Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Glep 55 use case: moving slot to file name

2008-09-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:12:30 +0300
Petteri Räty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Icedtea has two release tracks. One for the 1.7 OpenJDK code base and 
 one for the 1.6 code base. They have independent version numbering so 
 they can have collisions. By moving the slot to the file name we
 could have icedtea-1.2:1.6.ebuildN and icedtea-1.2:1.7.ebuildN. This 
 particular situation can be worked around of course but it might also
 be better to keep the slot in the file name any way because I often
 find myself needing to know the slot of an ebuild (adjutrix -k of
 course already does this for me quite nicely).

Allowing multiple slots per version would require significant VDB
changes. Unfortunately we're still stuck with using VDB as-is whilst
EAPIs 0, 1 or 2 hang around...

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Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Glep 55 use case: moving slot to file name

2008-09-12 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 14:56 Fri 12 Sep , Doug Goldstein wrote:
 Petteri Räty wrote:
  Icedtea has two release tracks. One for the 1.7 OpenJDK code base and
  one for the 1.6 code base. They have independent version numbering so
  they can have collisions. By moving the slot to the file name we could
  have icedtea-1.2:1.6.ebuildN and icedtea-1.2:1.7.ebuildN. This
  particular situation can be worked around of course but it might also
  be better to keep the slot in the file name any way because I often
  find myself needing to know the slot of an ebuild (adjutrix -k of
  course already does this for me quite nicely).
 
  Regards,
  Petteri
 
 What's wrong with icedtea17-1.2 and icedtea16-1.2, because if its two
 different code bases that come up with two different tarballs that could
 be versioned differently or same that is the definition of a different
 package.

Have you considered reordering the versions it slightly, like this?

  icedtea-1.7.${version} (SLOT=1.7)
  icedtea-1.6.${version} (SLOT=1.6)

This allows you to keep it in the same package name and thus be more 
similar to how upstream handles it. The SLOT still allows for useful 
dependencies, and people installing any icedtea will automatically get 
the newest one without having to somehow choose which of multiple 
package names is right.

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Thanks,
Donnie

Donnie Berkholz
Developer, Gentoo Linux
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Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Glep 55 use case: moving slot to file name

2008-09-12 Thread Petteri Räty

Donnie Berkholz kirjoitti:

On 14:56 Fri 12 Sep , Doug Goldstein wrote:

Petteri Räty wrote:

Icedtea has two release tracks. One for the 1.7 OpenJDK code base and
one for the 1.6 code base. They have independent version numbering so
they can have collisions. By moving the slot to the file name we could
have icedtea-1.2:1.6.ebuildN and icedtea-1.2:1.7.ebuildN. This
particular situation can be worked around of course but it might also
be better to keep the slot in the file name any way because I often
find myself needing to know the slot of an ebuild (adjutrix -k of
course already does this for me quite nicely).

Regards,
Petteri


What's wrong with icedtea17-1.2 and icedtea16-1.2, because if its two
different code bases that come up with two different tarballs that could
be versioned differently or same that is the definition of a different
package.


Have you considered reordering the versions it slightly, like this?

  icedtea-1.7.${version} (SLOT=1.7)
  icedtea-1.6.${version} (SLOT=1.6)

This allows you to keep it in the same package name and thus be more 
similar to how upstream handles it. The SLOT still allows for useful 
dependencies, and people installing any icedtea will automatically get 
the newest one without having to somehow choose which of multiple 
package names is right.




I do know how to get around it, I did state that in my original email. 
As it happens we are having a discussion on gentoo-java mailing list on 
whether we should use icedtea-openjdk build.icedtea version.ebuild 
or have different packages for the different slots. One of the upstream 
authors argues for the icedtea6 approach but to me it seems a bit 
Debianish but I agree with him on that 6.09.1.2 is not that clean either.


Regards,
Petteri



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Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Glep 55 use case: moving slot to file name

2008-09-12 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 22:21 Fri 12 Sep , Petteri Räty wrote:
 I do know how to get around it, I did state that in my original email.  
 As it happens we are having a discussion on gentoo-java mailing list on  
 whether we should use icedtea-openjdk build.icedtea version.ebuild  
 or have different packages for the different slots. One of the upstream  
 authors argues for the icedtea6 approach but to me it seems a bit  
 Debianish but I agree with him on that 6.09.1.2 is not that clean either.

I also agree that it's not clean. Perhaps you could encourage your 
friendly upstream developers to have a versioning system that doesn't 
suck?

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Thanks,
Donnie

Donnie Berkholz
Developer, Gentoo Linux
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Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Glep 55 use case: moving slot to file name

2008-09-12 Thread Petteri Räty

Donnie Berkholz kirjoitti:

On 22:21 Fri 12 Sep , Petteri Räty wrote:
I do know how to get around it, I did state that in my original email.  
As it happens we are having a discussion on gentoo-java mailing list on  
whether we should use icedtea-openjdk build.icedtea version.ebuild  
or have different packages for the different slots. One of the upstream  
authors argues for the icedtea6 approach but to me it seems a bit  
Debianish but I agree with him on that 6.09.1.2 is not that clean either.


I also agree that it's not clean. Perhaps you could encourage your 
friendly upstream developers to have a versioning system that doesn't 
suck?




Well if we strictly follow upstream naming and versioning then we don't 
need the two part version numbers but end up with packages named icedtea 
and icedtea6.


Regards,
Petteri



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