you what to do. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP

[gentoo-dev] Depend syntax

2006-02-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
a use? even if it's immediately followed by a ||. There're quite a few oddities like this in the tree. I'll be either fixing them or filing bugs depending upon whether the package in question is maintained. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail: ciaranm

[gentoo-dev] Self-circular dependencies

2006-02-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
confusing. I'll prod on IRC / file bugs for any obvious cases where it's definitely wrong. There's also a full list, complete with a whole load of legit cases, at: http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm/tmp/find_self_circular_deps.txt -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (King of all Londinium) Mail

Re: [gentoo-dev] Self-circular dependencies

2006-02-05 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 20:22:05 -0500 Mike Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Sunday 05 February 2006 17:11, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | Another not-so-uncommon issue that crops up: packages DEPENDing upon | themselves. Sometimes this is legit -- one of the Ada compilers, for | example, DEPENDs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Meeting Summary (20060209)

2006-02-09 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:25:43 -0500 Aron Griffis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Outcome: I've committed the amendment to GLEP 39 (council) as discussed. It should show up on the web within an hour or three. If I or docutils screwed it up, someone please let me know. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo

[gentoo-dev] eselect 1.0 is out

2006-02-09 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
before I could get GLEP 42 finalised. You can look forward to eselect 1.0.1 when he returns and finds all the stuff that I forgot to fix. ] -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 47: Creating 'safe' environment variables

2006-02-09 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
English issues too where things don't scan clearly to a native reader, but it's probably not worth fixing them at this stage. Let me know when you reach the point where using precise language is important and I'll make a list. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 47: Creating 'safe' environment variables

2006-02-09 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:11:00 +0100 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Friday 10 February 2006 00:50, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | Provision should be made for future ports that require more than two | keywords. There's no particular reason to artificially limit this to | two

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 47: Creating 'safe' environment variables

2006-02-09 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
? Users that override CHOST to something outside of one of the safe forms (or at all, on many archs) won't be able to compile anything anyway. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm

Re: [gentoo-dev] Manifest2 decision delayed (was: Gentoo Council Meeting Summary (20060209))

2006-02-10 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:14:26 -0500 Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 03:17 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:05:35 -0500 Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wrote: | | The words AUXFILE EBUILD MISCFILE DISTFILE could be using shorter | | names

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 47: Creating 'safe' environment variables

2006-02-10 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:25:47 +0100 Grobian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On 09-02-2006 23:50:08 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:48:32 +0100 Grobian [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wrote: | Instead of proposing a 4-tuple [3]_ keyword, a 2-tuple | keyword is chosen for archs

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 47: Creating 'safe' environment variables

2006-02-10 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:44:11 +0100 Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Friday 10 February 2006 21:22, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | kfreebsd-gnu is, in effect, one example you're using already. You'd | have x86 as the arch, FreeBSD as the kernel and GNU as the userland. | | x86

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 47: Creating 'safe' environment variables

2006-02-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
to the list. Standard practice is to define what's allowed, not what's forbidden, and the usual range is a subset of a-zA-Z0-9_+:- . -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm

[gentoo-dev] check-reqs conditionals

2006-02-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
at some point.) -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm Index: check-reqs.eclass === RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/eclass

Re: [gentoo-dev] Request for Comment

2006-02-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
. | | No. Use the = to unmask a specific version only. For example: | | =sys-apps/findutils-4.2.25 ~x86 Usually better to use ~, so that you pick up any revbumps. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect 1.0 is out

2006-02-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:38:53 +0200 Eldad Zack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Is this a quirk or intentional: | | # eselect kernel show | Current kernel symlink: | linux-2.6.14.3/ | | (notice the trailing slash there) Mmm. What's your readlink? -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect 1.0 is out

2006-02-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:27:33 +0200 Eldad Zack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Mmm. What's your readlink? | | sys-apps/coreutils 5.2.1-r7 Looks like it depends upon how ln -s was invoked as to what readlink gives. Guess we'll have to work around that in a couple of places... -- Ciaran McCreesh

Re: [gentoo-dev] Duplicated entries in use.desc and use.local.desc

2006-02-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
that use said flag, and thus do not get a use.local.desc entry. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

[gentoo-dev] Making PROFILE_ARCH more useful?

