Re: [gentoo-dev] Let portage symlink latest version of installed docs

2006-04-08 Thread Graham Murray
Fabian Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I'd like portage do to is to create a symlink to the latest version of a package's documentation. Just omitting the version number would of course not work as slotted packages may have multiple versions of docs installed. The first format coming

Re: [gentoo-dev] fix binary debug support, part elevenity billion + 1

2006-06-07 Thread Graham Murray
Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only downside afaik, for bashrc is that you can't do per package FEATURES as FEATURES is a python-side var. But you shouldn't need per package FEATURES by design; FEATURES are for portage, not your ebuild. From the perspective of a user, not a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: unicode and userlocales useflag

2006-06-22 Thread Graham Murray
Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's a newer way to control the same thing that userlocales controlled, but I didn't understand it when it was posted here. Though, AFAIK, there is no way of retaining the old behaviour, of building all locales, when the local userlocales flag was not set.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Replacing cpu-feature USE flags

2006-07-07 Thread Graham Murray
Martin Schlemmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stupid question though ... does the gcc test thingy list __3dNOW__ on nocona ? I would think that it does, as there is no -march=nocona (or whatever) yet. There is an -march=nocona (which I think was introduced in gcc 3.4) which works for both 32bit

Re: [gentoo-dev] ethereal moved to wireshark

2006-07-25 Thread Graham Murray
Daniel Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ethereal, as far as anyone can tell, is no longer being developed[3] as all the core developers have moved to Wireshark[4]. To make this transition as painless as possible, a package move has been setup so Ethereal users should automatically upgrade

Re: [gentoo-dev] ethereal moved to wireshark

2006-07-25 Thread Graham Murray
Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 16:16 +0100, Graham Murray wrote: Is there an equivalent of (or replacement for) the command line tethereal? This can give more useful information than tcpdump and can be run in real-time on servers over an SSH connection

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-20 Thread Graham Murray
Zac Medico writes: On 12/19/2012 02:01 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: If we are going to move distfiles out of the tree into, what are the odds of getting /some/path/portage/local to move somewhere else too? What program uses this local directory? It's not used directly by

Re: RFC: install linux-firmware with kernel sources (was Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrite: Firmware cleanup, part #1)

2013-02-13 Thread Graham Murray
Peter Stuge writes: Kernel -sources USE is a handy way to install linux-firmware wholesale, but AIUI the standalone firmware packages would be removed too, effectively making the USE flag non-optional, and removing the possibility of having managed firmware packages. (People

Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.5.1 arrived in the tree

2009-10-14 Thread Graham Murray
Branko Badrljica writes: 2. About using bugzilla- how the heck was I supposed to use it without net access ? If openrc did not start your networking, what was preventing you starting it yourself? Even if the upgrade also corrupted both sys-apps/net-tools and

Re: [gentoo-dev] sudo vs su

2010-02-28 Thread Graham Murray
Denis Dupeyron writes: Some systems are configured with a random root password. After a while you get tired of doing 'sudo command' all the time and would like to become root but you can't because you don't know the root password. One way around that is 'sudo su -' which

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Remove cups from default profile to solve circular deps

2010-03-04 Thread Graham Murray
Richard Freeman writes: I think that is separate from the circular dependency issue. As long as we have an unresolved circular dependency I think cups should be off the list. However, I'd be the first to agree that this is a short-term solution. The problem is that we

Re: [gentoo-dev] About libpng-1.4 handling

2010-05-10 Thread Graham Murray
Mike Frysinger writes: if you're digging around then clearly you havent done the obvious and run revdep-rebuild ? that is pretty user-friendly. I do not know if I had done something wrong beforehand, but simply running revdep-rebuild did not work for me - a number of

Re: [gentoo-dev] About libpng-1.4 handling

2010-05-11 Thread Graham Murray
George Prowse writes: I have run revdep-rebuild about 30 times and I still can't fix it. revdep-rebuild does not fix it and libpng needs to have some serious action before it goes stable because I booted into, basically a completely broken machine because I had to stop

Re: [gentoo-dev] bug wrangler queue is large...

2010-05-25 Thread Graham Murray
Mike Frysinger writes: the bug reporter can open their own bugs. gentoo developers can open any bug. that's about it. Which can be a pain for other users who suffered the same bug (and are probably on the CC list), the maintainer says to re-open if the problem is not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Actions of python team, especially Arfrever wrt python eclass and python-3*

2010-06-06 Thread Graham Murray
Thomas Sachau writes: Since python-3* is currently useless and not required for any package, the dependency should by default only pull in python-2* like this: =dev-lang/python-2* With that, the default way would not pull in a package, which is not needed or used. And

Re: [gentoo-dev] Global useflag for enabling visibility support

2007-11-05 Thread Graham Murray
Piotr Jaroszyński [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it's time to add a more general flag for enabling visibility support in packages as currently there is only a kde specific one (kdehiddenvisibility) and I don't think it makes sense to add a new one for each package that needs it. Some

Re: [gentoo-dev] config_eth0 deprecated - new name?

