Re: [gentoo-dev] Add LDFLAGS=-Wl,--hash-style=gnu to developer profile's make.defaults

2010-03-21 Thread Doktor Notor
On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:52:36 -0400
Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote:

 remind me again why this matters ?  binutils has been defaulting to
 hash- style=both for quite a while now.
 -mike

Well, I already tried in my P.S. but let me try again: I'm not
suggesting that devs should have more optimized binaries
- it matters b/c of this in misc-functions.sh:

if [[ ${LDFLAGS} == *--hash-style=gnu* ]]  [[ ${PN} != *-bin ]] ;
then;
do some magic here to detect ignored LDFLAGS
fi

Good candidate to test is net-fs/mount-cifs (tiny, fast)

You *only* get the following QA notice w/ LDFLAGS=-Wl,--hash-style=gnu
set:

 * QA Notice: Files built without respecting LDFLAGS have been detected
 *  Please include the following list of files in your report:
 * /usr/bin/mount.cifs
 * /usr/bin/umount.cifs

If you have another way to detect ignored LDFLAGS in portage, then you
don't need to add anything to devs profiles. :)

Hope that my proposal is more clear now.

Cheers,

DN


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Add LDFLAGS=-Wl,--hash-style=gnu to developer profile's make.defaults

2010-03-21 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 21 March 2010 02:15:17 Doktor Notor wrote:
 On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:52:36 -0400 Mike Frysinger wrote:
  remind me again why this matters ?  binutils has been defaulting to
  hash- style=both for quite a while now.
 
 Well, I already tried in my P.S. but let me try again: I'm not
 suggesting that devs should have more optimized binaries
 - it matters b/c of this in misc-functions.sh:
 
 if [[ ${LDFLAGS} == *--hash-style=gnu* ]]  [[ ${PN} != *-bin ]] ;
 then;
 do some magic here to detect ignored LDFLAGS
 fi
 
 Good candidate to test is net-fs/mount-cifs (tiny, fast)
 
 You *only* get the following QA notice w/ LDFLAGS=-Wl,--hash-style=gnu
 set:

forcing gnu-only hashes breaks some systems, and is a relatively newish 
flag, so it isnt a candidate for global enabling.
-mike


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Add LDFLAGS=-Wl,--hash-style=gnu to developer profile's make.defaults

2010-03-21 Thread Doktor Notor
On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:04:01 -0400
Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote:

 forcing gnu-only hashes breaks some systems, and is a relatively
 newish flag, so it isnt a candidate for global enabling.
 -mike

Well... am I really so difficult to understand?

I do *NOT* want it globally enabled... I want it enabled in 
profiles/targets/developer/make.defaults *only* 

Reason? Spit out the QA warnings about ignored LDFLAGS on maintainers.
Nothing else. Like there's already LD_AS_NEEDED=1 for detecting broken
--as-needed stuff. Is it finally clear now?

Cheers,

DN


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Add LDFLAGS=-Wl,--hash-style=gnu to developer profile's make.defaults

2010-03-21 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 21 March 2010 13:13:12 Doktor Notor wrote:
 On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:04:01 -0400 Mike Frysinger wrote:
  forcing gnu-only hashes breaks some systems, and is a relatively
  newish flag, so it isnt a candidate for global enabling.
  -mike
 
 Well... am I really so difficult to understand?
 
 I do *NOT* want it globally enabled... I want it enabled in
 profiles/targets/developer/make.defaults *only*

so you suggest breaking some developers systems ?  the relevance of my 
statement still doesnt change.
-mike


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Add LDFLAGS=-Wl,--hash-style=gnu to developer profile's make.defaults

2010-03-21 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 03/21/2010 07:04 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
 You *only* get the following QA notice w/ LDFLAGS=-Wl,--hash-style=gnu
 set:
 
 forcing gnu-only hashes breaks some systems, and is a relatively newish 
 flag, so it isnt a candidate for global enabling.
 -mike

The developer profile target is being used only on linux profiles
(quickly grepped profiles) so I'm curious if it would break on one of
them...



Re: [gentoo-dev] Add LDFLAGS=-Wl,--hash-style=gnu to developer profile's make.defaults

2010-03-21 Thread justin
On 21/03/10 18:13, Doktor Notor wrote:
 On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:04:01 -0400
 Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote:
 
 forcing gnu-only hashes breaks some systems, and is a relatively
 newish flag, so it isnt a candidate for global enabling.
 -mike
 
 Well... am I really so difficult to understand?
 
