Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: net-nds/gq

2006-02-10 Thread Olivier Crête
On Fri, 2006-10-02 at 10:33 +0100, Jakub Moc wrote: Otherwise, I suggest to p.mask this in two weeks and then remove from portage. Is there any other useful gtk ldap browser in the tree ? -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk2 use flag must die

2006-04-02 Thread Olivier Crête
legitimately utilize gtk/gtk2 Is there a legitimate reason to use gtk1 if the gtk2 support is useable? Either way, there shouldnt be a gtk2 flag.. -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Thomas Cort (tcort)

2006-04-17 Thread Olivier Crête
in North Hatley. Our conspiracy is defintely growing.. I live in Montreal... We're like 5-6 in Quebec now!! -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] xorg-server 1.0.99/1.1 ABI break

2006-04-17 Thread Olivier Crête
requires old drivers. There is no valid combination of new and old. Then you should probably has new drivers block old servers and new servers block old drivers... -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] [treecleaner] Last rites: media-sound/alsaplayer

2006-08-21 Thread Olivier Crête
with dmix and I can keep aRts disabled. All KDE sounds are ogg files and when I play them with mpg321, it just exits without producing any sound. I guess the only thing left for me to use is mplayer? You can use ogg123 -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description

Re: [gentoo-dev] mulltiib cruft: /emul

2006-08-21 Thread Olivier Crête
still believe we should reserve the regular directory for the real multilib stuff, otherwise it will be very painful when we decide to move. And continue to put the stopgap binary packages in /emul. -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message

[gentoo-dev] last rites for net-im/gabber and dev-libs/jabberoo

2006-10-01 Thread Olivier Crête
Hi, There have been no release since June 2004, the newer versions have p.masked since 2004. The older versions doesnt build. They have open bugs #62182, #88929 and #101581. I'll remove them on November 1st. -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally

Re: [gentoo-dev] How to speed up maintenance and other Gentoo work?

2009-03-03 Thread Olivier Crête
be even better... -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Maintainence of /usr/portage/skel.* and some updates for skel.ebuild

2009-03-11 Thread Olivier Crête
) -comment out the inherit line -comment out DEPEND and RDEPEND -remove the || die from econf -comment out the complete src_compile It may also be a good time to think about updating skel.eclass to use EAPI=2 -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description

[gentoo-dev] media-video/mpeg4ip to give out or give up

2009-03-24 Thread Olivier Crête
Hello, mpeg4ip is dead upstream and has various bugs [1] (some we patch, some we don't). I'll package.mask/remove it if no one wants to take it over (and effectively become upstream). [1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=190959 -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3

2009-04-08 Thread Olivier Crête
slightly inappropriate, given the above. Don't think this is an item for fast-tracked EAPI-3. I'm not a big fan either of this one either, when stuff is patched, you may not want that disabled. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stabilization of Python 3.1

2009-09-19 Thread Olivier Crête
~arch supposed to be for testing? Isn't that the point of having ~arch? ~arch is for testing ebuilds, not the upstream package -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: introspection

2010-06-20 Thread Olivier Crête
to the direction in which GNOME is heading, it will be required by the core desktop anyway. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New global USE flag: introspection

2010-06-21 Thread Olivier Crête
it means. Introspection? Not so much. It's not the bindings... It's introspection data that describes the API. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] [git migration] The problem of ChangeLog generation

2010-06-24 Thread Olivier Crête
(since in git these operations are separate). And live with the consequences of your mistakes! -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] [git migration] The problem of ChangeLog generation

2010-06-25 Thread Olivier Crête
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 13:00 +0400, Peter Volkov wrote: В Птн, 25/06/2010 в 14:19 +0530, Arun Raghavan пишет: On 25 June 2010 14:15, Peter Volkov p...@gentoo.org wrote: В Чтв, 24/06/2010 в 16:43 -0400, Olivier Crête пишет: [...] Or you could review the changes before pushing (since