2008-04-23 Thread Graham Murray
Roy Marples [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wednesday 23 April 2008 21:46:18 Robin H. Johnson wrote: See my attached example from work, we use a lot of the various options on stuff. No, we won't support that. However, we will bring back ip ranges for the last ocet like so It

Re: [gentoo-dev] config_eth0 deprecated - new name?

2008-04-24 Thread Graham Murray
Roy Marples [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wednesday 23 April 2008 23:01:38 Graham Murray wrote: It looks to me as though you are intending to remove the capability to set up complex network environments. No I'm not. I'm making it easy for simple configs AND complex ones. Just not through

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: lzma tarball usage

2008-05-08 Thread Graham Murray
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò) writes: USE=cxx should do just fine, it will disable the C++-related parts, whatever they are. Sincerely I'd quite like to enable it on my vserver's build chroots too. Should that be USE=-cxx? The help for USE=cxx says that this builds support for

Re: [gentoo-dev] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2008-06-19 Thread Graham Murray
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * dismiss any technical criticism as being a 'corner case'. And not appreciate that addressing the 'corner cases' is very important and not to be dismissed. I have been a software developer (though not a Gentoo one) for 30 years, and learnt that lesson

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 2 policy for portage tree

2008-12-09 Thread Graham Murray
Robert R. Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3) perform the bugfix with a version bump and upgrade to the latest EAPI Options 1 and 2 are how most updates are done, the user can mask the latest version or upgrade. Option 3 allows the user to continue using the previous version while they

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: have_NPTL proposal/question

2005-05-15 Thread Graham Murray
R Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the only thing i know of that needs LT is Xen, and they're already working on NPTL support. Also the (user space) driver from Epson for the Stylus Photo R800 printer needs Linuxthreads. While much of this is available in source code form, it includes a couple

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: app-portage/genlop: 9 open bugs, dead upstream

2005-07-25 Thread Graham Murray
Michael Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The funny thing about no more activity upstream is this: why would there be? Except for bug fixes, it does a simple job, and it does it damned well: it parses your emerge log and gives you just the output you want and need. Don't abandon a tool just

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-29 Thread Graham Murray
Paul de Vrieze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is also needed for third party apps that were linked against As long as those applications do not depend on other libraries that are linked against a newer c++ lib things are totally ok. But unfortunately is does happen. For

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving GCC-3.4 to stable on x86

2005-11-30 Thread Graham Murray
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Again, would anyone know what will happen to ~x86 gcc?, Will it become gcc40 or just use the stable x86 gcc for everyone? (except those who are already playing with gcc40 at their own risk) Even if ~x86 does change to gcc40 then gcc is slotted so we can continue to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Keeping older versions around

2012-01-29 Thread Graham Murray
Donnie Berkholz writes: Agreed with a slight modification — once you've kept the old {stable,~arch} version around for a reasonable amount of time (say 30 days), you should be safe pulling it. As long as there are no open bugs on the later ~arch version breaking other

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: location of portage tree

2012-03-31 Thread Graham Murray
Walter Dnes writes: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:26:22PM +1300, Kent Fredric wrote Though of course, if anybody has custom stuff in say, /usr/portage/local/ which they make by hand, nuking /usr/portage will make you *Very* unpopular.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: UEFI secure boot and Gentoo

2012-06-17 Thread Graham Murray
Sascha Cunz writes: You've said yourself, that some removable media might not require signatures in order to boot. Well, if that is the case, then isn't this defeating the whole point of Secure Boot at that stage? Not necessarily. As has been stated previously,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev - mdev

2012-07-14 Thread Graham Murray
Walter Dnes writes: On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 01:49:32AM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Richard Yao wrote: mdev would need to switch to the netlink hotplug interface. I think that's quite unlikely, since mdev is not a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Maintainer needed: dev-libs/icu

2012-11-01 Thread Graham Murray
Ryan Hill writes: Christ on a $#@%! crutch. You can NOT auto-enable C++11 in your library based on a configure test and then stuff flags that are not supported by previous compiler versions into pkg-config for library consumers. Somebody sane please fix this. Though is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ebuild documentation, needs updates?

