Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Projects and subproject status
On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 14:06 +, Duncan wrote: Petteri Räty [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:41:55 +0200: Luca Barbato kirjoitti: Petteri Räty wrote: [Java] any plan/idea about icedtea? as a ppc user I'd love[] Well having it open source doesn't mean automatically ppc support but there are people working on it. As a (non-ppc, amd64 FWIW) libreware user, I too am happy to see someone's working on icedtea. I'd love to have a real/working Java as a viable option once again. Not demanding as I'm very aware I'm not doing the work, just wondering, and appreciating that it's even possible, now, and all the work people both upstream and Gentoo are putting into it. ETA? At least order of magnitude (weeks, months, years, hopefully not decades! =8^)? I'm not afraid of overlays. No clue on ETA. I will take a peek/poke at it. I need to double check, but pretty sure icedtea might still need sun-jdk to build. Even if that is not the case, things like the plugin and other non-open aspects aren't available yet in icedtea. So there is still much left to be desired. I am pretty sure due to the need either for build or run of sun-jdk we aren't really motivated to do anything special with icedtea at this time. Really doesn't allow us to do anything more than we can now with openjdk. Sure some more free tools are used to build instead of entirely using sun-jdk. But it's not complete, so leaves stuff to be desired. http://icedtea.classpath.org/hg/icedtea/file/6cb15624ed1d/README http://fitzsim.org/blog/?p=16 Not to burst your bubble or pee in your corn flakes. But I will see what I can do to slowly start making an effort to package it. Love to see a contributor or someone step up there. As over all maintenance of openjdk is ALLOT atm due to weekly releases :( -- William L. Thomson Jr. Gentoo/Java signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Projects and subproject status
William L. Thomson Jr. kirjoitti: No clue on ETA. I will take a peek/poke at it. I need to double check, but pretty sure icedtea might still need sun-jdk to build. Even if that is not the case, things like the plugin and other non-open aspects aren't available yet in icedtea. So there is still much left to be desired. The whole reason for icedtea to exist is to have a version of OpenJDK that doesn't require sun-jdk to build. You can also have a plugin with the use of gcjwebplugin. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Projects and subproject status
On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 22:21 +0200, Petteri Räty wrote: William L. Thomson Jr. kirjoitti: No clue on ETA. I will take a peek/poke at it. I need to double check, but pretty sure icedtea might still need sun-jdk to build. Even if that is not the case, things like the plugin and other non-open aspects aren't available yet in icedtea. So there is still much left to be desired. The whole reason for icedtea to exist is to have a version of OpenJDK that doesn't require sun-jdk to build. Right but when we have discussed it in the past, the dep of sun-jdk was the de-motivator. Pretty much per your words in a past August meeting[1-2]. (16:46:07) wltjr: I am clueless to it all, just picking up on tid bits, no clue on requirements (16:46:16) wltjr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IcedTea_%28software%29 (16:46:21) Betelgeuse: icedtue builts just fine with Sun Java (16:46:26) Betelgeuse: but that beats the point of icedtea (16:46:31) wltjr: lol :) (16:46:36) vladsharp: wltjr: the last time I checked, IcedTea? needed gcj working (16:46:45) vladsharp: Betelgeuse: yes.. (16:46:56) Caster: sounds like geki's job :P (16:47:10) Betelgeuse: eventually icedtea stuff should be merged back to OpenJDK proper (16:47:19) Betelgeuse: so IcedTea? would never really make into main tree (16:47:28) Betelgeuse: as such I am not interested in putting effort to packaging it (16:47:38) Betelgeuse: but others feel free :) Granted I believe things have changed since, but are not 100%. gcj is not even official maintained by any Gentoo Devs atm. No where near close to being added to tree. Much less in the same overlay as openjdk. Not that it's in bad shape, but there is no syncing or collaboration there. But seems moot, as IcedTea should not require gcj to build. If I am reading the upstream docs correctly[3]. You can also have a plugin with the use of gcjwebplugin. Even the plugin lacks allot of plugin functionality per the previous link[3]. They claim basic support. Kinda makes me think about gnash wrt to Flash there. Sure there is an open source Flash player plugin, but can anyone really use it all the time? Not really, so not sure if applets are the same with gcjwebplugin. I doubt one could use that in all places a normal Java plugin would be used. Not to mention gcjwebplugin is another project[4], not part of IcedTea. They are just using it. I don't know if IcedTea is shipping it or is available on it's own? Seems integration is still in progress[5]. If on it's own, I don't believe there is a gcjwebplugin ebuild floating around? What about Java Webstart? Which is almost used more than the plugin on the desktop these days, for some. Seems they are using another external project there? But I can't find reference or mention, atm. Is that a complete project as well? Not sure. 1. http://overlays.gentoo.org/proj/java/wiki/August_2007_Summary 2. http://overlays.gentoo.org/proj/java/wiki/August_2007_Meeting_Log 3. http://icedtea.classpath.org/hg/icedtea/file/6cb15624ed1d/README 4. http://www.nongnu.org/gcjwebplugin/ 5. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IcedTea#head-f4ea0ed1739c747de59e7b55d241cc8d9d574165 -- William L. Thomson Jr. Gentoo/Java signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Projects and subproject status
William L. Thomson Jr. kirjoitti: gcj is not even official maintained by any Gentoo Devs atm. No where near close to being added to tree. Much less in the same overlay as openjdk. Not that it's in bad shape, but there is no syncing or collaboration there. But seems moot, as IcedTea should not require gcj to build. If I am reading the upstream docs correctly[3]. IcedTea builds with any 1.5 JDK. So that includes both gcj and sun-jdk. Regards, Petteri signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Projects and subproject status
On 17:51 Thu 10 Jan , Ryan Hill wrote: If you do, I can start doing package mask reports again. I stopped when the GWN did since I didn't think it was very interesting to -dev readers that see the individual announcements anyways. Keep 'em coming to -dev-announce, at least. Without a GWN, that's a good source for keeping up with things. Thanks, Donnie -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