Re: [gentoo-dev] Policy for late/slow stabilizations

2010-06-27 Thread Olivier Crête
as to not drop break the tree for them. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Policy for late/slow stabilizations

2010-06-27 Thread Olivier Crête
On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 18:54 +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 11:47:49AM -0400, Olivier Crête wrote: On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 18:04 +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: Moreover, slow arches introduce another problem as well. If a package is marked stabled for their arch

Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of sys-apps/openrc in Gentoo

2010-07-04 Thread Olivier Crête
, NetworkManager, etc. Anyone with half a brain already dropped our stuff. And the lack of use of modern tools is the reason I don't use Gentoo on my work computer anymore. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Bugzilla improvements

2007-09-27 Thread Olivier Crête
the real content even farther down the window. Or if you really want to keep it for new users, please allow us to disable that. -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] new-style virtual/editor

2007-10-05 Thread Olivier Crête
virtual/editor. -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] new-style virtual/editor

2007-10-05 Thread Olivier Crête
nano as the default. -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

[gentoo-dev] Quick last rites for x11-plugins/gaim-libnotify

2007-10-29 Thread Olivier Crête
Two days ago, I removed the beta versions of gaim 2.x, gaim-libnotify depended on it. It has never been So it has been removed from the tree. It is now called x11-plugins/pidgin-libnotify. The rest of gaim will soon follow -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer signature.asc

[gentoo-dev] Last rites for sys-auth/pam_keyring

2007-11-20 Thread Olivier Crête
# Olivier Crete [EMAIL PROTECTED] (20 Nov 2007) # There is now a better version include in gnome-base/gnome-keyring sys-auth/pam_keyring It will be gone in one month. -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

[gentoo-dev] Last rites: net-im/gaim and its plugins

2007-12-08 Thread Olivier Crête
x11-plugins/gaim-xfire x11-plugins/gaimosd x11-plugins/ignorance x11-themes/gaim-smileys -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Keyword amd64 - x86_64

2008-02-20 Thread Olivier Crête
!). AMD64 was invented by AMD and they get to pick the name for it. The keyword amd64 in Gentoo when Intel was still dismissing AMD64... -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Removing .la files...

2008-06-19 Thread Olivier Crête
FOSS application dlopen() gtk+ or libpng. FOSS is the keyword here... the flash plugin dlopens a bunch of stuff -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] system set no longer in part of world set

2008-07-16 Thread Olivier Crête
will need a stdc++ depend. Adding a dep to libc almost everywhere seems extremely wrong to me. I though we had decided many times that it was a bad idea. -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Should 'imlib' USE flag be on by default in x86 and amd64 desktop profiles?

2008-07-25 Thread Olivier Crête
. Comments? Concerns? imlib is unmaintained/deprecated. So I don't think it makes sense to push it by default to users using GNOME/KDE at least (because they have better image loading libraries). -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs

2008-08-18 Thread Olivier Crête
On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 16:18 +0100, Tony Chainsaw Vroon wrote: sys-auth/thinkfinger I have a thinkpad with the right hardware, so I can take this one, did you already pimp out your other thinkpad packages? -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description

Re: [gentoo-dev] FHS compliant KDE install and multi-version support

2008-09-06 Thread Olivier Crête
install everything in /usr like everyone else does, if upstream wanted it to be parallel installable, they would have made it that way (like gnome 1.x vs gnome 2.x). -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

[gentoo-dev] giving up app-laptop/i8kutils

2008-10-28 Thread Olivier Crête
Hi, My Inspiron has died so I can no longer test app-laptop/i8kutils, so I can't really maintain it anymore. If any dev wants to take it, its all yours. If there is a user who want to maintain it, I can proxy. -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description

Re: [gentoo-dev] Flags to punt (including: kerberos USE flag)

2008-10-31 Thread Olivier Crête
Software Suite on a *desktop* oriented system? -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 2 policy for portage tree

2008-12-08 Thread Olivier Crête
it into the tree once a version of portage that supports it has gone stable. And then, not make any ebuild with the new EAPI stable for 60 more days so that the new EAPI related code in portage can be tested properly. -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 2 policy for portage tree

