Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012)

2012-11-23 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 11/19/2012 9:39 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org wrote: Correct me if wrong, but didn't the issue start with udev wanting to put the PCI ID database/file into /usr/share from /etc? Well, I can't vouch for what the first issue

[gentoo-dev] Re: About dropping mips-kernel herd

2013-01-20 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 01/20/2013 4:23 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: Looks like no package is included in it, I think we should drop that herd then Do you agree? Yeah, I am the only maintainer of mips-sources anyways. Any problems with that package should go to me or the mips herd direct. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo

[gentoo-dev] Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]

2012-03-12 Thread Joshua Kinard
mounted fairly quickly, but not before udevd starts. But udevd does restart itself and everything looks to work fine. If you aren't watching the terminal, you wouldn't even notice the failures. Cheers, -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us

Re: [gentoo-dev] Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]

2012-03-12 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 03/12/2012 21:37, Kent Fredric wrote: On 13 March 2012 14:22, Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org wrote: I thought this up on a whim, it hasn't been tested nor vetted. It's largely meant as a joke, but also to provoke discussion on the current filesystem design and the direction we're getting

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: unmasking udev-181

2012-03-13 Thread Joshua Kinard
tools. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between. --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]

2012-03-13 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 03/13/2012 07:54, James Broadhead wrote: On 13 March 2012 01:22, Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org wrote: We should be working to getting rid of /usr and bring it all back into /, then create temporary /usr symlinks to point programs in the right direction. After all, /usr was originally

Re: [gentoo-dev] Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]

2012-03-13 Thread Joshua Kinard
seems to be to modularize everything these days, even stuff like the core disk drivers, then build those core modules into an initramfs that the kernel cherrypicks from at boot. That's the perception, anyways, and one which I don't really get. Correct me if I'm wrong... -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: unmasking udev-181

2012-03-13 Thread Joshua Kinard
choice of running a Linux box. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between. --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: unmasking udev-181

2012-03-14 Thread Joshua Kinard
will assume/require it before /they/ come up. Ah, bluetooth keyboards. The luddite in me finds those quite the oddity. I still use only PS/2, specifically because it's less complex and less likely to fail on me in a time of need. Or, put more comically: http://megatokyo.com/strip/305 -- Joshua

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-14 Thread Joshua Kinard
ago. As well as a few other nitpicks I have. It bugs me to no end that, despite running a fairly vanilla setup on a source-based distro whose original inspiration came from BSD ports, I am still affected by a decision made by RH. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
? Nope. Just an interesting observation. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between. --Emperor Turhan, Centauri

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
security guide, but I'm sure if you dig on the Wayback Machine (once it comes back online), you can probably find these references. Search from 2003 to 2007. I'm not certain when they were removed. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
:) Not supported by whom? udev? Or Gentoo? -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between. --Emperor Turhan, Centauri

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
distro, although it's possible to run Gentoo in a binary fashion. As such, we're not necessarily beholden to the one-size-fits-all approach. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
wouldn't be having this discussion. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between. --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
dependency chain and you sometimes have to include packages that you don't necessarily care for because they're required by a package that you do want to use. We have USE flags to resolve that issue. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
utility that was like udev and which took care of that one little element, I think I'd be able to boot my systems up just fine. Is it futureproof? Not really. I imagine plugging USB mass storage devices into a udevless system might be problematic. Food for thought. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
there. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between. --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic signature.asc Description

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
://packages.debian.org/squeeze/file-rc -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between. --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
vanish into thin air. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between. --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem! [was newsitem: unmasking udev-181]

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
for NetWare's old SYS:\ volume, but that's already taken by sysfs. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between. --Emperor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: newsitem: unmasking udev-181

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 03/14/2012 17:13, Walter Dnes wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 08:07:07AM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote Ah, bluetooth keyboards. The luddite in me finds those quite the oddity. I still use only PS/2, specifically because it's less complex and less likely to fail on me in a time of need

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
enable CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC, you're essentially turning on (or utilizing) an initramfs accessible via /proc. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
(at least the server. I tunnel 2-5 X11 apps over SSH, however). -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between. --Emperor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
someone or something comes along and declares that what used to JustWork(TM) now NoLongerWorks(TM). Does that mean my dissent matters? Probably not. But that's not going to stop me from trying. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Let's redesign the entire filesystem!

