Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new eclass - pkgconfig.eclass

2012-11-29 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 28/11/12 08:26 PM, Richard Yao wrote: On 11/28/2012 05:21 PM, Michał Górny wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:49:14 +0100 Justin j...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi, and another one. Problem: Some packages aren't lucky and their buildsystem doesn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] blas .pc files (was RFC: new eclass - pkgconfig.eclass)

2012-11-29 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 29/11/12 09:56 AM, justin wrote: Standard autotools based packages always use --with-blas= so it is pretty simple for us to make it to --with-blas=$(pkg-config --libs blas) same thing goes for cmake and

Re: [gentoo-dev] blas .pc files (was RFC: new eclass - pkgconfig.eclass)

2012-11-29 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 29/11/12 11:09 AM, justin wrote: On 29/11/12 16:51, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 29/11/12 09:56 AM, justin wrote: Standard autotools based packages always use --with-blas= so it is pretty simple for us to make it to --with-blas=$(pkg

Re: [gentoo-dev] Using emerge-webrsync to simplify the handbook

2012-11-30 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 30/11/12 11:15 AM, Michael Mol wrote: On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Richard Yao r...@gentoo.org wrote: On 11/28/2012 11:08 AM, Matthew Thode wrote: On 11/28/2012 09:05 AM, Richard Yao wrote: On 11/28/2012 09:17 AM, Maxim Kammerer wrote:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Using emerge-webrsync to simplify the handbook

2012-11-30 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 30/11/12 12:30 PM, Alec Warner wrote: How about we not change the docs until someone eagerly implements all the stuff you just said? Well, using emerge-webrsync for grabbing the initial snapshot during an installation still makes sense

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Defaulting desktop profiles to net-nds/openldap[minimal]

2012-12-02 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 01/12/12 11:50 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: $ cat /usr/portage/net-nds/openldap/metadata.xml euse -i 'minimal' |grep openldap :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Packages up for grabs due lavajoe retirement

2012-12-02 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 02/12/12 03:35 AM, Michał Górny wrote: On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 02:20:07 + (UTC) Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: Rich Freeman posted on Sat, 01 Dec 2012 08:46:34 -0500 as excerpted: And if we force some types of packages to be masked

Re: [gentoo-dev] some questions about using subslots and EAPI5

2012-12-05 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05/12/12 04:42 AM, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: Suppose I am upgrading an existing ebuild for dev-libs/libfoo-2.5 to EAPI5 and adding a subslot, e.g. SLOT=2/5. Should I then add slotmove =dev-libs/libfoo-2.5 2 2/5 in profiles/updates? Or

Re: [gentoo-dev] some questions about using subslots and EAPI5

2012-12-05 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05/12/12 10:06 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 08:35:52 -0500 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: That said, it is recommended that you revbump for EAPI5; it is not strictly necessary, but without the revbump users

Re: Proxy maintainers in metadata.xml (was Re: [gentoo-dev] introduce a soft-limit policy for changing other developers ebuilds)

2012-12-06 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/12/12 10:27 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: [ Snip! ] In the last 15 hours I've dealt with several trivial bugs that I've found fixes for in bugzilla but which were not committed anywhere. I've committed them to my overlay and that's fine for me,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting EAPI 5 *use.stable.mask to work in gx86?

2012-12-10 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 10/12/12 04:27 PM, Michał Górny wrote: Hello, I think we're mostly aware what the use and benefits of the *use.stable.mask files are. They would be at least really useful in Python ebuilds, where we have to either: a) forcedly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 13/12/12 06:24 PM, Jeff Horelick wrote: On 13 December 2012 17:57, Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Jory A. Pratt anar...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-13 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 13/12/12 06:49 PM, William Hubbs wrote: For example, glibc-2.9 and gcc-2.95. I think that if we are going to keep things this old in the tree we need a good reason for them. iirc, gcc-2.95 and linux-2.4 (still used for some embedded systems)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 13/12/12 10:51 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 10:06:34PM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 13/12/12 06:49 PM, William Hubbs wrote: For example, glibc-2.9 and gcc-2.95. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting EAPI 5 *use.stable.mask to work in gx86?

