Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] profiles/targets/desktop: Do not enable ldap USE flag by default
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:13 AM Michał Górny wrote: > On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 07:35 +0200, Hans de Graaff wrote: > > On Wed, 2020-09-09 at 13:35 +0300, Mikle Kolyada wrote: > > > Closes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/741380 > > > > Could you provide a rationale for removing this? The bug only has a > > single anecdotal report of a user who can run a desktop without it. I'm > > not sure if that is reason enough to remove this. I guess we won't be > > able to figure out easily how many of our desktop profile users are > > actually using LDAP, but changing this may cause surprises and I'm not > > sure if that's warranted. > > > > 2020. Gentoo discovers that people usually don't run LDAP on their > desktops. Some developers can't believe their eyes! Gentoo forms > a Working Group to establish whether using LDAP on desktops is really > that uncommon. > > This fits nicely with the recently announced fact that Gentoo Foundation > has too much money and is looking for funding requests. After all, what > could be a better use of Gentoo money than funding the work of a Working > Group trying to establish matters of such great importance as default > USE flags on desktop profiles. > I don't appreciate these comments. You can think the Foundation wastes money on taxes and paperwork and operational expenses but i'm not going to sit here and watch you crap all over my attempts to actually *support* the Gentoo community by funding actual work. So please keep your negative comments to yourself. -A > > After a lot of debate the Working Group concludes that there is no > conclusive answer whether LDAP should be enabled by default or not. > > -- > Best regards, > Michał Górny > >
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] profiles/targets/desktop: Do not enable ldap USE flag by default
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 11:45 AM Alec Warner wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:59 AM Mikle Kolyada wrote: >> >> >> On 10.09.2020 08:35, Hans de Graaff wrote: >> > On Wed, 2020-09-09 at 13:35 +0300, Mikle Kolyada wrote: >> >> Closes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/741380 >> > Could you provide a rationale for removing this? The bug only has a >> > single anecdotal report of a user who can run a desktop without it. I'm >> > not sure if that is reason enough to remove this. I guess we won't be >> > able to figure out easily how many of our desktop profile users are >> > actually using LDAP, but changing this may cause surprises and I'm not >> > sure if that's warranted. >> > >> > Hans >> >> >> Hi. >> >> It is dictated by common sense. >> >> >> I barely can imagine a case where you need ldap support in each and >> every package you install. > > > I can, but not in a desktop environment. In an enterprise environment you > will need it (but I'd expect folks to add it.) > The challenge is just in changing the default. E.g. we might not do it until > a new profile bump (e.g. do it in a 2020 or 2021 profile?) I think a news item with some time delay would be sufficient to inform any enterprise admins so they can push a local config change.
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] profiles/targets/desktop: Do not enable ldap USE flag by default
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:59 AM Mikle Kolyada wrote: > > On 10.09.2020 08:35, Hans de Graaff wrote: > > On Wed, 2020-09-09 at 13:35 +0300, Mikle Kolyada wrote: > >> Closes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/741380 > > Could you provide a rationale for removing this? The bug only has a > > single anecdotal report of a user who can run a desktop without it. I'm > > not sure if that is reason enough to remove this. I guess we won't be > > able to figure out easily how many of our desktop profile users are > > actually using LDAP, but changing this may cause surprises and I'm not > > sure if that's warranted. > > > > Hans > > > Hi. > > It is dictated by common sense. > > I barely can imagine a case where you need ldap support in each and > every package you install. > I can, but not in a desktop environment. In an enterprise environment you will need it (but I'd expect folks to add it.) The challenge is just in changing the default. E.g. we might not do it until a new profile bump (e.g. do it in a 2020 or 2021 profile?) -A > > This should rather be per-package enabled as something non-trivial. > > >
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] profiles/targets/desktop: Do not enable ldap USE flag by default
On Thu, 2020-09-10 at 07:35 +0200, Hans de Graaff wrote: > On Wed, 2020-09-09 at 13:35 +0300, Mikle Kolyada wrote: > > Closes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/741380 > > Could you provide a rationale for removing this? The bug only has a > single anecdotal report of a user who can run a desktop without it. I'm > not sure if that is reason enough to remove this. I guess we won't be > able to figure out easily how many of our desktop profile users are > actually using LDAP, but changing this may cause surprises and I'm not > sure if that's warranted. > 2020. Gentoo discovers that people usually don't run LDAP on their desktops. Some developers can't believe their eyes! Gentoo forms a Working Group to establish whether using LDAP on desktops is really that uncommon. This fits nicely with the recently announced fact that Gentoo Foundation has too much money and is looking for funding requests. After all, what could be a better use of Gentoo money than funding the work of a Working Group trying to establish matters of such great importance as default USE flags on desktop profiles. After a lot of debate the Working Group concludes that there is no conclusive answer whether LDAP should be enabled by default or not. -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] profiles/targets/desktop: Do not enable ldap USE flag by default
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 11:59:31AM +0300, Mikle Kolyada wrote: > > On 10.09.2020 08:35, Hans de Graaff wrote: > > On Wed, 2020-09-09 at 13:35 +0300, Mikle Kolyada wrote: > >> Closes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/741380 > > Could you provide a rationale for removing this? The bug only has a > > single anecdotal report of a user who can run a desktop without it. I'm > > not sure if that is reason enough to remove this. I guess we won't be > > able to figure out easily how many of our desktop profile users are > > actually using LDAP, but changing this may cause surprises and I'm not > > sure if that's warranted. > > > > Hans > > > Hi. > > It is dictated by common sense. > > I barely can imagine a case where you need ldap support in each and > every package you install. > > This should rather be per-package enabled as something non-trivial. Maybe this change should be introduced with a news item just to help limit surprises? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] profiles/targets/desktop: Do not enable ldap USE flag by default
On 10.09.2020 08:35, Hans de Graaff wrote: On Wed, 2020-09-09 at 13:35 +0300, Mikle Kolyada wrote: Closes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/741380 Could you provide a rationale for removing this? The bug only has a single anecdotal report of a user who can run a desktop without it. I'm not sure if that is reason enough to remove this. I guess we won't be able to figure out easily how many of our desktop profile users are actually using LDAP, but changing this may cause surprises and I'm not sure if that's warranted. Hans Hi. It is dictated by common sense. I barely can imagine a case where you need ldap support in each and every package you install. This should rather be per-package enabled as something non-trivial.
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] profiles/targets/desktop: Do not enable ldap USE flag by default
On Wed, 2020-09-09 at 13:35 +0300, Mikle Kolyada wrote: > Closes: https://bugs.gentoo.org/741380 Could you provide a rationale for removing this? The bug only has a single anecdotal report of a user who can run a desktop without it. I'm not sure if that is reason enough to remove this. I guess we won't be able to figure out easily how many of our desktop profile users are actually using LDAP, but changing this may cause surprises and I'm not sure if that's warranted. Hans signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH] profiles/targets/desktop: Do not enable ldap USE flag by default
Seems like a good idea to me.