2012-03-15 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 03/15/2012 10:41, Greg KH wrote: There's always mudev if you don't want to run udev, good luck with that. Got a link? We don't have anything matching in the tree, and Google turns up nothing relevant in the first few pages. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3

Re: [gentoo-dev] Undocumented and unused USE variables

2012-03-16 Thread Joshua Kinard
to something newer. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between. --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic

Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook

2012-03-28 Thread Joshua Kinard
a whistling sound without totally destroying the disk would be pretty awesome... -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between

Re: [gentoo-dev] Relicensing sys-freebsd/* under the BSD-2 license

2012-03-30 Thread Joshua Kinard
, sometimes you just find entire chunks of BSD code in Linux, complete with only the BSD copyright block: See drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/queue.h -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives

Re: [gentoo-dev] Happy 10th birthday (in advance)

2012-03-30 Thread Joshua Kinard
. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between. --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic signature.asc Description: OpenPGP

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012)

2012-11-17 Thread Joshua Kinard
!, and then go off and do so without any formal planning or even a rough idea of how to start. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes, you just roll dice. That's what keeps life interesting. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012)

2012-11-18 Thread Joshua Kinard
off of a system. Do I like them there? Not really (unless I'm developing a kernel driver, then modules come in handy). But it is what it is. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012)

2012-11-18 Thread Joshua Kinard
the initramfs and it avoids having to backup/format/restore each system. Obviously, if I need more advanced functionality on any of my systems, I'll probably have to switch back, but we'll see what the future holds. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-ng? (Was: Summary Council meeting Tuesday 13 November 2012)

2012-11-18 Thread Joshua Kinard
package itself, as it holds the master hardware database. But that's a totally different topic than the one at hand, and is still being worked on by the developers of the different upstream packages. Okay, maybe it's just the kmod thing I am thinking of then. Thanks! -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: using /libexec

2011-09-07 Thread Joshua Kinard
this small or find another way to do things. Are there possibilities about breaking off just a small piece of openrc and putting that into /run (or /boot)? Enough of the core scripts so that it can find /usr and mount it before continuing? - -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: using /libexec

2011-09-08 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 09/07/2011 20:35, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org wrote: Never once have I had any issues with separate / and /usr, and none of them use an initramfs. Ditto here, but that doesn't mean that problems don't exist. Right now

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: using /libexec

2011-09-08 Thread Joshua Kinard
packages just so that we can be different. Isn't this what we do already? :) -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: using /libexec

2011-09-08 Thread Joshua Kinard
outage will be. Last thing I need on my plate is a Linux box not coming back online because separate /usr was suddenly deprecated. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away

Re: [gentoo-dev] fhs and multilib question

2011-09-11 Thread Joshua Kinard
an as-needed basis, typically where a program derives a benefit from being true 64bit versus one of the other two. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment

Re: [gentoo-dev] fhs and multilib question

2011-09-11 Thread Joshua Kinard
, didn't start until 1998). So Linux support for n32 has been literal eons in the making. It is seriously old school stuff here. I was just starting middle school when n32 became standard. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present

[gentoo-dev] A big thanks to Matt Turner for his hard work on Gentoo/MIPS

2011-09-11 Thread Joshua Kinard
in making Gentoo/MIPS a viable element of the Gentoo project one again! Thanks Matt! -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH eutils] Introduce has_iuse() for IUSE checks.