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Remind me and the list again pls, why is this necessary rather than just using use.stable.mask and EAPI5 ebuilds in the regular profiles? This shouldn't break the tree with a non-EAPI5 portage as the files would just be ignored, as would the EAPI5

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Summary Council meeting: Tuesday 11 December 2012

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/12/12 01:28 PM, Greg KH wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:43:41AM +0100, Fabian Groffen wrote: Handling separate /usr support == After the discussion on [1] during the previous meeting, a delay of one month due

[gentoo-dev] Re: [e]udev , and please let's move this to a better location (was: Summary Council meeting: Tuesday 11 December 2012)

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/12/12 03:02 PM, Greg KH wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 02:05:27PM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: Eudev's project announcement is coming soon, should answer your questions. Ok, when is soon? It's being drafted as we speak, so

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Summary Council meeting: Tuesday 11 December 2012

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Everyone, given we already went through a major bikeshed a month ago, let's not do it again...? On 14/12/12 04:00 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: [ Snip! ] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [e]udev , and please let's move this to a better location

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/12/12 06:24 PM, Greg KH wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 04:09:34PM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 14/12/12 03:02 PM, Greg KH wrote: I'm guessing that the result of the council meeting meant that things are progressing, right? If so

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev distro vs upstream choices

2012-12-16 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 16/12/12 09:55 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 10:35:44PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote: On 12/15/2012 10:03 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 07:10:22PM -0500, Richard Yao wrote: On 12/15/2012 06:02 PM, William

Re: [gentoo-dev] College Course in Gentoo Development

2012-12-17 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/12/12 10:32 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: Hi everyone, Give the talk on the list about attracting devs, I've should probably mention that I'm teaching a College Course on Gentoo Development next semester. I know two students will most

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-18 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/12/12 06:23 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 01:31:59PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: Can this topic finally be put to rest please? There is a whole web page devoted to this topic, why do people blindly ignore it? This is a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-18 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 18/12/12 01:45 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 07:50:51AM +0100, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2012, William Hubbs wrote: This all started with the April 2012 council meeting when it was pushed through that separate

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-19 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 19/12/12 08:56 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: That's why my suggestion is to use /var/cache: it makes it clear that there is no definitive reason to back it up (as Justin said there is an issue with distfiles you can't re-download but that's

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-20 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 20/12/12 10:37 AM, Brian Dolbec wrote: /var/cache/repositories/ /var/cache/repositories/gentoo == the main portage tree /var/cache/repositories/local== the new location for a local overlay /var/cache/repositories/some-overlay ==

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-20 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 20/12/12 11:25 AM, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote: On 12/20/2012 11:16 AM, Michael Mol wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: On 20/12/12 10:37 AM, Brian Dolbec wrote: /var/cache/repositories/ /var

Re: [gentoo-dev] Is /var/cache the right place for repositories?

2012-12-20 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 20/12/12 12:27 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: The FHS says: /var/cache is intended for cached data from applications. Such data is locally generated as a result of time-consuming I/O or calculation. The application must be able to regenerate or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-20 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 20/12/12 12:52 PM, Vaeth wrote: However, I have strong objections against using /var/cache at all: FHS explicitly states: Such data is locally generated ... The application must be able to regenerate or restore the data. emerge --sync

[gentoo-dev] Keeping licenses around

2012-12-20 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 20/12/12 01:12 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: What about /usr/portage/licenses, for example? Some of the licenses are required to be present on the system if the corresponding software is installed. So users cannot legally remove them. ...

