Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Please don't use IUSE=static-libs unless really necessary

2011-09-19 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday, September 19, 2011 18:25:36 Duncan wrote:
 Mike Frysinger posted on Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:05:39 -0400 as excerpted:
  On Monday, September 19, 2011 11:35:09 Michał Górny wrote:
  On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 11:11:31 -0400 Mike Frysinger wrote:
 by that token, i'll go ahead and remove glibc's static libraries
 since upstream doesn't even support static linking

I'm probably ignorant so you'd have to elaborate more on that to
make me see a problem there.
   
   think about it a little bit.  your system is using static binaries
   right now, and considering you like to push systemd + initramfs so
   much, i would have thought you'd realize the implications more
   quickly.
  
  Hm, I seem to fail to notice other static binaries than busybox. And I
  don't think I use any specific configuration which makes me need static
  binaries;
  
  by default, tools that are needed to easily recover a system
  (busybox/cryptsetup/lvm/etc...) are IUSE=+static, and every binary that
  goes into initramfs is statically linked.
 
 By default?  That's begging the question (logic sense) and consequently
 does not properly support your blanket your system is using static
 binaries right now statement.

busybox always produces static binaries since it's the rescue shell.  the rest 
are just by default.  glibc itself installs static binaries (ldconfig much?).  
so i'm comfortable with my previous statement.

 So what sort of static binaries am I running (other than the pre-packaged
 grub-static as already mentioned), and are they really necessarily so?

it depends on the configuration.  yours would seem to not need it.  but there 
are many which include it.

 FWIW, no busybox here.  It wouldn't build when I installed back in 2004,
 so I package.provided it for later.  I tried it again a couple times but
 by then it was quite clear that it really was NOT needed, so eventually I
 decided I had better things to do than tilt at that windmill.  (I use a
 second root image, updated AND TESTED when the system appears to be
 working well, as my emergency recovery solution, thus don't need busybox.)

that's fine.  Gentoo has always included a static rescue shell as part of its 
system and i don't see a need to change that now.  but if you have something 
that works better for you, then all the more power to you.  that's the reason 
we have these knobs like package.provided.
-mike


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Please don't use IUSE=static-libs unless really necessary

2011-09-19 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday, September 19, 2011 20:58:41 Mike Frysinger wrote:
 On Monday, September 19, 2011 18:25:36 Duncan wrote:
  By default?  That's begging the question (logic sense) and consequently
  does not properly support your blanket your system is using static
  binaries right now statement.
 
 busybox always produces static binaries since it's the rescue shell.  the
 rest are just by default.  glibc itself installs static binaries (ldconfig
 much?). so i'm comfortable with my previous statement.

and prelink
-mike


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