2006-02-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
. Doing things that way could still be an option, but expand seems to be the cleaner solution now. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Duplicated entries in use.desc and use.local.desc

2006-02-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
left. The original someone should GLEP this was on adding extended USE flag descriptions to metadata.xml. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla etiquette suggestions

2006-02-13 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
the credit. If you take all or a significant part of a user contribution, credit the user. If you don't use the user contribution because their proposed fix is lousy (a rather too common occurrence...), they just get credit for reporting the issue. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Bugzilla etiquette suggestions

2006-02-13 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
and discussions that go on for dozens of pages. But... If INVALID is renamed, could we get a new GOAWAY resolution for people who really deserve it? -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla etiquette suggestions

2006-02-13 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
is limited to end users. Sadly the same thing has been observed in certain Gentoo developers. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] where to install source files for c++ templates

2006-02-13 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
should these | source files be installed in the file | system? /usr/share/speech-tools? No. /usr/include/speech-tools. Treat them as header files. Have a look at libebt for an example. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Bugzilla etiquette suggestions

2006-02-13 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
it in their CXXFLAGS... -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Bugzilla etiquette suggestions

2006-02-13 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
the users for a while. Most of us don't have the luxury of being able to ignore real users... -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-editors/gnotepad+

2006-02-16 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-editors/gnotepad+

2006-02-16 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
that occurred last time someone tried to tidy up commonbox... -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-editors/gnotepad+

2006-02-16 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:55:33 +0100 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | 16.2.2006, 22:47:49, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:32:13 +0100 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wrote: | | BTW, x11-misc/bbapm is about one month | | overdue (http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20201

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-editors/gnotepad+

2006-02-16 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
you're not going to remove. | Also, there wasn't exactly any flamefest so I don't know what you are | referring to above. You sent out a mail and noone gave a damn about | that stuff, should have been removed from from the tree 1 1/2 year | ago. Try looking harder next time. -- Ciaran McCreesh

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-editors/gnotepad+

2006-02-16 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:14:42 +0100 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | 16.2.2006, 23:58:41, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:45:45 +0100 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wrote: | | OMG, stop this crap and don't waste our time. You specifically | | asked me to do it - | | http

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-editors/gnotepad+

2006-02-16 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 00:34:32 +0100 Jakub Moc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | You should probably go and read herds.xml sometime. | | Or maybe you should, rather... I said to go and read herds.xml. I'm not going to bother carrying on with this if you won't even do that properly. -- Ciaran McCreesh

[gentoo-dev] Beware DESCRIPTION clobbering

2006-02-16 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
: description: major: DESCRIPTION is about as useful as a chocolate teapot -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

[gentoo-dev] Berlios-hosted SRC_URI components

2006-02-19 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
is, for each package hosted on Berlios, contact upstream and get them to give you a tarball via a different location, then manually mirror it, and use mirror://gentoo/ in SRC_URI. This really really sucks. Does anyone happen to know any of the Berlios staff? -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Berlios-hosted SRC_URI components

2006-02-19 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:21:16 +0100 Carsten Lohrke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Sunday 19 February 2006 10:20, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | It gets worse still. It looks like many our mirrors have broken | copies of certain Berlios-hosted tarballs. | | Shouldn't that be a general problem with our

Re: [gentoo-dev] Berlios-hosted SRC_URI components

2006-02-20 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:36:35 +0100 Carsten Lohrke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Got a positive answer. Any remaining issues? Positive as in yes, we'll fix it, or positive as in yes, we're mangling the tarballs and we hate you? -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail

Re: [gentoo-dev] Putting all log related packages into it's own category (sys-logging)

2006-02-21 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
digests etc. , but thats another idea though). Using a database does not save space or make things faster. Nor will it make syncing any faster. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm

