Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone?

2009-07-14 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 12:51 Fri 10 Jul , Ferris McCormick wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 22:50 -0400, Andrew D Kirch wrote: Ciaran, you are killing Gentoo. You wrote a demonstrably error prone GLEP 39, then tried to exploit it to ram through GLEP 55, and you got caught. You've created a huge amount of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone?

2009-07-10 Thread Ferris McCormick
On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 22:50 -0400, Andrew D Kirch wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: trelane ciaranm: I want Paludis to fail. It's unhealthy (or at least the loudest and most visible of it's devs are) for Gentoo. trelane lets be VERY clear on that point. So long as Paludis, and the culture

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone?

2009-07-09 Thread Andrew D Kirch
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: trelane ciaranm: I want Paludis to fail. It's unhealthy (or at least the loudest and most visible of it's devs are) for Gentoo. trelane lets be VERY clear on that point. So long as Paludis, and the culture it creates are unhealthy for Gentoo I want it to fail.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone?

2009-07-09 Thread Alec Warner
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Andrew D Kirchtrel...@trelane.net wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: trelane ciaranm: I want Paludis to fail. It's unhealthy (or at least the loudest and most visible of it's devs are) for Gentoo. trelane lets be VERY clear on that point. So long as Paludis, and

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone?

2009-07-07 Thread Steven J Long
Brian Harring wrote: In terms of involvement in PMS, frankly it's not worth it from where I'm sitting due to ciarans behaviour. It's not a matter of having thicker skin- it's literally a question of worth. Is it worth trying to have a voice if it means exposing yourself to BS behaviour?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone?

2009-07-07 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:49:34 +0100 Steven J Long sl...@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk wrote: I'll second that; it's impossible to discuss on bugzilla, as you just get trolled or spammed. Funny. Other people manage just fine. Perhaps you should consider that it's your behaviour that's the issue here. In

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone?

2009-07-07 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Ciaran McCreeshciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: Perhaps you should consider that it's your behaviour that's the issue here. It's both your behaviors, because they're extremely similar. Except that you seem to have more time available than slong to express

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone?

2009-07-07 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:09:09 -0600 Denis Dupeyron calc...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Ciaran McCreeshciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: Perhaps you should consider that it's your behaviour that's the issue here. It's both your behaviors, because they're extremely

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone?

2009-07-07 Thread Rémi Cardona
Le 07/07/2009 18:20, Ciaran McCreesh a écrit : I would be entirely happy if you could get the people whose stated aim is to disrupt PMS and / or third party package managers to stop poisoning the atmosphere. Then _please_ for the love of God just _ignore_ him. Thank you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone?

2009-07-07 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:34:32 +0200 Rémi Cardona r...@gentoo.org wrote: Le 07/07/2009 18:20, Ciaran McCreesh a écrit : I would be entirely happy if you could get the people whose stated aim is to disrupt PMS and / or third party package managers to stop poisoning the atmosphere. Then

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone?

2009-07-07 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Ciaran McCreeshciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: I contribute productively and usefully This should have gone in private but I want it to be public because you and others apparently do not get it. The fact that you're contributing or not does not give you or

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone?

2009-07-07 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
Just putting some weight behind Remi's post On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Rémi Cardonar...@gentoo.org wrote: Le 07/07/2009 18:20, Ciaran McCreesh a écrit : I would be entirely happy if you could get the people whose stated aim is to disrupt PMS and / or third party package managers to stop

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone?

2009-07-07 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:55:02 -0600 Denis Dupeyron calc...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Ciaran McCreeshciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: I contribute productively and usefully This should have gone in private but I want it to be public because you and others

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone?

2009-07-07 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alright, seeing that things are getting out of hand again, let me reply as a member of the userrel team. Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:55:02 -0600 Denis Dupeyron calc...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Ciaran

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone?

2009-07-07 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:51:05 + Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote: As Denis has already stated we're not interested in the disputes between you, paludis, exherbo and some other users or projects (funtoo?). This ml is about