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-20 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 20/12/12 01:18 PM, George Shapovalov wrote: On Thursday 20 December 2012 13:36:27 Alan McKinnon wrote: What program uses this local directory? It's not used directly by portage itself, though portage has an exclude for it in the default

Re: [gentoo-dev] Moving our/portage stuff to var

2012-12-20 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 20/12/12 01:55 PM, George Shapovalov wrote: On Thursday 20 December 2012 13:21:11 Ian Stakenvicius wrote: Nope, he means /usr/portage/local, not /usr/local/portage. Alan's description *was* for /usr/portage/local Really? It matches /usr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Portage sets support Was: Defaulting for debug information in profiles

2012-12-20 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
sorry for the format, this was Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-20, at 4:51 PM, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:09:45 -0500 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: On 12/18/2012

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-21 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 21/12/12 03:10 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: An init* needs to be kept in sync with the rest of the system as well. Just to be clear, by init* you mean {initrd,initramfs} , correct? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)

Re: [gentoo-dev] call for testers: udev predictable network interface names

2013-01-10 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/01/13 11:21 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: [1] http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames So long as users retain the choice of keeping eth* or wlan*, no complaints from me. I (and others) came to

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using a CONFIGURATION (or SETUP) file under /usr/share/doc for configuration information

2013-01-12 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
On 2013-01-12, at 7:49 AM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: Still, it maybe it would be reasonable to use a different README.gentoo for each SLOT, it there's more than one? especially since that means no special logic is necessary when cleaning them up on uninstall...

Re: [gentoo-dev] Clarify log message?

2013-01-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/01/13 04:44 AM, Zac Medico wrote: On 01/14/2013 01:33 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: I've seen this pop up a lot recently: * One or more symlinks to directories have been preserved in order to * ensure that files installed via these symlinks

Re: [gentoo-dev] Clarify log message?

2013-01-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/01/13 09:57 AM, Zac Medico wrote: On 01/14/2013 06:46 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: This particular symlink was put there by openrc though, wasn't it? Yeah, openrc uses the migrate_to_run function from /etc/init.d/bootmisc. So I'd

Re: [gentoo-dev] Clarify log message?

2013-01-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/01/13 10:53 AM, Zac Medico wrote: On 01/14/2013 07:44 AM, Zac Medico wrote: On 01/14/2013 07:09 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: OK i'm a little confused. Putting my earlier note aside, if the symlink will be auto-cleaned after no packages use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Clarify log message?

2013-01-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/01/13 11:36 AM, Zac Medico wrote: On 01/14/2013 08:26 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 14/01/13 10:53 AM, Zac Medico wrote: On 01/14/2013 07:44 AM, Zac Medico wrote: On 01/14/2013 07:09 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: OK i'm a little confused

Re: [gentoo-dev] systemd/udev split

2013-01-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/01/13 01:06 PM, Oleksii Shevchuk wrote: Hi list! After introducing eudev, is there any reason to do systemd/udev split? Ask in 6 months to a year, after eudev is fully established and has a solid track record. -BEGIN PGP

Re: [gentoo-dev] Lifting the HOMEPAGE requirement for ebuilds

2013-01-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/01/13 03:15 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El lun, 14-01-2013 a las 18:15 +0100, hasufell escribió: [...] +1 to allow empty/missing HOMEPAGE variable dead homepage = useless http://gentoo.org = useless https://bugs.gentoo.org = too obvious

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names

2013-01-15 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/01/13 09:48 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 01:25:01AM +0100, Peter Stuge wrote: William Hubbs wrote: I have a bug opened with the docs team and release engineering to discuss whether we want the new names for new

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-15 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15/01/13 02:20 AM, Michael Weber wrote: Hi folks, this commit changes the set of USE flags on the just stabled gcc-4.6, running a huge number into an rebuild of an freshly updated package. (emerge --newuse recaclulates from go disabled to

Re: [gentoo-dev] call for testers: udev predictable network interface names

2013-01-15 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15/01/13 04:16 AM, Michael Weber wrote: Hi, This can have serious security implications [1] For whom? I think the idea there is that a user expects eth0 and eth1 to stay the same, writes iptables rules on a per-interface basis to control

