Re: [gentoo-dev] .la files and their future on Gentoo

2010-10-04 Thread Rémi Cardona
Le 04/10/2010 08:35, Michał Górny a écrit : On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 00:00:22 +0200 Rémi Cardona r...@gentoo.org wrote: #2a) pkg-config is one solution (what upstream Xorg says: if you want a static libX11, use pkg-config --static), other teams/herds could fix their packages' .pc files to

Re: [gentoo-dev] .la files and their future on Gentoo

2010-10-04 Thread Michał Górny
On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 00:00:22 +0200 Rémi Cardona r...@gentoo.org wrote: #2a) pkg-config is one solution (what upstream Xorg says: if you want a static libX11, use pkg-config --static), other teams/herds could fix their packages' .pc files to correctly list all required packages for proper

Re: [gentoo-dev] .la files and their future on Gentoo

2010-10-03 Thread David Leverton
On 2 October 2010 20:54, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote: Given the recent activity around .la files and conflict about how to deal with them, I propose we discuss this issue in this mailing list, and take this issue to the council. That way, we can make a global

Re: [gentoo-dev] .la files and their future on Gentoo

2010-10-03 Thread Richard Freeman
On 10/03/2010 07:53 AM, David Leverton wrote: Would it be too much trouble to have a standardised variable that means .la files should be kept? It maybe /shouldn't/ be exposed as a USE flag because very few people will need it, but if it's easy to implement (maybe by having an eutils function

Re: [gentoo-dev] .la files and their future on Gentoo

2010-10-03 Thread David Leverton
On 3 October 2010 14:20, Richard Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: Such a solution would also have the virtue of allowing the use of USE dependencies.  So, you would only install the .la files from a particular library if another package actually needed them.  Packages could also have USE

Re: [gentoo-dev] .la files and their future on Gentoo

2010-10-03 Thread Luca Barbato
On 10/03/2010 01:53 PM, David Leverton wrote: While I do agree that the underlying problem we're trying to solve is worth solving, I do have a couple of small concerns about how it's being done. The first is that it seems people are judging whether a particular .la file is needed by checking

Re: [gentoo-dev] .la files and their future on Gentoo

2010-10-03 Thread David Leverton
On 3 October 2010 15:29, Luca Barbato lu_z...@gentoo.org wrote: I think the simpler solution is that if it needs .la, before reaching the tree it has to be fixed... What I'm not keen about that is that using the .la files isn't really broken - if libfoo uses libtool, and some other software

Re: [gentoo-dev] .la files and their future on Gentoo

2010-10-03 Thread Angelo Arrifano
On 03-10-2010 12:53, David Leverton wrote: On 2 October 2010 20:54, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote: Given the recent activity around .la files and conflict about how to deal with them, I propose we discuss this issue in this mailing list, and take this issue to the

Re: [gentoo-dev] .la files and their future on Gentoo

2010-10-03 Thread Angelo Arrifano
On 03-10-2010 15:29, Luca Barbato wrote: On 10/03/2010 01:53 PM, David Leverton wrote: While I do agree that the underlying problem we're trying to solve is worth solving, I do have a couple of small concerns about how it's being done. The first is that it seems people are judging whether a

Re: [gentoo-dev] .la files and their future on Gentoo

2010-10-03 Thread Rémi Cardona
Le 03/10/2010 16:29, Luca Barbato a écrit : I think the simpler solution is that if it needs .la, before reaching the tree it has to be fixed... Using libltdl (libtool's dlopen wrapper) is a *legitimate* use of .la files. Those programs do not need to be fixed as they are not broken. The

Re: [gentoo-dev] .la files and their future on Gentoo

2010-10-03 Thread Luca Barbato
On 10/04/2010 12:00 AM, Rémi Cardona wrote: Using libltdl (libtool's dlopen wrapper) is a*legitimate* use of .la files. Those programs do not need to be fixed as they are not broken. To my knowledge ltdl would load just fine the .so if the .la isn't found. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux

Re: [gentoo-dev] .la files and their future on Gentoo

2010-10-03 Thread Luca Barbato
On 10/03/2010 06:57 PM, Angelo Arrifano wrote: joke Was libtool deprecated or something? Judging by your reply, it really made me think so. /joke joke once everybody moves to scons/ffconf/whatever sure /joke The farther we walk from upstream, the greater is the quantity of work we have to do

[gentoo-dev] .la files and their future on Gentoo

2010-10-02 Thread Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello. Given the recent activity around .la files and conflict about how to deal with them, I propose we discuss this issue in this mailing list, and take this issue to the council. That way, we can make a global decision, taking into account all the

Re: [gentoo-dev] .la files and their future on Gentoo

2010-10-02 Thread Rémi Cardona
Le 02/10/2010 21:54, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto a écrit : With that goal in mind, I'd like to ask anyone with arguments about this issue to present them as a reply to this thread. [putting on my X11 cap] As far as X11 packages are concerned (libX11, libXext, cairo, etc), we can remove .la