Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring)

2009-05-10 Thread Thilo Bangert
Olivier Huber oli.hu...@gmail.com said: Hi, 2009/5/4 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org [snip] For those, who can work with IRC and are interested in working with ebuilds, there is already an option: Join #gentoo-dev-help or even better #gentoo-sunrise and read the documentation from

Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring)

2009-05-06 Thread Gilles Dartiguelongue
Le mardi 05 mai 2009 à 01:59 +0200, Olivier Huber a écrit : Hi, [...] , I propose to add a bug-with-patch alias or something like that. Cheers, You mean something like the Inclusion keyword in bugzilla ? Or maybe a separate keyword that would indicate unreviewed patches. It's sad we

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-06 Thread Peter Faraday Weller
On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 01:45 +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 05 May 2009 23:45:14 AllenJB wrote: [..snip..] I am sure there are some developers which can offer a great amount of time to help/revibe slacking or dead projects ( e.g. userrel, newsletters etc ). The thing is that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-06 Thread Roy Bamford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2009.05.06 19:32, Peter Faraday Weller wrote: On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 01:45 +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 05 May 2009 23:45:14 AllenJB wrote: [..snip..] I am sure there are some developers which can offer a great amount of time to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-06 Thread Peter Faraday Weller
On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 19:40 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote: [..snip..] [snip] The only issue I have with the idea is that projects with dead members and slacking leaders are unlikely to perform such a task, so you'll never get any updates from them, so devs will be demotivated to work on

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Richard Freeman
Markos Chandras wrote: Even a volunteer-driven organization needs some standard rules in order to survive. From time to time this volunteer moto is what some people consider as anarchy As far as survival goes - I think the rumors of Gentoo's death are greatly exaggerated. I certainly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 16:50:47 Richard Freeman wrote: Markos Chandras wrote: Even a volunteer-driven organization needs some standard rules in order to survive. From time to time this volunteer moto is what some people consider as anarchy As far as survival goes - I think the rumors of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Tobias Klausmann
Hi! On Tue, 05 May 2009, Markos Chandras wrote: Arch teams, according to their project pages, are in a good shape. Major arches have enough people ( assuming that the project pages are up2date ) If I keel over and armin76 is stuck in work/'versity, the alpha dev count is 0. Not exactly good,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Thomas Anderson
On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 05:06:43PM +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 05 May 2009 16:50:47 Richard Freeman wrote: Arch teams seem to be generally doing a good job keeping up with STABLEREQs on the major archs - if you use a minor arch that isn't as well supported I'm sure we'd be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Sergio D . Rodríguez Inclan
Could be a good idea publish a status of each Gentoo project and see what is needed, so the users/devs can offer some help. -- Sergio D. Rodríguez Inclan - http://srinclan.wordpress.com Linux User #446728 --

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 19:26:23 Sergio D. Rodríguez Inclan wrote: Could be a good idea publish a status of each Gentoo project and see what is needed, so the users/devs can offer some help. Publish where? Blogs? mailing list? Forums? we dont have a centralized way to inform users about such

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Robert Bridge
Markos Chandras wrote: Some one could say Post it on gentoo.org homepage. I wonder if users ever visit that page to read gentoo news :\ I can safely say that some never do... RobbieAB

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread George Prowse
Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 05 May 2009 19:26:00 Thomas Anderson wrote: On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 05:06:43PM +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 05 May 2009 16:50:47 Richard Freeman wrote: Arch teams seem to be generally doing a good job keeping up with STABLEREQs on the major archs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Mounir Lamouri
Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 05 May 2009 19:26:23 Sergio D. Rodríguez Inclan wrote: Could be a good idea publish a status of each Gentoo project and see what is needed, so the users/devs can offer some help. [snip] Some one could say Post it on gentoo.org homepage. I wonder if

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 19:52:34 George Prowse wrote: Is all this help needed stuff that ordinary users can help out with? If so dont people go and ask for help in the forums? I assume that this recruitment process does not address to every single gentoo user but to those who actually have

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 20:03:58 Mounir Lamouri wrote: Markos Chandras wrote: On Tuesday 05 May 2009 19:26:23 Sergio D. Rodríguez Inclan wrote: Could be a good idea publish a status of each Gentoo project and see what is needed, so the users/devs can offer some help. [snip] Some one

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Sergio D . Rodríguez Inclan
There is already such a place [1] but I think not so much people knows about it. [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/staffing-needs/ Mounir None of the problems mentioned here are present on that page, the information that could be useful is: how many developers are active, which are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread AllenJB
George Prowse wrote: Peter Faraday Weller wrote: Hi Thanks, welp Sad to hear it mate. As the person who did your first install for you (i think) I think you will be missed. I am quite surprised about what you said about the state of things because i've got the distinct impression

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-05 Thread Markos Chandras
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 23:45:14 AllenJB wrote: George Prowse wrote: Peter Faraday Weller wrote: Hi Thanks, welp Sad to hear it mate. As the person who did your first install for you (i think) I think you will be missed. I am quite surprised about what you said about

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-04 Thread Markos Chandras
On Monday 04 May 2009 00:26:13 Peter Faraday Weller wrote: Hi, I've enjoyed my time with Gentoo, mostly... But these days I've just got too demotivated to work on it. I might have stayed if Ken69267 posted me some Lifesavers, but he didn't. :( On a more serious note, the problem seems to be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-04 Thread Ferris McCormick
On Mon, 4 May 2009 04:34:20 -0400 Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: On Monday 04 May 2009 00:26:13 Peter Faraday Weller wrote: Hi, I've enjoyed my time with Gentoo, mostly... But these days I've just got too demotivated to work on it. I might have stayed if Ken69267 posted me