Re: [gentoo-dev] call for testers: udev predictable network interface names

2013-01-15 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15/01/13 03:42 AM, Michael Weber wrote: e) Some distro/driver constellations (archlinux?) tend to name their wireless lan eth*. [...] e) never happened to me. It has for me, but not for a *LONG* time -- iirc it was prior to 2.6.16 and I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-15 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15/01/13 09:16 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: I'd make it easy-to-remember though - either a one-letter option, or something short. +1. Maybe just -U? Some open

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-15 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15/01/13 09:39 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: BTW, what happened with -u? I still use it because I'm used to it, but it seems to have gone away (i.e. I can't find it in the current man page). It's there: --update (-u)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-15 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15/01/13 09:39 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: Bikeshedding, but I'm thinking that it would be better to provide a whole separate command for this rather than a quicker

Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...

2013-01-16 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 16/01/13 08:32 AM, Panagiotis Christopoulos wrote: On 00:36 Wed 16 Jan , Andreas K. Huettel wrote: several people have pointed out to me that the 10.0 - 13.0 transition would be a good moment to finally remove the (also in my opinion

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-16 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 16/01/13 11:49 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/16/2013 11:47 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/16/2013 11:36 AM, Michael Weber wrote: emerge --upgrade with a predefined EMERGE_UPGRADE_OPTS in make.conf (where EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS lives).

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-16 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 16/01/13 11:47 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/16/2013 11:36 AM, Michael Weber wrote: emerge --upgrade with a predefined EMERGE_UPGRADE_OPTS in make.conf (where EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS lives). +1 so I can stop adding --oneshot onto every

Re: [gentoo-dev] revdep-rebuild bikeshedding

2013-01-16 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 16/01/13 03:43 PM, Paul Varner wrote: All: Time for some bikeshedding :) For the gentoolkit-0.3.0 series, I removed any filtering of emerge options set in EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPS for revdep-rebuild. This has caused some people to complain

Re: [gentoo-dev] call for testers: udev predictable network interface names

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 16/01/13 09:55 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: SUBSYSTEM==tty, DRIVERS==pl2303, KERNELS==4-1:1.0, KERNEL==ttyUSB*, SYMLINK=mythser/rca1 I'm not sure if rules are additive - if these symlinks would show up in addition to whatever other ones are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 16/01/13 10:24 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Michael Weber x...@gentoo.org wrote: how does portage @preserved-libs work? maybe we could emerge @update[s] and @glsa. @glsa actually makes a lot of sense. I'm not

[gentoo-dev] Re: Debian patching KDE to use /etc for configuration

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/01/13 12:36 AM, Alec Warner wrote: for example, on ubuntu: org.debian.apt.policy contains the policies for apt. action id=org.debian.apt.install-or-remove-packages description gettext-domain=aptdaemonInstall or remove

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using a CONFIGURATION (or SETUP) file under /usr/share/doc for configuration information

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/01/13 11:00 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: Another try ;) There doesn't seem to be any logic here to check if the README.gentoo that was previously installed has differed from the one that will be installed (if they differ then the changes

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using a CONFIGURATION (or SETUP) file under /usr/share/doc for configuration information

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/01/13 12:02 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: How could we handle different compressors people can use? Depending on that README.gentoo will change its name ending with gz, bz2, xz... Maybe we could use README.gentoo*... Right; I didn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/01/13 11:31 AM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/17/2013 09:52 AM, Zac Medico wrote: I strongly believe that it shouldn't; nevertheless, it does. You can avoid this by adding --select=n to EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS. Then, if you want to add

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using a CONFIGURATION (or SETUP) file under /usr/share/doc for configuration information

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/01/13 11:47 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 07:47:18 -0800 Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: REPLACING_VERSIONS always refers to packages with identical SLOT to the current package No it doesn't. If you have foo-1:a

[gentoo-dev] in-place SLOT updates on ebuilds?