2008-12-08 Thread Olivier Crête
On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 00:11 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:09:50 -0500 Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to go further and ask that for the next EAPI change, we only allow ebuilds using it into the tree once a version of portage that supports it has gone

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI 2 policy for portage tree

2008-12-08 Thread Olivier Crête
On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 00:29 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:25:44 -0500 Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The testing should be two phased, the first for regression (against existing ebuilds), and once thats stable, then we can test with new ebuilds... Uh

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat-xsys: Test request for ~x86 ~amd64

2005-04-17 Thread Olivier Crête
it or not. Thanks, Tony (Chainsaw). -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] x86 Security Liaison signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] i have an idea ! (erescue)

2005-05-15 Thread Olivier Crête
of a stage3 uploaded somewhere as .tbz2s on the mirrors would already be a good first step and isn't much more work for the release teams. Would erescue just be static tar xjvf ${file} -C / or do you want something more intelligent that would also update the portage db ? -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL

Re: [gentoo-dev] i have an idea ! (erescue)

2005-05-16 Thread Olivier Crête
/stage1-ppc64-2005.0.tar.bz2 18756 ./alpha/2005.0/stages/stage1-alpha-2005.0.tar.bz2 19468 ./ia64/2005.0/stages/stage1-ia64-2005.0.tar.bz2 168528 total -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] x86 Security Liaison signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] EBUILD_FORMAT support

2005-07-06 Thread Olivier Crête
On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 03:09 +0200, Sven Wegener wrote: And EVER automatically was E-VER for me, never had the idea to read it as ever. Does that count as being addicted to Gentoo? Yes it does -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] x86 Security Liaison signature.asc Description

[gentoo-dev] imlate x86 Editon and more x86 fun

2005-08-11 Thread Olivier Crête
/imlate/ Ah yea, and I also tried my new imlate script on amd64 and it finds about 50% more packages than the regular version.. We really need to form an x86 team... -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] x86 Security Liaison signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] modular X - 7.0 RC1

2005-10-20 Thread Olivier Crête
). -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] x86 Security Liaison signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Split ELF Debug (defult or not?)

2005-11-26 Thread Olivier Crête
is at: http://dev.gentoo.org/~tester/debugedit-4.4.3-ebuild.tar.bz2 -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Split ELF Debug (default or not?)

2005-11-27 Thread Olivier Crête
1.5 GB inside /usr/lib .. -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr/libexec vs /usr/lib(32|64)/misc

2005-11-29 Thread Olivier Crête
to libdir? They are all executables, not libraries. Its in the same category as /usr/bin. -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] /usr/libexec vs /usr/lib(32|64)/misc

2005-11-29 Thread Olivier Crête
to lib/misc.. will need to modify a lot of gnome package at least. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2005-May/msg00240.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/05/msg00401.html -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2011-12-31 Thread Olivier Crête
that even a relatively large distribution like us can't maintain a competitive base system solution, adopting the udev/kmod/systemd way will allow us to use all the work that they are doing and instead concentrate on making a better system. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-01 Thread Olivier Crête
On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 01:33 -0600, Matthew Thode wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 02:12:22 -0500 Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org wrote: All of my systems currently have a seperate /usr that is mounted at boot. Unfortunately I do agree that this is not something that we can fight. This was brought

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-01 Thread Olivier Crête
it. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-01 Thread Olivier Crête
On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 15:33 +0800, Patrick Lauer wrote: On 01/01/12 15:12, Olivier Crête wrote: Hi, On Sat, 2011-12-31 at 19:59 -0600, William Hubbs wrote: I have been working with robbat2 on solutions to the separate /usr issue (That is why I have specifically cc'd him on this email

