[gentoo-dev] Re: New category: net-voip

2006-07-19 Thread Duncan
Ned Ludd [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on  Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:10:51 -0400:

 On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 17:39 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
 On Tuesday 18 July 2006 14:17, Ned Ludd wrote:
  There is no consistency for end users when stuff keeps getting shuffled
  around.
 
 i dont see why end users should care ... devs should update the 
 profile/updates/ files and portage should do the rest
 
 Every single year quarter after quarter the more updates 
 that happen the slower portage is becoming.
 Care to solve that?

I don't know all of what portage devs did to fixpackages, but with the
2.1.1-pre series now in ~arch anyway (and I /thought/ in 2.1.0, but I may
have been mistaken), it's /so/ much faster, I finally added
FEATURES=fixpackages to make.conf -- along with the FEATURES=buildpkg I've
had there for some time!

Where back with 2.0.5x, it would take forever, starting with moves even
before I had a Gentoo installed (I never did figure out why it couldn't
start from the date of the last one and only do any new fixes, or at
/least/ ignore ones from before my first Gentoo install), now it seems to
skip over them all at once and only slow down when it gets to new
packages.  IOW, it seems like they've implemented the timestamp thing and
only update things since then, like I would have thought reasonable to do
all along.

To put it another way, with new portage, fixpackages doesn't seem to be an
issue at all!  My first emerge --pretend --update --deep --newuse world
(before it's all memory cached) seems to take longer than fixpackages
does, now.  Either they did something very right, or they did something
very wrong and it's skipping everything it should be doing, therefore
explaining the dramatic speed improvements! =8^)

In any case, I used to dread running fixpackages, but it's now simply not
an issue! =8^)



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[gentoo-dev] Re: New category: net-voip

2006-07-18 Thread Stefan Schweizer
Ned Ludd wrote:
 Creation of a new categories is fine. pkg moves are bad.
 See the countless other posting on this subject of why pkg
 moves are bad.
yeah new packages is my primary concern.

 Any objections, problems with the plan, comments?
 
 Sure I'll step up and say I object to the part of your plan which
 involves a shitton of pkgmoves. Moving pkgs from existing categories
 into another category causes numerous problems that portage can't solve
 as easy as the rest of us might think so please just don't do that
 part. I've got no objection to the creation of a new category for *new*
 packages.

I talked with you in IRC about this more. We will do the package moves only
when a bump occurs and will make sure that stable as well as ~arch get an
updated ebuild.

Best regards,
Stefan

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New category: net-voip

2006-07-18 Thread Ned Ludd
On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 15:51 +0200, Stefan Schweizer wrote:
 Ned Ludd wrote:
  Creation of a new categories is fine. pkg moves are bad.
  See the countless other posting on this subject of why pkg
  moves are bad.
 yeah new packages is my primary concern.
 
  Any objections, problems with the plan, comments?
  
  Sure I'll step up and say I object to the part of your plan which
  involves a shitton of pkgmoves. Moving pkgs from existing categories
  into another category causes numerous problems that portage can't solve
  as easy as the rest of us might think so please just don't do that
  part. I've got no objection to the creation of a new category for *new*
  packages.
 
 I talked with you in IRC about this more. We will do the package moves only
 when a bump occurs and will make sure that stable as well as ~arch get an
 updated ebuild.

Sweet/Thanks that works and provides a clear path to upgrade/bump.

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