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/01/13 12:15 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17/01/13 11:47 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: If you have foo-1:a and foo-2:b installed, and then you install foo-1:b, it replaces both 1:a and 2:b

Re: [gentoo-dev] in-place SLOT updates on ebuilds?

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17/01/13 12:30 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:25:46 -0500 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17/01/13 12:15 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: On 17/01/13 11:47 AM, Ciaran McCreesh

Re: update commands / world file pollution Re: [gentoo-dev] Stable sys-devel/gcc USE flag changes WAS: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in eclass: ChangeLog toolchain.eclass

2013-01-18 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 18/01/13 03:13 AM, Michael Weber wrote: I wonder if anybody uses unattended [backup+]emerge as cron job. I'm really temped to do so, but with users relying on these machines I'm always chicken-out. I used to, up until around 2006-2007 ,

Re: [gentoo-dev] call for testers: udev predictable network interface names

2013-01-18 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 18/01/13 07:24 AM, viv...@gmail.com wrote: Since for servers predictable names are useful and for desktop (which usually have only one ethernet that never change) Is it possible to set desktop profiles to still use ethX, and base profile to

Re: [gentoo-dev] call for testers: udev predictable network interface names

2013-01-18 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 18/01/13 09:54 AM, William Hubbs wrote: On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 08:33:13AM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 18/01/13 07:24 AM, viv...@gmail.com wrote: Since for servers predictable names

Re: [gentoo-dev] USE flags dri, cups, pppd

2013-01-19 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 19/01/13 05:33 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:18 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: I'm not sure whether we need to keep cups at all. I haven't printed anything from my personal PC or laptop in years. And I'm sure

Re: [gentoo-dev] removing the server profiles...

2013-01-19 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 19/01/13 05:47 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: Actually, that is what I would expect from the more basic oriented ones like Arch and Debian. Printer support should be an optional add-on, not part of the basic install. Maybe I'm too idealistic...

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-19 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 19/01/13 05:56 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: And if you really must, is emerge qt/gui so much more difficult than emerge qt-gui? ..no, but having to specify media-libs/phonon now because qt/phonon conflicts (just one of probably many examples)

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: new qt category

2013-01-19 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: Maybe x11-qt, or dev-qt, or just qt, or qt-qt if we must have a hyphen for its own sake and we're just making senseless stuff up. qt-core just doesn't make sense if it applies

Re: [gentoo-dev] Subslots progress in main tree

2013-01-24 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 23/01/13 03:42 PM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: Hi guys, do we have some scans that report libraries converted to subslots and lists their rdeps checked if they are updated accordingly? It might be pretty usefull to actually see where the deps

Re: [gentoo-dev] news item for udev 197-r3 upgrade (yes, I know, it's late)

2013-01-24 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 23/01/13 05:21 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El mié, 23-01-2013 a las 23:45 +0200, Samuli Suominen escribió: On 23/01/13 23:21, Pacho Ramos wrote: El mié, 23-01-2013 a las 15:14 +0200, Samuli Suominen escribió: please review this news item, seems

Re: [gentoo-dev] Subslots progress in main tree

2013-01-24 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 24/01/13 11:39 AM, Zac Medico wrote: On 01/24/2013 07:15 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: In general, I would recommend for any library maintainers, to either file bugs against the rdeps of a package or directly update the rdeps (with permission

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: CONFIG_CHECK_FATAL, making CONFIG_CHECKS fatal by default

2013-01-24 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 24/01/13 01:09 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote: That said, presumably udisks would choose not to make its check fatal, altho changing the default to fatal could complicate things

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: CONFIG_CHECK_FATAL, making CONFIG_CHECKS fatal by default

2013-01-24 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 24/01/13 01:55 PM, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/24/13 13:25, Rich Freeman wrote: On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: a fatal die in pkg_pretend could be circumvented by an environment variable