2011-09-13 Thread Joshua Kinard
); do $(cake) fi Thinking from just a general pronunciation perspective, though. Assuming someone reads that as If in eye-use... or If eye-use contains 'has_iuse' Almost reads as has issues ..., hence, if has issues; then ($cake) $(grief_counseling) -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH eutils] Introduce has_iuse() for IUSE checks.

2011-09-13 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 09/13/2011 06:46, Michał Górny wrote: Guess just a typo but for the record: No, just a Portal joke :) -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] obs eclasses

2011-09-13 Thread Joshua Kinard
[[ ]]: http://devmanual.gentoo.org/tools-reference/bash/index.html Oh, forgot, it won't break initscripts, will it? -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-19 Thread Joshua Kinard
it. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between. --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic signature.asc Description

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-19 Thread Joshua Kinard
), then that's a bug and someone needs to write a patch and send it upstream. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev and /usr

2011-09-19 Thread Joshua Kinard
else do we have more USE flags than the entirety of the IPv6 address space? (okay, I'm stretching that last a sentence a fair bit ...) -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-19 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 09/19/2011 04:25, Alec Warner wrote: If 'someone' needs to write a patch then I assume you will volunteer? My C is getting better. Don't tempt me... -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-19 Thread Joshua Kinard
if need be in /etc, or find some other clever solution. We've got enough people here; someone oughta be able to figure something out. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-19 Thread Joshua Kinard
=linux-hotplugm=131206447302056w=2 Really, MacOS's filesystem layout is not something anyone in their right mind should deign to mimic/copy. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-19 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 09/19/2011 07:17, Arun Raghavan wrote: On 19 September 2011 16:07, Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org wrote: [...] Yes, but some of us don't even want to have that initramfs built into our kernels. And no one, other than freedesktop.org* and a few people on linux-hotplug-devel*, said

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-19 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 09/19/2011 13:36, Greg KH wrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 06:37:49AM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote: On 09/19/2011 05:10, Michał Górny wrote: Could we stop putting random stuff in random dirs because 'it will work'? /etc is _SYSCONFDIR_. I don't see how PCI IDs are config at all. The best

Re: [gentoo-dev] x32 fun pants

2011-09-19 Thread Joshua Kinard
/n64 mess to light with its author? -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between. --Emperor Turhan, Centauri

Re: [gentoo-dev] x32 fun pants

2011-09-19 Thread Joshua Kinard
x32 and n32 can see the old n32 ABI guide here: ftp://ftp.linux-mips.org/pub/linux/mips/doc/ABI2/MIPS-N32-ABI-Handbook.pdf -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment

Re: [gentoo-dev] udev and /usr

2011-09-19 Thread Joshua Kinard
be compiled to run on super computers or cable boxes. And I see yet another reference to MacOS's /System in that link, too... -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away

Re: [gentoo-dev] News item draft for =sys-fs/udev-209 upgrade

2014-02-25 Thread Joshua Kinard
, this might be a good item to document somewhere (possibly the wiki), so people aren't confused and add the wrong directories to INSTALL_MASK (or other relevant variables) -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future

Re: [gentoo-dev] News draft #2 for the udev-210 upgrade (was: 209 upgrade)

2014-02-25 Thread Joshua Kinard
DMI drivers/firmware/Kconfig:91:config DMIID drivers/firmware/Kconfig:100:config DMI_SYSFS So all non-x86/ia64 systems (amd64/x86_64, too??) probably need to ignore this CONFIG_* item. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses

Re: AW: Re: [gentoo-dev] News item draft for =sys-fs/udev-209 upgrade

2014-02-25 Thread Joshua Kinard
also not using that on my x86_64 box and it boots fine, so YMMV. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between

Re: [gentoo-dev] News draft #2 for the udev-210 upgrade (was: 209 upgrade)

2014-02-25 Thread Joshua Kinard
://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between. --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic

Re: [gentoo-dev] News draft #2 for the udev-210 upgrade (was: 209 upgrade)

