Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 11/02/13 05:27, Peter Stuge wrote: I, as another user, prefer not to have a whole bunch of firmware installed if I only want one or two of them. +1. Also licences. It's a mess. Not suggesting that *I* have the magic-unicorn-land-perfect solution at hand though. On 09/02/13 10:09, Samuli Suominen wrote: Maybe you don't understand how linux-firmware package works. It only installs what you want -- it uses the savedconfig eclass to handle a list of wanted firmwares. I admit I never bothered to trim down my install of it, but the point is YOU CAN do it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds like opt-out. I very much dislike opt-out. - -- Alexander alexan...@plaimi.net http://plaimi.net/~alexander -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlEYs9sACgkQRtClrXBQc7VAzAD/aJu22LzmrX1gYWl3BgqDslHP Zcpy+RXkGOgpqEY7tlkA/0jrJIdr8EyeMx2mgM8ccY/RX4X5U0q0hVjRfCv2QkZe =phoR -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/10/2013 11:27 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: J. Roeleveld wrote: I, as a user, prefer not to have to hunt for firmware for devices supported vy the kernel. I would either install all of them or filter out the firmwares for devices I am unlikely to get. I, as another user, prefer not to have a whole bunch of firmware installed if I only want one or two of them. Then you, as a user, should use savedconfig or come up with an alternate suggestion for how to handle this. I really am open to a better why to pick firmware that needs to be installed, but maintaining hundreds of individual packages is not that way. - -Zero -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRGQABAAoJEKXdFCfdEflKUrwQAKK++u/KTXtO6ELDc13sx8mr uNNVhaIj+kAthnpkeRXovobdZb6X2TOYnMOjfrwQcahgPuKjeh+xLL0dLGorIGC2 F0XQj8MQPI1EeNNK8evZxWEjzT4UNYovsmOq5m9k4ZMpEMzFJ+N7KLsMV51enpXn CSmw7/ZaNDoGFl0t0cLuBGLkz8TbOQ4Elsqm0O5GduSI8S72Zc78Or++sPOWgxG2 BrcYzlljgrM+kjaCuejQFd+Mn+9jF+STuZcZtGiDCa5bQlRLfbdlqRmVKMkBEHa1 vV3DqHPm2ywC/dbsmWP9PoFUrG2Nm63V1g/B+/WQBIeAZyKGWoKz1B9W0xRazlQs Axnpy61TOxzH+SJ/Z6w2BHuXqabIsgLFOjmq7u4hnJFg1CXESNG5E5tFE4XBskjr sf6UcAZLCtUxgA/2QQd+fUPndbVfFr11XC1xpHqi3jMoJCG+kNxSeVdzyZx5l+iG NcCAXujuoUehvkpEmcyCAjKL8gXOsHsfkEUxhQC91u8w8cddi3nfYyY6mLGuxJzG M9ZKns+iRvkZSVPYC1ffzFxhvwa8jMFwMI7/qCGVxTm6Mgt00zyjr7sfcem1qEvL NGsaY9htKSjYDXuUkqVBmYBtRAE9AYZCgt87sY6PfqffQrMKDxyO6Hg8zWG+YlDB adFQPPJ7AABr4du4NdNw =Qpzc -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/11/2013 04:03 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: On 11/02/13 05:27, Peter Stuge wrote: I, as another user, prefer not to have a whole bunch of firmware installed if I only want one or two of them. +1. Also licences. It's a mess. Not suggesting that *I* have the magic-unicorn-land-perfect solution at hand though. On 09/02/13 10:09, Samuli Suominen wrote: Maybe you don't understand how linux-firmware package works. It only installs what you want -- it uses the savedconfig eclass to handle a list of wanted firmwares. I admit I never bothered to trim down my install of it, but the point is YOU CAN do it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds like opt-out. I very much dislike opt-out. I'm sorry but emerge linux-firmware is not opt-out that would be the opposite. You are specifically opting in by installing it (as you are with ANY package in gentoo). Nothing pulls in linux-firmware afaik you must install it manually. If you don't like how much is installed use savedconfig or just download the firmware you need and drop it in place and when it breaks you know to update. We didn't cause this issue, as a whole the kernel community is no longer accepting new firmware in the kernel tree. All of it is moved into linux-firmware. Honestly I don't understand why people want broken hardware, but if you do, by all means don't install linux-firmware. Years ago firmware was just included, you always got it, and no one complainedgood times. - -Zero -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRGQDFAAoJEKXdFCfdEflKZWEP/jzRjF4fFPyEWQpP8+I8ic5/ aD12BhB1VFWWjgAGAuFWiv9L3kJk+FttW6yUYNpXORA1OOp82l3n30f6pU/q4dG6 E0XvZsfKemvgjaZwWQTJzQHPkDMX2mYhSLb+e6YTxXh78W+g+NhAYqcnYhPlUkFF RUslsAwitLXj3zqCGflwYSmX1V5rbZX+TNvXlR2hHzfrAVMYwlMPV8m69YsLODN5 OhUMFybul5XXoxMp3uGaMYS7U03TU0atr7eSK8F6U4ggKqkvD8F/dZa+yRehFu0E 3Hym/QlWPNwluYBvkoXs+w6Y62NV0VbdqzAEWaofxhBCO8Tm8zSgeFAlrn7T5NgL X3GSPe69P9tkTYOLavstW+g7uYDX+1bPzjltuHnhM5f5r69UVA8Tdu94K4PsxsmH lmvXsMIieT7VHq0op9wbxEXwebPvcK0GeYUwKwB3AftjbH0zFSTX1RtkFXQ+yRid RNPcAkmu8JTknUjhOd+2lfyqOuptT5xqY+0ZRlXZyxrvJHmC/EqMD/3xJRH/YPwK +8Q5ZCJKvDY0TaC+I06Bh3hToXnCTH5gyVuOvxRM67wM1z8cJsFIY7ZkmxtLaxEh L+//l3SvWFEfab3HkL090JdLCRLTWYf/FlDdtD3voKQTwupZENmbAglNy7LbpJ9h OkDR4QWjHWQeSeITjwUz =grUv -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: Any objections if I slap a generic package.mask on every firmware package installing to wrong directory? Half of them install to /$(get_libdir)/firmware as opposed to correct /lib/firmware. Most of them are maintainer-needed@ and very old. Then intrested parties get to fix what they want and unmask? - Samuli Whatever is correct and sticks should have a pkgmove added so that users don't have long lasting issues. -- Doug Goldstein
Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory
J. Roeleveld wrote: I, as a user, prefer not to have to hunt for firmware for devices supported vy the kernel. I would either install all of them or filter out the firmwares for devices I am unlikely to get. I, as another user, prefer not to have a whole bunch of firmware installed if I only want one or two of them. //Peter
Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory
On Fri, 8 Feb 2013, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: 2013/2/8 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu: I would say that we might want to review linux-firmware, and if the newest firmware _is_ there, just get rid of the split one. That should be probably the best approach, to actually kill of the lone ones and keep the linux-firmware only. I disagree. Why should we force users to install lots of crap (some of it being non-free) that they will never need because they don't have the hardware? Ulrich
Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory
On 09/02/13 11:06, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Fri, 8 Feb 2013, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: 2013/2/8 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu: I would say that we might want to review linux-firmware, and if the newest firmware _is_ there, just get rid of the split one. That should be probably the best approach, to actually kill of the lone ones and keep the linux-firmware only. I disagree. Why should we force users to install lots of crap (some of it being non-free) that they will never need because they don't have the hardware? Ulrich Maybe you don't understand how linux-firmware package works. It only installs what you want -- it uses the savedconfig eclass to handle a list of wanted firmwares. I admit I never bothered to trim down my install of it, but the point is YOU CAN do it. - Samuli
Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory
Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, 8 Feb 2013, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: 2013/2/8 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu: I would say that we might want to review linux-firmware, and if the newest firmware _is_ there, just get rid of the split one. That should be probably the best approach, to actually kill of the lone ones and keep the linux-firmware only. I disagree. Why should we force users to install lots of crap (some of it being non-free) that they will never need because they don't have the hardware? Ulrich Why not specify which firmwares are to be installed using a 'FIRMWARE' variable. Similar to VIDEOCARDS? -- Joost Roeleveld -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory
On 09/02/13 11:11, J. Roeleveld wrote: Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, 8 Feb 2013, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: 2013/2/8 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu: I would say that we might want to review linux-firmware, and if the newest firmware _is_ there, just get rid of the split one. That should be probably the best approach, to actually kill of the lone ones and keep the linux-firmware only. I disagree. Why should we force users to install lots of crap (some of it being non-free) that they will never need because they don't have the hardware? Ulrich Why not specify which firmwares are to be installed using a 'FIRMWARE' variable. Similar to VIDEOCARDS? Read my last reply. It's already supported through savedconfig.eclass. You only get what you want.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory
On Sat, 09 Feb 2013, Samuli Suominen wrote: I disagree. Why should we force users to install lots of crap (some of it being non-free) that they will never need because they don't have the hardware? Maybe you don't understand how linux-firmware package works. It only installs what you want -- it uses the savedconfig eclass to handle a list of wanted firmwares. I admit I never bothered to trim down my install of it, but the point is YOU CAN do it. I stand corrected. Ulrich
Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory
Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 09/02/13 11:11, J. Roeleveld wrote: Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, 8 Feb 2013, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: 2013/2/8 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu: I would say that we might want to review linux-firmware, and if the newest firmware _is_ there, just get rid of the split one. That should be probably the best approach, to actually kill of the lone ones and keep the linux-firmware only. I disagree. Why should we force users to install lots of crap (some of it being non-free) that they will never need because they don't have the hardware? Ulrich Why not specify which firmwares are to be installed using a 'FIRMWARE' variable. Similar to VIDEOCARDS? Read my last reply. It's already supported through savedconfig.eclass. You only get what you want. I read it. Came after I sent my reply. Not familiar with that class myself. Will take your word it allows limiting the firmware. I, as a user, prefer not to have to hunt for firmware for devices supported vy the kernel. I would either install all of them or filter out the firmwares for devices I am unlikely to get. -- Joost Roeleveld -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory
On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 11:09:15 +0200 Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: On 09/02/13 11:06, Ulrich Mueller wrote: On Fri, 8 Feb 2013, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: 2013/2/8 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu: I would say that we might want to review linux-firmware, and if the newest firmware _is_ there, just get rid of the split one. That should be probably the best approach, to actually kill of the lone ones and keep the linux-firmware only. I disagree. Why should we force users to install lots of crap (some of it being non-free) that they will never need because they don't have the hardware? Ulrich Maybe you don't understand how linux-firmware package works. It only installs what you want -- it uses the savedconfig eclass to handle a list of wanted firmwares. I admit I never bothered to trim down my install of it, but the point is YOU CAN do it. I don't think that solves the license problem properly. Say, if user doesn't want non-free software, he's going to have the whole package masked. He'd have to work-around license + savedconfig. Now that I look at it, it seems that the ebuild doesn't even put all necessary licenses into LICENSE. I may be wrong but the git repo seems to have a lot of non-standard licenses. -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory
On Sat, 9 Feb 2013, Michał Górny wrote: I don't think that solves the license problem properly. Say, if user doesn't want non-free software, he's going to have the whole package masked. He'd have to work-around license + savedconfig. Now that I look at it, it seems that the ebuild doesn't even put all necessary licenses into LICENSE. I may be wrong but the git repo seems to have a lot of non-standard licenses. Yes, it is a mess and it changes often. You can find an attempt to disentangle it in bug 318841. Ulrich
Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory
On 08/02/2013 18:53, Samuli Suominen wrote: Then intrested parties get to fix what they want and unmask? I would say that we might want to review linux-firmware, and if the newest firmware _is_ there, just get rid of the split one. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory
2013/2/8 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu: On 08/02/2013 18:53, Samuli Suominen wrote: Then intrested parties get to fix what they want and unmask? I would say that we might want to review linux-firmware, and if the newest firmware _is_ there, just get rid of the split one. That should be probably the best approach, to actually kill of the lone ones and keep the linux-firmware only. Tom
Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory
El vie, 08-02-2013 a las 19:01 +0100, Diego Elio Pettenò escribió: On 08/02/2013 18:53, Samuli Suominen wrote: Then intrested parties get to fix what they want and unmask? I would say that we might want to review linux-firmware, and if the newest firmware _is_ there, just get rid of the split one. Would prefer this option for maintainer-needed firmwares and fix the rest if possible signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 08/02/13 01:14 PM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: 2013/2/8 Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu: On 08/02/2013 18:53, Samuli Suominen wrote: Then intrested parties get to fix what they want and unmask? I would say that we might want to review linux-firmware, and if the newest firmware _is_ there, just get rid of the split one. That should be probably the best approach, to actually kill of the lone ones and keep the linux-firmware only. Tom There aren't cases where a user with older hardware would want to have access to the older (lone) firmwares, is there? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlEVQMkACgkQ2ugaI38ACPAqVwD/S9mjN2lGoQbffIRZqraAg5SI NxsksQcjwS0EgtTQ2MYBAKeCzrLhtXRpQSn6i2fXlDLFk3W1Qa/RhiPQmWfU3iCw =SPkG -END PGP SIGNATURE-