 I do *NOT* want it globally enabled... I want it enabled in 
 profiles/targets/developer/make.defaults *only* 
 
 Reason? Spit out the QA warnings about ignored LDFLAGS on maintainers.
 Nothing else. Like there's already LD_AS_NEEDED=1 for detecting broken
 --as-needed stuff. Is it finally clear now?
 
 Cheers,
 
 DN


I am probably the only one, but I really don't like the way you are
talking! Please change that, otherwise I feel to do something against it!

Having good ideas or pointing out correct things, doesn't give anybody
the right to talk and act in the way you are doing! Not only here but
also in your comments in b.g.o.

Cheers, justin



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Re: [gentoo-dev] Add LDFLAGS=-Wl,--hash-style=gnu to developer profile's make.defaults

2010-03-21 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 21 March 2010 13:29:50 Samuli Suominen wrote:
 On 03/21/2010 07:04 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
  You *only* get the following QA notice w/ LDFLAGS=-Wl,--hash-style=gnu
  
  set:
  forcing gnu-only hashes breaks some systems, and is a relatively newish
  flag, so it isnt a candidate for global enabling.
 
 The developer profile target is being used only on linux profiles
 (quickly grepped profiles) so I'm curious if it would break on one of
 them...

it'll break all mips systems, it'll break on non-glibc systems, and it'll 
break with older glibc/binutils systems.
-mike


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Add LDFLAGS=-Wl,--hash-style=gnu to developer profile's make.defaults

2010-03-21 Thread Doktor Notor
On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:28:18 +0100
justin j...@gentoo.org wrote:

 I am probably the only one, but I really don't like the way you are
 talking! Please change that, otherwise I feel to do something against
 it!
 
 Having good ideas or pointing out correct things, doesn't give anybody
 the right to talk and act in the way you are doing! Not only here but
 also in your comments in b.g.o.

In the very first post, I wrote in the subject: Add
LDFLAGS=-Wl,--hash-style=gnu to *developer* *profile's* make.defaults 
- yet it seems that people just don't read the subjects of threads at
all, otherwise this conversation could not arise. I can't think of more
prominent place to emphasize the main point of the suggestion, well...
it didn't work out it seems, so - apparently wrong assumption on my
side.

For the record, no, I didn't want to break anyone's system - definitely
not more than enabling things like I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING=yes or 
LD_AS_NEEDED=1 already does in that particular profile. The only
thing this flag ever broke on Gentoo was some weird rare MIPS stuff
(Bug 232139 and Bug 233233).

Sorry and forget about this, clearly I suck at explaining things.

Have a nice day.

DN


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Add LDFLAGS=-Wl,--hash-style=gnu to developer profile's make.defaults

2010-03-21 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 03/21/2010 07:41 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
 On Sunday 21 March 2010 13:29:50 Samuli Suominen wrote:
 On 03/21/2010 07:04 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
 You *only* get the following QA notice w/ LDFLAGS=-Wl,--hash-style=gnu

 set:
 forcing gnu-only hashes breaks some systems, and is a relatively newish
 flag, so it isnt a candidate for global enabling.

 The developer profile target is being used only on linux profiles
 (quickly grepped profiles) so I'm curious if it would break on one of
 them...
 
 it'll break all mips systems, it'll break on non-glibc systems, and it'll 
 break with older glibc/binutils systems.
 -mike

*nod*

- Samuli



Re: [gentoo-dev] Add LDFLAGS=-Wl,--hash-style=gnu to developer profile's make.defaults

2010-03-20 Thread Alexis Ballier
On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:46:38 +0100
Doktor Notor notordok...@gmail.com wrote:

 The amount of bugs concerning ebuilds that ignore LDFLAGS suggests
 that this would be a good idea, b/c it seems a many maintainers are
 completely unaware that their ebuilds do not respect LDFLAGS - so I
 guess this needs more visibility.


does it work on non glibc/non linux systems?


Alexis.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Add LDFLAGS=-Wl,--hash-style=gnu to developer profile's make.defaults

2010-03-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 20 March 2010 19:46:38 Doktor Notor wrote:
 The amount of bugs concerning ebuilds that ignore LDFLAGS suggests
 that this would be a good idea, b/c it seems a many maintainers are
 completely unaware that their ebuilds do not respect LDFLAGS - so I
 guess this needs more visibility.

remind me again why this matters ?  binutils has been defaulting to hash-
style=both for quite a while now.
-mike


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