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-01 Thread Olivier Crête
one, but also why it is necessary, how to manage initramfs'es, the concepts underlying, etc. Short version: use dracut. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-01 Thread Olivier Crête
On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 14:51 -0600, Dale wrote: Olivier Crête wrote: On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 01:33 -0600, Matthew Thode wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 02:12:22 -0500 Olivier Crêtetes...@gentoo.org wrote: All of my systems currently have a seperate /usr that is mounted at boot. Unfortunately

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-01 Thread Olivier Crête
On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 20:23 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 15:21:24 -0500 Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org wrote: Honestly, so many things just work on MacOS and just need hours of tweaking for us.. The problem with just works is that when it breaks, it can't be fixed

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-03 Thread Olivier Crête
Hi, On Mon, 2012-01-02 at 10:41 +0200, Eray Aslan wrote: On 2012-01-01 11:50 PM, Olivier Crête wrote: systemd/dracut/etc handles /usr on its own filesystem just fine. What is required is that /usr must be mounted before the pivot_root away from the initramfs. RedHat made some bad design

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-03 Thread Olivier Crête
question. I haven't heard one way or the other what is happening with /lib/modules. I doubt the kernel will move its install location, they're a very conservative bunch. But I heard that kmod will start looking for modules in /usr/lib/modules ... -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-03 Thread Olivier Crête
On Tue, 2012-01-03 at 13:02 -0600, William Hubbs wrote: On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 01:50:25PM -0500, Olivier Crête wrote: I don't see what breakage would be caused by a big-bang update (move everything in /sbin,/bin/,usr/sbin to usr/bin and add symlinks. I really doubt any system has a /usr so

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-03 Thread Olivier Crête
On Tue, 2012-01-03 at 14:35 -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: 2012/1/3 Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org: A couple years ago, Gentoo was the forward looking distribution, ready to try radical changes that break existing assumption, like our init scripts with dependencies or our early use of udev

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-03 Thread Olivier Crête
On Tue, 2012-01-03 at 22:47 +, Sven Vermeulen wrote: On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 03:21:47PM -0500, Olivier Crête wrote: I use a separate /usr with LVM on all my systems. My root partition uses RAID1. And I never had the need for an initramfs of any kind. Also, there are some major

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-04 Thread Olivier Crête
/usr mounted: egrep 'usb-db|pci-db|FROM_DATABASE|/usr' /*/udev/rules.d/* |cut -f 1 -d : | sort -u | xargs qfile -e -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-04 Thread Olivier Crête
of tight coupling... You clearly have failed to realize that d-bus is a now the bus for system messaging and is as much part of the system as syslog or bash. Probably even more so, for example, in Fedora 17, you'll be able to boot without syslog or bash, but you need d-bus. -- Olivier Crête tes

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-04 Thread Olivier Crête
horrifies me. No no no, the idea is that once all binaries are in /usr, you can easily share /usr between different systems and do updates in a sane way.. You can also mount /usr read-only, but still have / be read-write. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-04 Thread Olivier Crête
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 19:30 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote: * Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr: On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: /bin/systemctl libdbus-1.so.3

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-04 Thread Olivier Crête
day than the total number of servers in the world... But well, this isn't a number's game. D-Bus is the system bus and bluetooth is just one example of a system level component that uses it. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Olivier Crête
and shell. Obviously, you can do init=/bin/sh, that's doesn't help you much. I think we're all speaking of a minimually useful system here. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Olivier Crête
and shell. Obviously, you can do init=/bin/sh, that's doesn't help you much. I think we're all speaking of a minimally useful system here. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Olivier Crête
. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Olivier Crête
On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 21:09 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:02:09 -0500 Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 20:08 +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:30:24 -0600 William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: Or will /etc move

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for sys-apps/systemd - /usr migration

2012-01-05 Thread Olivier Crête
not removing the symlink unless there is a technical reason why its presence is undesirable. Doing aggressive migrations like that should really be avoided.. But we know that the real long term solution is to have a /bin - /usr/bin symlink. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-05 Thread Olivier Crête
On Fri, 2012-01-06 at 08:44 +0800, Patrick Lauer wrote: On 01/06/12 05:26, Olivier Crête wrote: [snip] The only thing I see them sacrificing is loose coupling, they provide more functionality than any other init system, more correctness (seriously, did you ever read most init scripts out