Re: [gentoo-dev] news item for udev 197-r3 upgrade (yes, I know, it's late)

2013-01-25 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 25/01/13 04:19 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: Also, after installing udev-197, are there any negative consequences to just downgrading to -171 again? Depends on

Re: [gentoo-dev] frozen overlay Re: Please stop useless removals

2013-02-01 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 01/02/13 05:53 AM, Michael Weber wrote: Sunrise commit access is limited to sunrise devs. And I see the _rise_ in context of software and devs. I don't say sundown, ..there once was a sunset overlay, wasn't there? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Please stop useless removals

2013-02-01 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 01/02/13 06:20 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 01/02/2013 12:11, Rich Freeman wrote: I do think it is a loss for Gentoo if we start removing packages simply because they don't change (which is all a dead upstream means - it isn't always a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Please stop useless removals

2013-02-01 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 01/02/13 08:56 AM, Wulf C. Krueger wrote: On 01.02.2013 14:47, Rich Freeman wrote: And how will you get to know about current or future security issues if nobody (in Gentoo) cares about the package? The same way that you know about security

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due caster lack of time

2013-02-02 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
On 2013-02-02, at 7:20 AM, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: After talking with him we agreed to have the following packages up for grabs: sci-geosciences/googleearth media-gfx/picasa (will probably be treecleaned as upstream dropped linux suppport time ago) I just tried installing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add test to IUSE_IMPLICIT

2013-02-02 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
On 2013-02-02, at 6:50 PM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 23:33:26 + Aaron W. Swenson titanof...@gentoo.org wrote:. First of all, you should note that you will still need to add IUSE=test to pre-EAPI 5 ebuilds. Secondly, what about all the ebuilds which

Re: [gentoo-dev] /var/run or /run for init scripts?

2013-02-06 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/02/13 08:55 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 06/02/2013 14:52, Markos Chandras wrote: I see a lot of inconsistencies in the init scripts. Some of them are using /var/run, others use /run. I just checked my box, and there is no /var/run

[gentoo-dev] The /run migration

2013-02-06 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/02/13 09:02 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 06/02/2013 14:58, Markos Chandras wrote: Thanks. Would it made sense to symlink /var/run - /run so we don't end up with stable entries in /var/run directory? Some of my init scripts appear to

Re: [gentoo-dev] The /run migration

2013-02-06 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/02/13 09:18 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 06/02/13 09:02 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 06/02/2013 14:58, Markos Chandras wrote: Thanks. Would it made sense to symlink /var/run - /run so we don't end up with stable entries in /var/run

Re: [gentoo-dev] The /run migration

2013-02-06 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/02/13 09:53 AM, Markos Chandras wrote: On 6 February 2013 14:18, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: So, *my* systems do have /var/run - /run , which means at some point the /run migration did happen and compatibility symlinks were

Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory

2013-02-08 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 08/02/13 01:14 PM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: 2013/2/8 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu: On 08/02/2013 18:53, Samuli Suominen wrote: Then intrested parties get to fix what they want and unmask? I would say that we might want to review

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: On the good usage of subslots

2013-02-11 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/02/13 07:52 AM, Alexis Ballier wrote: On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 23:38:35 +1100 Michael Palimaka kensing...@gentoo.org wrote: I even noticed some maintainers adding subslots dependencies on libraries that do not yet define subslots. This too

Re: [gentoo-dev] On the good usage of subslots

2013-02-11 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
On 2013-02-11, at 3:53 PM, James Cloos cl...@jhcloos.com wrote: AB == Alexis Ballier aball...@gentoo.org writes: AB Well, if we have to advertise the usage of this option that basically AB disables subslot rebuilds, it only means we are doing something AB seriously wrong with subslots :=)

Re: Graveyard overlay (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: games-strategy/x2, games-strategy/x2-demo)