2014-02-26 Thread Joshua Kinard
that, sysvinit is deprecated (last release was almost 4 years ago, too). Most future Linux systems that are based off of mainstream distributions will *have* to use systemd+udev in order to achieve maximum functionality. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts

Re: [gentoo-dev] News draft #2 for the udev-210 upgrade (was: 209 upgrade)

2014-02-26 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 02/26/2014 6:44 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: Joshua Kinard wrote: Most future Linux systems that are based off of mainstream distributions will *have* to use systemd+udev in order to achieve maximum functionality. Certainly! Clarification: I wasn't implying that that was entirely a good thing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Possibility of overriding user defined INSTALL_MASK from an ebuild?

2014-02-28 Thread Joshua Kinard
switch to it one day down the road and forget that I have that var set. That'll definitely cause issues for me then, and I'll be major herp-derping when I finally remember to delete that line from make.conf. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Possibility of overriding user defined INSTALL_MASK from an ebuild?

2014-02-28 Thread Joshua Kinard
into the live filesystem. That should eliminate this particular scenario. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between

Re: [gentoo-dev] FHS or not (WAS: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-03-11)

2014-02-28 Thread Joshua Kinard
or Embedded stuff. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between. --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic

Re: [gentoo-dev] Possibility of overriding user defined INSTALL_MASK from an ebuild?

2014-02-28 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 03/01/2014 12:28 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 01/03/14 04:55, Joshua Kinard wrote: 3. Some profiles also override INSTALL_MASK, such as Gentoo/FreeBSD, because systemd does not apply there. Wow. I don't think we should allow this without first having exactly what was suggested

[gentoo-dev] Make udev optional in net-wireless/bluez?

2014-03-08 Thread Joshua Kinard
use cases where a separate libbluetooth package would be useful? Omphalos: http://nick-black.com/dankwiki/index.php/Omphalos -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away

Re: [gentoo-dev] Make udev optional in net-wireless/bluez?

2014-03-09 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 03/08/2014 9:55 PM, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: On Sat, 2014-03-08 at 21:23 -0500, Joshua Kinard wrote: So I want to try and play around with a particular network domination tool on my home network, Omphalos. However, its current configure script has a hard dependency on bluetooth.h, part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Make udev optional in net-wireless/bluez?

2014-03-10 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 03/10/2014 2:59 AM, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: On Mon, 2014-03-10 at 01:45 -0400, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: On Sun, 2014-03-09 at 23:22 -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote: On 03/08/2014 9:55 PM, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: On Sat, 2014-03-08 at 21:23 -0500, Joshua Kinard wrote: So I want to try

Re: [gentoo-dev] Make udev optional in net-wireless/bluez?

2014-03-10 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 03/10/2014 5:55 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: On 10/03/14 10:48, Joshua Kinard wrote: On 03/10/2014 2:59 AM, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: On Mon, 2014-03-10 at 01:45 -0400, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: On Sun, 2014-03-09 at 23:22 -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote: On 03/08/2014 9:55 PM, Alexandre

Re: [gentoo-dev] Make udev optional in net-wireless/bluez?

2014-03-10 Thread Joshua Kinard
in omphalos or create a libbluetooth package that provides the header/libs that'd satisfy the build condition. We've done it before, but I'll have to look into it at another time. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us

Re: [gentoo-dev] Make udev optional in net-wireless/bluez?

2014-03-12 Thread Joshua Kinard
use bluetooth on a daily basis). -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between. --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Joshua Kinard
five tags + 'all'). As for default tags when a package does not define any, the package category gets split at the hyphen and becomes two independent tags. This is overridden when at least one tag is defined in metadata.xml. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 03/23/2014 17:05, Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 2014-03-23, o godz. 16:27:43 Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On 03/23/2014 15:44, Michał Górny wrote: Tags, on the other hand, are more 'live'. They place the package somewhere in the 'global' tag hierarchy that can change over time

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 03/23/2014 17:51, Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 2014-03-23, o godz. 17:40:20 Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On 03/23/2014 17:05, Michał Górny wrote: Dnia 2014-03-23, o godz. 16:27:43 Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On 03/23/2014 15:44, Michał Górny wrote: Tags

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC GLEP 1005: Package Tags

2014-03-23 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 03/23/2014 19:18, Kent Fredric wrote: On 24 March 2014 11:54, Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org wrote: That said, Is XML that specific that every single atom has to be wrapped by an individual tag? A comma-separated list of values in its own XML tag is prohibited by the spec? I don't use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Possibility of overriding user defined INSTALL_MASK from an ebuild?