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr

2012-01-06 Thread Olivier Crête
in your cluster or machine room or your many user desktops. With the current system, you either have to maintain in sync the /bin, /sbin, /usr, etc separately, making life harder for everyone. But clearly, you've never been the sysadmin of that kind of setup. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: news item for changed polkit default group

2012-01-30 Thread Olivier Crête
On Mon, 2012-01-30 at 14:22 +0200, Samuli Suominen wrote: The default value of AdminIdentities changed to group wheel by upstream since version 0.103. You never mention what the old value was.. useful to figure out if it will cause problems. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Chromium bundled code

2012-05-07 Thread Olivier Crête
, since he wrote it. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Tightly-coupled core distro [was: Council meeting summary for 3 April 2012]

2012-05-10 Thread Olivier Crête
to use a userspace sound server, etc. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stability of /sys api

2012-05-14 Thread Olivier Crête
it, poorly. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Stability of /sys api

2012-05-15 Thread Olivier Crête
want to easily use USB sticks or digital cameras or gsm dongles or really any modern hardware, I'm sure mdev is fine. A static /dev is even fine for you probably. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: udev - mdev

2012-07-13 Thread Olivier Crête
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Opinion against /usr merge

2012-07-17 Thread Olivier Crête
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Opinion against /usr merge

2012-07-17 Thread Olivier Crête
On Tue, 2012-07-17 at 20:37 -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 2012-07-17, at 7:07 PM, Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org wrote: I'm sure most people can't even explain the difference between them. /sbin is for bins that only root should be able to run. easy. :) Except when it isn't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Opinion against /usr merge

2012-07-17 Thread Olivier Crête
On Tue, 2012-07-17 at 20:37 -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 2012-07-17, at 7:07 PM, Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org wrote: I'm sure most people can't even explain the difference between them. /sbin is for bins that only root should be able to run. easy. :) Or you can try

Re: [gentoo-dev] Opinion against /usr merge

2012-07-17 Thread Olivier Crête
On Tue, 2012-07-17 at 23:54 -0400, Richard Yao wrote: On 07/17/2012 07:07 PM, Olivier Crête wrote: On Tue, 2012-07-17 at 18:41 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: If somebody really is pushing for an all-out /usr move by all means speak up, but I think that basically what everybody is advocating

Re: [gentoo-dev] Opinion against /usr merge

2012-07-17 Thread Olivier Crête
dependencies on udev for certain features. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Opinion against /usr merge

2012-07-18 Thread Olivier Crête
it possible to do atomic upgrades and such. Also, you can have apps be subvolumes and also handled atomically. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] systemd.eclass: Patch for new function systemd_get_udevdir()

2012-08-06 Thread Olivier Crête
domination is to use systemd as a session manager, so it would replace gnome-session, etc. Lennart friends are currently pushing kernel patches to make it fully recursive (such as being able to re-parent orphaned processes to the session's systemd instead of the global one. -- Olivier Crête tes

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] systemd.eclass: Patch for new function systemd_get_udevdir()

2012-08-06 Thread Olivier Crête
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 20:28 +0200, Fabian Groffen wrote: On 06-08-2012 11:16:52 -0700, Olivier Crête wrote: On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 13:56 +0200, Fabian Groffen wrote: While OpenRC is likely perfectly capable of starting/stopping daemons as a normal user (with some tweaks), I expect systemd

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

2012-08-07 Thread Olivier Crête
://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/hostnamed [2] http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/timedated [3] http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/localed [4] http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/logind -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

2012-08-09 Thread Olivier Crête
On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 10:42 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: On 08/07/2012 09:00 PM, Olivier Crête wrote: I expect that in the not so long term, systemd will become an essential user-space component of desktop Linux, just like crond, syslog, dbus, udev or glibc. Sharing that code just makes sense