[gentoo-dev] RESTRICT and no*

2006-02-21 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
What's the deal with no* values in RESTRICT? Is it RESTRICT=strip or RESTRICT=nostrip? fetch or nofetch? Which values work with all Portage versions, which work with only recent ones and which work with none? The documentation and the code are both inconsistent on this... -- Ciaran McCreesh

[gentoo-dev] SRC_URI component naming collision

2006-02-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
shall be receiving bugs shortly, since That Which Shall Not Be Named now checks for this. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

[gentoo-dev] dev-lang/nqc could use a maintainer...

2006-02-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
Does someone want to pick up dev-lang/nqc? It's a C-like compiler for Lego Mindstorms, and it needs some version bump loving (bug #89257) and some nasty global scope code replacing. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web

[gentoo-dev] dev-util/perforce* needs a maintainer

2006-02-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
Bug #123923: dev-util/perforce* needs someone to step up as a maintainer and fix the digest issues. Otherwise QA will get very upset. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm

Re: [gentoo-dev] SRC_URI component naming collision

2006-02-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:45:41 + Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 14:19 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | Two ways this one can occur. | | [snip] | | Third way ... upstream is a provider of commercial software, and | releases different editions of the same

Re: [gentoo-dev] SRC_URI component naming collision

2006-02-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:46:37 + Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Sun, 2006-02-26 at 20:00 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | Then you must talk to upstream and get them to change their ways. | | Already covered in the (growing) discussion in bug #123926. UPSTREAM | have previously

Re: [gentoo-dev] SRC_URI component naming collision

2006-02-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:30:22 + Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Sun, 2006-02-26 at 21:04 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | Ok, so given that this is a closed source application, if upstream | won't cooperate on something as simple as this, why do you expect | them to cooperate

Re: [gentoo-dev] SRC_URI component naming collision

2006-02-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
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Re: [gentoo-dev] SRC_URI component naming collision

2006-02-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:13:32 + Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Sun, 2006-02-26 at 21:40 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | The issue is whether you have the right to leave broken packages in | the tree. I don't see any policy document granting you that right. | | From a discussion

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
. Hrm, do we want to include the thing about the QA standards providing rationale and explanations rather than hard rules here? -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-26 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
about appropriate scrutany, and in turn a | long-term solution made in the situation where it is not easily | resolvable/avoidable. This is to cover for situations where people claim that their screwups are ok because no-one has yet reported it as broken. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
if the maintainer sticks SANDBOX_DISABLE=1 rm -fr / in global scope and refuses to move it, QA will have to get council approval to fix it? -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
, is not an acceptable solution... -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
. To be added, you must convince the existing QA team that you know what you're doing. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
because said developer started a discussion rather than closing the bug off as WONTFIX, INVALID or CANTFIX. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP

Re: [gentoo-dev] SRC_URI component naming collision

2006-02-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
the problem. The only reason this one has gone so far is because of Stuart repeatedly closing the bug off and refusing to discuss alternatives. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
new applicants because they enjoy having authority? Especially | when its mis-placed authority. Oh, that one's easy. We're all lazy and would never turn down someone decent who is going to reduce our workload :P -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail

Re: [gentoo-dev] bug #20201 and bbapm

2006-02-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
someone whining on a bug report. There are at least two in the tree that're more broken than this. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
of the document that address that. Getting the issue fixed, however, has higher priority than any disciplinary action. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description

Re: [gentoo-dev] bug #20201 and bbapm

2006-02-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
to help here, solve the problem properly. There is more to it than getting one bug closed. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-02-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
than it would take to even detect one instance of a particular severe problem, it's most definitely worth concentrating on the 'easy' issue. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Wearer of the shiny hat) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm

Re: [gentoo-dev] bug #20201 and bbapm

2006-02-27 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:23:07 -0500 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:15:13 -0500 Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wrote: | | bbapm has been masked due to no one responding with anything | | useful to last rites e-mail. It will be punted

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