2006-12-04 Thread Graham Murray
Alec Warner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This feature is not available in stable portage, which is why its not documented. And yes there are many other features that lack documentation. But should it not be documented in the ebuild man files which come with the versions of portage which *do*

Re: [gentoo-dev] Network configuration and bash

2007-02-06 Thread Graham Murray
Roy Marples [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: H, just how many features should a config file have beyond the setting of variables? In the case of networking, the ability to define the functions for the various hooks. In most systems these will not be needed, but where policy routing etc is used

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Distrowatch

2007-03-14 Thread Graham Murray
Caleb Cushing [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: right now were 12 going up probably from all the sites saying negative things. funny sabayon a gentoo fork and overlay is in 8. I know these statistics aren't 100% accurate (given how they're generated) but maybe they mean something. Maybe part of the

Re: [gentoo-dev] gnupg2 only vs gnupg-1 gnupg-2

2007-05-27 Thread Graham Murray
Ulrich Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would also strongly favor if both gnupg-1 and gnupg-2 could be kept in different slots. And maybe an eselect (or similar) to select whether external programs which call use gpg-1 or gpg-2. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Marking virtuals stable

2007-05-31 Thread Graham Murray
Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: for a virtual pointing to packages foo and bar, only one of them needs to be stable before the virtual can be marked as stable, right? So your above comment should read if a virtual points to packages foo and bar, and [either foo or bar

Re: [gentoo-dev] Should hotplugged services affect dependencies by default?

2007-08-15 Thread Graham Murray
Roy Marples [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If say you have nfs mounts, one network cable and then unplug the cable you get this :- netplug calls net.eth0 stop net.eth0 stop calls netmount stop netmount stop tries to unmount the nfs mounts At this point, the process freezes for a LONG

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Cryptsetup changes

2007-08-15 Thread Graham Murray
Mike Auty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could you please describe the problem you faced? From the detail you gave, it sounds as though you might not have moved /etc/conf.d/cryptfs to /etc/conf.d/dmcrypt. I had a problem. I moved /etc/conf.d/cryptfs to /etc/conf.d/dmcrypt, but none of the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: GCC 4.5 unmasking tomorrow

2010-11-22 Thread Graham Murray
Mike Frysinger writes: well, not quite. the way we agreed in the past was to not revbump the masked package, but once it was unmasked, we revbump it just once at that point. Is there somewhere which tells users when there are upgrades to toolchain packages which are not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 2.7 status check?

2010-11-29 Thread Graham Murray
Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis writes: 2010-11-29 01:26:19 Robin H. Johnson napisał(a): Sebastian Pipping recently removed automatic upgrade of active version of Python, so python-2.7.1.ebuild does not upgrade active version of Python. Sorry, but on one of my ~x86

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 2.7 status check?

2010-11-29 Thread Graham Murray
Ulrich Mueller writes: On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, Alex Alexander wrote: I guess it is triggered from pkg_postrm() of python-2.6.6-r1 which until two days ago unconditionally called the following eselect action: But as python-2.7 is installed into a new slot, python-2.6.x is kept,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 2.7 status check?

2010-11-29 Thread Graham Murray
Ulrich Mueller writes: I guess it is triggered from pkg_postrm() of python-2.6.6-r1 which until two days ago unconditionally called the following eselect action: But python-2.7 is installed in a new slot and python-2.6.x is not removed. So. surely python-2.6.6-r1's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 2.7 status check?

2010-11-29 Thread Graham Murray
Ulrich Mueller writes: But could pkg_postrm() of python-3.1.2-r4 have caused the update? It essentially executed the following code: Yes, that is what is doing it. I am in the middle of an emerge -uD world and I ran 'eselect python list' after 2.7.1 had been emerged and it

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Thoughts about broken package handling

2011-06-27 Thread Graham Murray
Ciaran McCreesh writes: The fix for that is to slot things properly. You're screwed anyway if a preserved library tries to access installed data that has either been removed or upgraded to a new format that it doesn't recognise. Or some awkward packages which

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in net-im/qutecom: metadata.xml ChangeLog qutecom-2.2_p20110210.ebuild

2011-10-02 Thread Graham Murray
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn writes: My point is that packages can cause downgrades through dependencies. There is no rule against it. Nearly all of which prevent the upgrade of the dependent package rather forcing the downgrade of an already installed package.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Build dependencies and upgrades.

2011-10-11 Thread Graham Murray
Zac Medico writes: On 10/11/2011 10:28 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: Francisco raised a possibly valid point in his original message: though packages may not be currently used for anything, but they could contain un-patched security flaws. If they contain something that's

Re: [gentoo-dev] supporting /usr on separate partition

2011-10-16 Thread Graham Murray
Zac Medico writes: What's the benefit of having /usr on a separate partition anyway? The only somewhat reasonable explanation that I've heard is so that it can be mounted readonly. One benefit, especially in a large server 'farm' is that several servers can share the same

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Global USE=gui

2016-06-01 Thread Graham Murray writes: > Let me re-phrase my question... is there *ANY* set of circumstances > under which any of X/xorg/wayland/mir/qt4/qt5/gtk2/gtk3/fltk USE flag > can be set for a package *WITHOUT* requiring a gui? Yes. X/xorg could be needed to incorporate the X Client libraries so