, for those that can
effectively handle it, and for those that can't, well, it's a volunteer
situation, and as such, a natural solution tends to appear.
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What word to use in place of distribution, when one wants to include the
BSDs and other non-distributions as well, other than
Linux/BSD[/*ix]][/OSX], or simply *ix... *IS* there such a term?
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Well, for that matter, distribution is considered at least by my *BSD
friends, to be a peculiarly Linux term. From their perspective, Linux
you might have missed it. I might have myself,
had I not commented on -a functionality myself earlier, and was therefore
watching for discussion of that aspect in particular.
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been meaning to join, is on gmane. Subscribing while I'm thinking about
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Drake Wyrm posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
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Apropos indeed. Thanks!
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there's no other person who could steer a complicated and therefore
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than he. In all aspects he has done a better job than I would have
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USE=kdeenablefinal on AMD64, a single process takes 700 meg, based on my
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Just because it's been done that way for some time doesn't mean it's
legally correct, and that's what's worrying to some posters (myself
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:08:40 -0700
Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Neither here nor there, but for some reason, I prefer emerge -NuD
world. =8^)
Especially since you just said yourself
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Alin Nastac posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on
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When you have thousands of small files (1-4 blocks), the space saved by
removing all unnecessary whitespaces is minimal at best.
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John Mylchreest posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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Duncan, you make some valid points but for the sake of ease for the rest
of us, could you please try condense the mails down from several pages? :)
I've been proud of myself, even managing a couple
, that sounds like possible AT/HT material,
maybe ultimately leading to a new dev, to me.)
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Daniel Drake posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on
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Duncan wrote:
I'd /not/ really wish to encourage version bump requests overnight.
That's jumping the gun, and indeed, could encourage first post like
behavior.
That is precisely what was being
Simon Stelling posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on
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Consider this: INVALID is strong enough, under the wrong circumstances,
that it /could/ set an emotionally unstable user off, causing them to
commit suicide or something.
Are you
the thread, when it's always possible to ignore my
essay and the resulting subthread, if desired, and continue posting away
on the more useful subthreads, as if I'd never posted in the first
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, and the arch is slow as it is so we're talking a week
build-time instead of 3-4 days, but they are being worked on, and if all
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discussion to either user or desktop.
I don't look at user, but I'm a regular over in desktop, where KDE
questions are happily answered, as it's certainly part of desktop.
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and integrity of opinion and developer skills.
It's certainly a loss for Gentoo, and as Gentoo is now a part of me, a
loss I'll feel personally, as well, but unfortunately, those times do come.
As with Donnie and the others, only user to dev, I wish you well. May our
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the non-trivial
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above is getting close to 30 days in ~arch now,
tho I don't know its bug status.
I often check the portage tree changelogs and Gentoo bugzilla site status
of particular packages that I'm interested in. I'm glad the info is
available, as it has proven useful quite often.
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system tools. Gentoo has it right with the e* precedent. I believe we
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Chris Gianelloni posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 12:37 -0700, Duncan wrote:
Agreed if keeping the old name with a gentoo prefix/suffix is chosen.
However, nearly all Gentoo system tools are ewhatever (not only portage
in general gains
enough favor to consider a glep or the like.
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simply omitted and
a reference to that local copy, not the global instance, assumed, when
mentioning putting it in make.conf?
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voting make
the interest any more evident than all those CCs, and the CCs actually
continue to be useful after the vote has been registered, as well. Bug
voting? I'd argue we already have bug voting!
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pretty much of it's innerwork.
PS:There's an article in gentoo-wiki.com with a list of overlays.
Thanks. That's now double-underlined on my TODO list.
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overlay is using, and not worry about the others.
Advanced users and devs able to deal with the potential conflicts of
multiple overlays shouldn't have difficulty managing multiple version
control systems, and they'll be the only ones that have to worry about it.
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-stable was /that/ far behind!
Point well made!
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Donnie Berkholz posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on
Mon, 03 Apr 2006 23:16:07 -0700:
Duncan wrote:
The Gentoo-desktop list is lower volume and generally where I ask
(developer level) questions about anything so related, KDE, GNOME,
burning CD/DVDs, sometimes sound issues, etc
continues to
work well enough to continue to use. Just don't go filing bugs on anything
that breaks until the whole set is updated.
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for doesn't affect amd64, yet unfortunately, the calls aren't
conditioned on arch as they would be in a perfect world with access to
full testing on all archs right away.
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Gave me pause for a moment, there!
Welcome! (From a non-dev, just enthused there's someone else to be
developing packages for me to play with... and that you have /not/ passed
away, as I first read! =8^)
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responsible for it will take the pressure off the regular GWN editors, and
should encourage the necessary research and pre-feature dev contact, to
ensure things go smoothly and there's not a repeat of that earlier
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it. Or am I mistaken?
Something like a metapackage that deps on gentoo-xcursor and similar
packages, maybe? That would unify installation/merging. Include an
emerge --config script that in turn unifies the configuration?
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. Again, maybe I just missed the
symbolism somewhere, but that's my opinion. Put a caption on him, make
him link to something, and it'll look better.
Maybe make him the documentation and help section icon? Or the icon for
contact information (Gentoo developer listing, etc)? Something.
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^) The first time I noticed it, I wondered what kind
of magic the ebuild was doing. Then I saw it on a couple others, and then
happened across it while reviewing the profile. It works! =8^)
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the next rc. Good work
both here and upstream! Is the proposed schedule on the wiki at
desktop.org still valid? A couple more RCs, and release in about a month
if all goes well?