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-04 Thread Markos Chandras
On Monday 04 May 2009 14:50:56 Ferris McCormick wrote: On Mon, 4 May 2009 04:34:20 -0400 [..] I've been a developer a bit over 5 years. We know the problems and are working to fix them. I am sure that you know them. But those problems are the reasons why more and more developers are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-04 Thread Vlastimil Babka
Peter Faraday Weller wrote: On a more serious note, the problem seems to be the complete lack of management in the required places, Gentoo is fast becoming (or more likely, already is) an anarchic organisation, where it's becoming nigh-on impossible to keep track of things. I see a number of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-04 Thread Markos Chandras
On Monday 04 May 2009 18:54:09 Vlastimil Babka wrote: Peter Faraday Weller wrote: On a more serious note, the problem seems to be the complete lack of management in the required places, Gentoo is fast becoming (or more likely, already is) an anarchic organisation, where it's becoming

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-04 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 4 May 2009 19:36:04 +0300 Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: Or pushing more and more EAPI's will? No... As I said before Gentoo is quite understaffed. First we need people. Then we can concentrate on features :) As it happens, a lot of the features that go into EAPIs are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-04 Thread George Prowse
Peter Faraday Weller wrote: Hi Thanks, welp Sad to hear it mate. As the person who did your first install for you (i think) I think you will be missed. I am quite surprised about what you said about the state of things because i've got the distinct impression from others that Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-04 Thread Mario Fetka
On Monday, 4. May 2009 19:06:12 George Prowse wrote: Peter Faraday Weller wrote: Hi Thanks, welp Sad to hear it mate. As the person who did your first install for you (i think) I think you will be missed. I am quite surprised about what you said about the state of things

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-04 Thread Mario Fetka
On Monday, 4. May 2009 19:06:12 George Prowse wrote: Peter Faraday Weller wrote: Hi Thanks, welp Sad to hear it mate. As the person who did your first install for you (i think) I think you will be missed. I am quite surprised about what you said about the state of things

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-04 Thread Richard Freeman
Markos Chandras wrote: I am sure that you know them. But those problems are the reasons why more and more developers are demotivated and leaving Gentoo. 'Fixing' those problems should be a N1 priority on every gentoo council meeting until they are gone. There is absolutely no point in trying

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-04 Thread Markos Chandras
On Monday 04 May 2009 21:24:11 Richard Freeman wrote: Markos Chandras wrote: I am sure that you know them. But those problems are the reasons why more and more developers are demotivated and leaving Gentoo. 'Fixing' those problems should be a N1 priority on every gentoo council meeting

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-04 Thread Markos Chandras
On Monday 04 May 2009 20:06:12 George Prowse wrote: Peter Faraday Weller wrote: Hi Thanks, welp Sad to hear it mate. As the person who did your first install for you (i think) I think you will be missed. I am quite surprised about what you said about the state of things

Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring)

2009-05-04 Thread Thomas Sachau
Mario Fetka schrieb: On Monday, 4. May 2009 19:06:12 George Prowse wrote: Peter Faraday Weller wrote: Hi Thanks, welp Sad to hear it mate. As the person who did your first install for you (i think) I think you will be missed. I am quite surprised about what you said about the state

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2009-05-04 Thread Tiziano Müller
Am Montag, den 04.05.2009, 15:35 +0300 schrieb Markos Chandras: On Monday 04 May 2009 14:50:56 Ferris McCormick wrote: On Mon, 4 May 2009 04:34:20 -0400 [..] I've been a developer a bit over 5 years. We know the problems and are working to fix them. I am sure that you know them. But

Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring)

2009-05-04 Thread Olivier Huber
Hi, 2009/5/4 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org [snip] For those, who can work with IRC and are interested in working with ebuilds, there is already an option: Join #gentoo-dev-help or even better #gentoo-sunrise and read the documentation from the topic. The Sunrise Overlay (with the

Re: Training points for users interested in helping out with ebuild development (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring)

2009-05-04 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Olivier Huber oli.hu...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] dirtyepic made a funny entry on his blog [1] and darkside tried also to do something [2], but it seems to me that this alias is a black [snip] You forgot the references :) Don't postpone putting them till the end!

Re: [gentoo-dev] retiring + looking maintainers for sendmail, tenshi, scapy, ftester

2008-02-07 Thread Robert Buchholz
On Wednesday 06 February 2008, Andrea Barisani wrote: Hi folks, I'm retiring. Sorry to hear that. I was maintaining the following packages: app-admin/tenshi (note: I'm upstream as well) mail-mta/sendmail net-analyzer/scapy net-analyzer/ftester (note: I'm upstream as well)

Re: [gentoo-dev] retiring + looking maintainers for sendmail, tenshi, scapy, ftester

2008-02-07 Thread Tobias Scherbaum
Heya, Andrea Barisani wrote: Hi folks, I'm retiring. Sorry to see you go - i'd like to especially thank you for your ldap+ssh +lpk effort! thanks! :) I was maintaining the following packages: app-admin/tenshi (note: I'm upstream as well) I can take a look at tenshi if noone else is

Re: [gentoo-dev] retiring + looking maintainers for sendmail, tenshi, scapy, ftester

2008-02-06 Thread Mike Auty
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sorry to see you leave, I can maintain scapy if no one else wants to? Mike 5:) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHqglzu7rWomwgFXoRAismAJ4+4D50v0k6VSRfEfRV4mMiBP9QHACeLHJB 1IYpKEqzWFsdiFYXG7IJyhc=

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retiring

2008-02-04 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 21:18 Mon 04 Feb , Kevin F. Quinn wrote: I'm finally giving in to reality and retiring as a Gentoo Dev. I've been effectively inactive since March last year and lack of time means that isn't going to change any time soon. I'll still be using Gentoo of course, so I'll still stick my