2014-03-28 Thread Joshua Kinard
the underlying protocol(s). The fact that 21st century global business runs on top of antiquated, ASCII-based, non-secure protocols developed in the 1970's simply floors me. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future

Re: [gentoo-dev] Make udev optional in net-wireless/bluez?

2014-04-05 Thread Joshua Kinard
is like on the other side! -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between. --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic

Re: [gentoo-dev] Make udev optional in net-wireless/bluez?

2014-04-05 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 04/05/2014 07:13, Peter Stuge wrote: Joshua Kinard wrote: I guess this is more of a question to be asked to the bluez developers why they even allow the bluez configure script to make udev optional. Isn't the maintainer supposed to already know? I would hope so. The general consensus

[gentoo-dev] virtual/sctp to choose the right SCTP lib for Linux/FreeBSD?

2014-04-05 Thread Joshua Kinard
on properly upgrading an ebuild to become multilib-aware. Can one of the multilib experts check things and let me know what is needed if people agree this is a good way to go down? Otherwise, I'll commit the change to OpenSSL above and resolve that bug. Thanks!, -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku

Re: [gentoo-dev] virtual/sctp to choose the right SCTP lib for Linux/FreeBSD?

2014-04-06 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 04/06/2014 04:49, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Sat, 05 Apr 2014, Joshua Kinard wrote: I've attached a first draft of virtual/sctp/sctp-0.ebuild, which passes repoman checks, but I think it needs to be made multilib-aware. Additionally, that means lksctp-tools probably needs some multilib

Re: [gentoo-dev] virtual/sctp to choose the right SCTP lib for Linux/FreeBSD?

2014-04-06 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 04/06/2014 16:06, Joshua Kinard wrote: On 04/06/2014 04:49, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Sat, 05 Apr 2014, Joshua Kinard wrote: I've attached a first draft of virtual/sctp/sctp-0.ebuild, which passes repoman checks, but I think it needs to be made multilib-aware. Additionally, that means

Re: [gentoo-dev] virtual/sctp to choose the right SCTP lib for Linux/FreeBSD?

2014-04-08 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 04/06/2014 17:05, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Sun, 06 Apr 2014, Joshua Kinard wrote: Derp, since this is a virtual for a linkable library, set DEPEND first, then RDEPEND to ${DEPEND}. No, setting RDEPEND (as it was in your previous version) in the virtual is enough. The package

Re: [gentoo-dev] Why is IUSE=hpn mandatory in openssh ?

2014-04-09 Thread Joshua Kinard
for it and attach their patch there. Refs: 1. https://bugzilla.mindrot.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2016 -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost

[gentoo-dev] Akamai secure memory allocator for OpenSSL?

2014-04-13 Thread Joshua Kinard
=139698608410938w=2 2. http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/heartbleed-vs-mallocconf 3. http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/analysis-of-openssl-freelist-reuse 4. http://marc.info/?l=openssl-usersm=139723710923076w=2 5. http://marc.info/?l=openssl-usersm=139723972124003w=2 -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku

Re: [gentoo-dev] Akamai secure memory allocator for OpenSSL?