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Mart Raudsepp posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
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on xorg.fd.org wiki.
Doh... I always call it desktop.org, it's /free/desktop.org! One
would think with a sig such as mine I'd remember that! Thanks!
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Duncan wrote:
Is it worth posting bugs on these yet? Gentoo or upstream? Any tracker
bug to point me at? (I have the binpkgs so can remerge them for
additional testing with little trouble
to a
requirement for a unanimous decision. Reason in the middle ground?
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Duncan posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below,
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The idea in either case is to minimize the possibility of something
occurring without enough of a majority opinion to make the decision look
arbitrary or subject to immediate reversal upon the whims
, anyway. For myself, I became aware of a
word interpretation inconsistency I wasn't aware of, thus gaining insight
into myself. Maybe it's me that's out of sync. =8^)
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Chris Gianelloni posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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I'm sorry, but do your friends call you Duncan? I'll leave it at that.
Who, me? looks around No, safe to say, /not/ me.
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from the command line.
Also consider the effect of the -D and -N flags, as depending on your
exact needs, --newuse and --deep may or may not be suitable.
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so, why
are they then blaming Gentoo for their own choice?
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. I doubt you'll
find much support for significant change among Gentoo devs /or/ users,
because after all, if they didn't like it, they'd not have chosen Gentoo
in the first place, as that's one of the defining characteristics that
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in package.keywords too. Again, Gentoo is very flexible in that regard --
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the docs and follow them as appropriate.
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and the events from portage-devel,
a reasonably safe prediction should be that they'll both be stable by the
end of the (northern hemisphere) summer, with a target of mid-summer.
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it's simply uncontemplatable. Take those assumptions away, and there's
simply nothing left to build upon or debug with. You might as well be
trying to debug random bits -- the supporting logic and assumptions are
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source software community, not a sign of a stagnating one! Make it the
best you can, because those of us still with Gentoo at the moment will
certainly be doing our best to make Gentoo the best we can. =8^)
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caption now, I missed it too.
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comes up, I
don't believe we've been given /exclusive/ use of Znurt, so we /should/ be
aware that drobbins may at some time find another use for him, even if we
now have permission to continue using him.
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out here, and I'm just one of them.
Glad it isn't /all/ SCO out there! g (I'm in AZ, just as out there I
suppose, and not far from you.)
Welcome, tho I'm not a dev/staffer myself.
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, and ebuilds that require features only in paludis are
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a profile.bashrc that dies
unless something like I_WANT_TO_BREAK_MY_SYSTEM=1 is set).
... And the proposal included a deprecated file. By that definition,
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seems worthy of consideration, as others have
pointed out, quite independent of what other choices are eventually
offered. pkgcore or something else could find it equally helpful, and it
won't hurt to build in that flexibility now.
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Stephen Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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On Wed, 17 May 2006 16:28:21 + (UTC) Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Herein lies the crux of the problem, IMO. Regardless of all the other
arguments made, I simply cannot
/ there be debate. Please reconsider at least on the
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disruption to the
tree if someone stepped up before masking.
Either way, good idea; a betterment of Gentoo, I agree.
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, I don't have any good suggestions, but I'm sure others can
come up with some. =8^)
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it for one or more single packages -- tho I expect I'll be
examining each individual ebuild as I merge and upgrade it if I do -- the
security issues are real to me too, and I'm not quite /that/ insane. =8^)
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underneath you isn't all that pleasant, so this is a
needed change. The only problem was that it wasn't properly documented,
but that has been taken care of now as well.
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comprehend use.defaults.
light dawns Ooohhh, gotcha now!! You are right, that /is/ a bit
ambiguous. Obviously, neither I nor the author caught that.
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this point to step in and ask for the
clarification myself, since I honestly don't see the difference in the
two statements you say are so different, myself.)
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Peper [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
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It makes no difference in assignments, so all of them will do.
Noted that based on the other replies after posting. Thanks, tho. I
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the sig).
Some here don't care. That's fine -- for them. It's a bit bigger
than that for me, but they don't ask me to run what is to me slaveryware,
and I won't ask them to give up what is to them convenienceware.
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upgrade on a major desktop environment
would be -- that is, while some problems should be expected (and well
published in GWN and the like before stabilization), they should be
resolvable, and temporary.
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clear. Geology? Geometry? A four-letter geol/geom/whatever
would clear that up.
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of many, under a number of different licenses, as
is the case with any distribution or LiveCD Linux, even a small one.
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with Gentoo than in the case of a binary-based upstream
distribution, where tracking separate source packages would be required.
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it) sources on-mirror or on an archive
repository setup for the purpose could be debated, tho I'd suggest the
archive repository, so the mirrors don't have to carry it.
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Kevin F. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
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01 Jul 2006 11:14:37 +0200:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:53:42 + (UTC)
Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin F. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted
a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine
and are publishing
his source code on the /web/? =8^0 Then I realize it's the source for the
/page/, click the show images button, and all is well, despite my brief
bout of technical vertigo. =8^)
Anyway, congrats!
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it should be fairly
soon now.
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Patrick McLean [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on Wed, 05 Jul 2006 10:47:37 -0400:
The source DVD sounds like a great idea to me, no need to keep anything
around on mirrors, and we fulfill all the requirements of the GPL.
+1
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