Re: [gentoo-dev] Base profile changes should be announced/discussed on this list.
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Michael Weber x...@gentoo.org wrote: I'd like to see a announcement and an optional discussion on this list if base profile gets changed [0] - current case bug 449364 [1]. I think that makes a lot of sense as a guideline. To me, it's a bit weird to change a USE flag default for everyone based on a discussion on the release team only. Cheers, Dirkjan
Re: [gentoo-dev] Base profile changes should be announced/discussed on this list.
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 08:21:20AM +0200, Michael Weber wrote Mostly everything is configurable, and revertable as user - granted. I'd like to see a announcement and an optional discussion on this list if base profile gets changed [0] - current case bug 449364 [1]. I'm not opposed to the specific change, or base system changes in general, but I don't like seeing them slip thru under the radar. Just have the honesty and brin gsuch changes to public. [In this case] having an working mouse copy'n'paste eases the way from stage3 to a set up X server, X server tends to break, and it doesn't collide with X anymore. So it only needs 1MB data [2], which is very usefull editing stage3 with it's default editor - nano. I see the point that's it's useless on headless virtual boxes. my 2 cents. Hold on a minute. There is a *MAJOR* difference between gpm the USE flag, and sys-libs/gpm the mouse server. I'm one of those weird guys who starts USE with -*. And I do not have gpm the USE flag enabled. I do, however, have sys-libs/gpm running just fine, thank you, minus the gpm flag. I can assure you that gpm works just fine during the install, even without the gpm flag. I see the point that's it's useless on headless virtual boxes Actually, if you ssh into the virtual box from a text console, it still works. If there was a move afoot to remove sys-libs/gpm from the install ISO, I would be part of the crowd up in arms about this. But that's totally a separate item from the USE flag. Since I've never used the gpm USE flag, I have to ask... what additional goodies does USE=gpm bring to the table? How exactly, does it improve things beyond the basic sys-libs/gpm? -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-dev] Base profile changes should be announced/discussed on this list.
On 07/31/2013 11:53 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: Hold on a minute. There is a *MAJOR* difference between gpm the USE flag, and sys-libs/gpm the mouse server. [...] If there was a move afoot to remove sys-libs/gpm from the install ISO, I would be part of the crowd up in arms about this. It does affect the presence of sys-libs/gpm in stage3 tarballs. It gets pulled into stage3 via sys-libs/ncurses[gpm] [1]. Which will no longer be the case, since sys-libs/gpm is not in @system. About additional effects, see [2]. [1] http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/sys-libs/ncurses/ncurses-5.9-r2.ebuild?revision=1.17view=markup [2] michael@x catalyst 1 % equery hasuse gpm * Searching for USE flag gpm ... [IP-] [ ] app-editors/emacs-24.3-r2:24 [IP-] [ ] app-editors/gvim-7.3.1214:0 [IP-] [ ] app-editors/vim-7.3.1214:0 [IP-] [ ] app-misc/mc-4.8.7:0 [IP-] [ ] media-libs/aalib-1.4_rc5:0 [IP-] [ ] sys-libs/ncurses-5.9-r2:5 [IP-] [ ] www-client/elinks-0.12_pre5-r2:0 [IP-] [ ] www-client/links-2.7:2 [IP-] [ ] www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r1:0 -- Michael Weber Gentoo Developer web: https://xmw.de/ mailto: Michael Weber x...@gentoo.org
Re: [gentoo-dev] Base profile changes should be announced/discussed on this list.
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:53 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 08:21:20AM +0200, Michael Weber wrote Mostly everything is configurable, and revertable as user - granted. I'd like to see a announcement and an optional discussion on this list if base profile gets changed [0] - current case bug 449364 [1]. I'm not opposed to the specific change, or base system changes in general, but I don't like seeing them slip thru under the radar. Just have the honesty and brin gsuch changes to public. [In this case] having an working mouse copy'n'paste eases the way from stage3 to a set up X server, X server tends to break, and it doesn't collide with X anymore. So it only needs 1MB data [2], which is very usefull editing stage3 with it's default editor - nano. I see the point that's it's useless on headless virtual boxes. my 2 cents. Hold on a minute. There is a *MAJOR* difference between gpm the USE flag, and sys-libs/gpm the mouse server. I'm one of those weird guys who starts USE with -*. And I do not have gpm the USE flag enabled. I do, however, have sys-libs/gpm running just fine, thank you, minus the gpm flag. I can assure you that gpm works just fine during the install, even without the gpm flag. I see the point that's it's useless on headless virtual boxes Actually, if you ssh into the virtual box from a text console, it still works. If there was a move afoot to remove sys-libs/gpm from the install ISO, I would be part of the crowd up in arms about this. But that's totally a separate item from the USE flag. Since I've never used the gpm USE flag, I have to ask... what additional goodies does USE=gpm bring to the table? How exactly, does it improve things beyond the basic sys-libs/gpm? For most packages, USE=gpm builds them with the gpm library, which generally allows the built program to have the same mouse support on console as it does in an X environment. For example, with vim and USE=X, do ':set mouse=a', and you can use the mouse to navigate and do selections while in X. If you add USE=gpm, you can do the same things in the console environment, which is really handy if you haven't yet mastered vim's myriad of movement commands. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications -Doug
Re: [gentoo-dev] Base profile changes should be announced/discussed on this list.
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:58:37PM +0200, Michael Weber wrote On 07/31/2013 11:53 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: Hold on a minute. There is a *MAJOR* difference between gpm the USE flag, and sys-libs/gpm the mouse server. [...] If there was a move afoot to remove sys-libs/gpm from the install ISO, I would be part of the crowd up in arms about this. It does affect the presence of sys-libs/gpm in stage3 tarballs. It gets pulled into stage3 via sys-libs/ncurses[gpm] [1]. Which will no longer be the case, since sys-libs/gpm is not in @system. About additional effects, see [2]. [1] http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/sys-libs/ncurses/ncurses-5.9-r2.ebuild?revision=1.17view=markup [2] michael@x catalyst 1 % equery hasuse gpm * Searching for USE flag gpm ... [IP-] [ ] app-editors/emacs-24.3-r2:24 [IP-] [ ] app-editors/gvim-7.3.1214:0 [IP-] [ ] app-editors/vim-7.3.1214:0 [IP-] [ ] app-misc/mc-4.8.7:0 [IP-] [ ] media-libs/aalib-1.4_rc5:0 [IP-] [ ] sys-libs/ncurses-5.9-r2:5 [IP-] [ ] www-client/elinks-0.12_pre5-r2:0 [IP-] [ ] www-client/links-2.7:2 [IP-] [ ] www-client/w3m-0.5.3-r1:0 -- Michael Weber Gentoo Developer web: https://xmw.de/ mailto: Michael Weber x...@gentoo.org -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-dev] Base profile changes should be announced/discussed on this list.
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 12:58:37PM +0200, Michael Weber wrote On 07/31/2013 11:53 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: Hold on a minute. There is a *MAJOR* difference between gpm the USE flag, and sys-libs/gpm the mouse server. [...] If there was a move afoot to remove sys-libs/gpm from the install ISO, I would be part of the crowd up in arms about this. It does affect the presence of sys-libs/gpm in stage3 tarballs. It gets pulled into stage3 via sys-libs/ncurses[gpm] [1]. Which will no longer be the case, since sys-libs/gpm is not in @system. Arrrgh; I apologize for that fumble-fingers moment. I think I just sent an unfinished message. What I was going to say was that gpm appears to be active on the minimal install ISO. That comes before the stage tarball. Or is the proposal to remove gpm altogether from the install ISO? I would be unhappy with that, to say the least. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