2014-04-13 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 04/13/2014 20:17, Patrick Lauer wrote: On 04/14/2014 04:42 AM, Joshua Kinard wrote: So one of the side-discussions happening after Heartbleed was the fact that OpenSSL has its own memory allocator code that effectively mitigates any C library-provided exploit mitigations (as discussed

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LTO use in the tree

2014-04-27 Thread Joshua Kinard
GCC will take to build itself w/ LTO. The O2 already needs ~18hrs for 4.8. I haven't tried 4.9 on it yet. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LTO use in the tree

2014-04-27 Thread Joshua Kinard
engineer perspective I'd like to toss in my opinion [snip] What compiler, out of curiosity? -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LTO use in the tree

2014-04-27 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 04/27/2014 19:08, Rich Freeman wrote: On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Joshua Kinard ku...@gentoo.org wrote: My curiosity, as I have not attempted LTO yet on any machine, is what are the RAM requirements? Is it a hard limit, wherein the compiler simply fails if there isn't enough RAM

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: LTO use in the tree

2014-04-27 Thread Joshua Kinard
with MIPSPro IPA [snip] That's if they ran IRIX. They run Linux :) -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] News item: GCC 4.8.3 defaults to -fstack-protector

2014-06-13 Thread Joshua Kinard
be the better path. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between. --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] News item: GCC 4.8.3 defaults to -fstack-protector

2014-06-13 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 06/13/2014 14:41, Joshua Kinard wrote: On 06/13/2014 14:08, Greg Turner wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: add the strip-flags statement to the ebuild and be done with it To do it greenly we'd obviously want to know the precise surface area

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] News item: GCC 4.8.3 defaults to -fstack-protector

2014-06-13 Thread Joshua Kinard
of -march args to gcc would apparently correct the same problem. I don't have a non-hardened system available that can test this, though. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: crossdev and multilib interference

2014-06-16 Thread Joshua Kinard
a different ABI? I.e., would a solution be to prevent i686-on-x86_64 or mips64-on-mips, but still allow mips64-on-x86_64, and such? -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: crossdev and multilib interference

2014-06-16 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 06/16/2014 16:24, hasufell wrote: Joshua Kinard: On 06/16/2014 15:47, hasufell wrote: Jeroen Roovers: On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:31:58 + hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: Also check the history of this thread for a few proposed solutions. The history of this thread and the history

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: crossdev and multilib interference

2014-06-16 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 06/16/2014 18:10, hasufell wrote: Joshua Kinard: Then, can crossdev be augmented to work around the invalid behavior? Yes, by installing it into prefixes and requiring people to add it to PATH on their own if they need it outside of cross-emerge. How big of a patch would this change

Re: [gentoo-dev] crossdev and multilib interference

2014-06-16 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 06/16/2014 17:42, Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 16:27:19 -0400 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 16/06/14 04:05 PM, Joshua Kinard wrote: On 06/16/2014 15:47, hasufell wrote: So I don't see what else we can do here

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: crossdev and multilib interference

2014-06-16 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 06/16/2014 21:47, hasufell wrote: Joshua Kinard: How big of a patch would this change require to the existing crossdev ebuild? Probably quite trivial, but since vapier said bs to that proposal (translates to bullshit I guess) I'll not put any work into that. So there we go. If you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: crossdev and multilib interference

2014-06-17 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 06/17/2014 08:30, hasufell wrote: Joshua Kinard: On 06/16/2014 21:47, hasufell wrote: Joshua Kinard: How big of a patch would this change require to the existing crossdev ebuild? Probably quite trivial, but since vapier said bs to that proposal (translates to bullshit I guess) I'll

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: crossdev and multilib interference

2014-06-17 Thread Joshua Kinard
. If they don't see a problem with crossdev right now, then I do have to question just how big of a problem this really is. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS ku...@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: crossdev and multilib interference

2014-06-17 Thread Joshua Kinard
On 06/17/2014 08:48, hasufell wrote: Joshua Kinard: Equally using the Council as a hammer all the time doesn't work in the long-term, either. This is exactly the case where the council has to step in to solve global issues and those between projects (here it is embedded gentoo project

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