2013-02-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/02/13 10:33 AM, George Shapovalov wrote: On Thursday 14 February 2013 21:03:55 Ben de Groot wrote: On 14 February 2013 20:25, George Shapovalov geo...@gentoo.org wrote: Um, what about the sunset overlay? IIRC, it was used/intended

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/02/13 04:55 PM, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote: On 02/14/2013 04:31 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: Hi guys and girls, We hereby announce the formation of the Graveyard project [1]. It aims to provide users with an overlay for packages removed

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] RFC: Graveyard project

2013-02-15 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 15/02/13 08:10 AM, Cyprien Nicolas wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 01:48:34PM +0100, Cyprien Nicolas wrote: Not really, this works when the bug is opened against a given package from an overlay. Diego's raised issue is about some *DEPEND

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: linux-firmware

2013-02-21 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 21/02/13 12:26 PM, Greg KH wrote: Permission is hereby granted for the distribution [...] as part of a Linux or other Open Source operating system kernel What is wrong with that? We happen to be distributing a Linux operating system.

Re: [gentoo-dev] [discussion] GitHub eclass

2013-02-22 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 22/02/13 04:51 AM, Kent Fredric wrote: On 22 February 2013 20:43, Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote: On 22/02/2013 08:37, Kent Fredric wrote: I'd make sure to add some sort of easy support to switch to snapshotted tar.gz

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [discussion] GitHub eclass

2013-02-22 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 22/02/13 11:19 AM, Duncan wrote: Rich Freeman posted on Fri, 22 Feb 2013 10:09:32 -0500 as excerpted: On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: You can also use git-2 eclass-specific variables to switch the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: app-text/cuneiform

2013-03-24 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 24/03/13 11:19 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: Markos Chandras wrote: A per-ebuild bug metric would be cool. A kind of health indicator for individual ebuilds, alerting users when some of our installed ebuilds go yellow, so that we have perhaps on the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt

2013-03-29 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I don't have enough time to go through the rest of this thread, but if the first sentence hasn't been adjusted yet: On 29/03/13 08:20 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: If you still have network interface renaming rules in /etc/udev/rules.d, like

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpng 1.6 upgrade and subslotting (and misuse of subslotting when there is also normal slotting)

2013-04-05 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
On 2013-04-05, at 5:17 PM, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: El vie, 05-04-2013 a las 23:44 +0300, Samuli Suominen escribió: [...] Plus some hundreds are completely without subslotting: $ grep -r 'media-libs/libpng' */*/*.ebuild |grep -v ':.*=' output - http://bpaste.net/show/89268/

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpng 1.6 upgrade and subslotting (and misuse of subslotting when there is also normal slotting)

2013-04-05 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05/04/13 09:52 PM, Ben de Groot wrote: On 6 Apr, 2013 4:46 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org mailto:ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: libpng 1.6 is in portage, but temporarily without KEYWORDS, pending on testign and this conversion,

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpng 1.6 upgrade and subslotting (and misuse of subslotting when there is also normal slotting)

2013-04-07 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/04/13 10:33 AM, Alexis Ballier wrote: On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 22:18:22 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: Revbump -- very important in this case, as the slot-operator dep (iirc) does not take effect to allow sub-slot-triggered

Re: [gentoo-dev] libpng 1.6 upgrade and subslotting (and misuse of subslotting when there is also normal slotting)

2013-04-07 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06/04/13 11:27 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: I concurr. Plus it was decided a couple of months back that everyone should revbump or version bump when migrating to EAPI5 (if not all future EAPIs). The main issue, as I recall, with libpng system

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to normal users

2013-05-08 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 08/05/13 11:49 AM, Ben de Groot wrote: On 8 May 2013 23:39, Fabio Erculiani lx...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: On 1 May 2013 18:04, Fabio Erculiani lx...@gentoo.org wrote: It looks

Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to normal users

2013-05-08 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 08/05/13 12:06 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote: On 8 May 2013 23:39, Fabio Erculiani lx...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:

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