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

2012-08-09 Thread Olivier Crête
On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 13:31 -0500, William Hubbs wrote: On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 11:12:46AM -0700, Olivier Crête wrote: Most ideas behind systemd are interesting, their current implementation is sometimes completely wrong and given the experience with pulseaudio we all know

Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

2012-08-09 Thread Olivier Crête
in (and sysvinit with it) for all systemd users even if we don't use it at all. Good idea. While we're at it, please also let's not make systemd/udevd/dbus/pam mandatory. Can we also have a desktop that doesn't use X? -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc

Re: [gentoo-dev] FYI: multilib-strict no longer in FEATURES of targets/developer/make.defaults (pending on bug 424423)

2012-08-13 Thread Olivier Crête
? Should I even worry about it? There really have no reason to be in $(get_libdir) as they're not compiled for the platform implied by $(get_libdir) ! -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: netplugd and ifplugd support in OpenRc

2012-09-10 Thread Olivier Crête
we should keep OpenRC support for one or both of these? The ifplugd author recommends you use NetworkManager for dynamic networking scenarios. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: netplugd and ifplugd support in OpenRc

2012-09-11 Thread Olivier Crête
On Tue, 2012-09-11 at 20:01 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: On 9/10/12 11:05 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 04:26:10PM -0400, Olivier Crête wrote: On Mon, 2012-09-10 at 09:48 -0500, William Hubbs wrote: In researching this program, I have found that it and ifplugd, which

Re: [gentoo-dev] making USE=upnp a global flag

2012-10-01 Thread Olivier Crête
and others advertise UPnP as DLNA (digital living network appliance) but that actually refers to both port forwarding (eg. used in consoles) and to media streaming (eg. PC to TV). DLNA is actually a subset of UPnP with some strict certification rules. -- Olivier Crête tes...@gentoo.org Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] X.Org 7.1 is Stable

2006-10-16 Thread Olivier Crête
it to use it. Read the man page. Otherwise yea it will crash. -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

[gentoo-dev] last rites for sys-devel/odinmp

2006-10-16 Thread Olivier Crête
Hi, I haven't updated it in years and no one has noticed. I guess no one uses it. And I don't use it anymore either. Bug #67273 has been there for a long time. It is p.masked and will be removed on Nov 16 2006. -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Ryan Hill (dirtyepic)

2006-10-22 Thread Olivier Crête
On Sun, 2006-22-10 at 16:54 -0400, Patrick McLean wrote: Petteri Räty wrote: So please give dirtyepic the usual warm welcome. Welcome Ryan, always nice to have another Canadian :) Go Canooks!! -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect module for choosing between gnash and netscape-flash

2006-10-24 Thread Olivier Crête
like this be a Firefox/Seamonkey extension instead ? -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] eselect module for choosing between gnash and netscape-flash

2006-10-24 Thread Olivier Crête
On Tue, 2006-24-10 at 21:57 -0400, Olivier Crête wrote: On Fri, 2006-20-10 at 21:08 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I wrote an eselect module for choosing between the browser plugins from net-www/gnash and net-www/netscape-flash, and I was wondering if it could be included

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Hans de Graaff

2006-11-04 Thread Olivier Crête
On Sat, 2006-04-11 at 16:36 +0100, Christian Heim wrote: Its my pleasure to introduce to you Hans de Graaff (also known as graaff), our latest addition helping with emacs/xemacs. Go Emacs! Go Emacs! -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description

Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites for net-im/gabber and dev-libs/jabberoo

2006-11-12 Thread Olivier Crête
On Sun, 2006-01-10 at 11:08 -0400, Olivier Crête wrote: Hi, There have been no release since June 2004, the newer versions have p.masked since 2004. The older versions doesnt build. They have open bugs #62182, #88929 and #101581. I'll remove them on November 1st. Gabber is gone.. All

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] New profiles/ChangeLog

2007-01-13 Thread Olivier Crête
it redundant. I think we should exclude changes to package.mask from that changelog otherwise it will drown in noise. -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

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