Re: [gentoo-dev] Support for Python 3
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 29-10-2010 23:24, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > 2010-10-26 02:45:10 Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto napisał(a): >> On 25-10-2010 13:37, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: >>> I would like to suggest that setting Python 3.1 as main active version of >>> Python be officially >>> supported and recommended for Gentoo developers since 2010-12-01. Majority >>> of packages supporting >>> only Python 2.* have been prepared to work correctly in situation when >>> Python 3.* is set as main >>> active version of Python. I would like to encourage other developers to >>> work on fixing remaining >>> packages. >> >> Until we're certain that will not cause automatic weekly stages and cds >> to fail to build again, please don't. > > I suggest some changes for Gentoo developers (so that they can find, report > and potentially > fix bugs before other users would reproduce these bugs), not weekly stages or > cds. If your proposal is only about telling people, starting by developers, to use Python-3.1 as their default python version so they can test it and help iron out any bugs and no change is going to be committed to the tree any time soon to make python-3.1 as default, then the proposal is of no consequence and I dare to say no interest to the Release Engineering team. However, if you're trying to force the use of python-3.1 in the tree and plan to commit changes that will do so, then yours is not an acceptable answer, in particular given recent history. Consumers of the stable tree are not and should not be treated as "guinea pigs". Given the previous effects on the automated builds, in this case, I'll request for the Release Engineering team a moratorium on making Python-3.1 the default python version on a system until the releng team can test and ensure that won't break the automated builds. Gentoo developers need to take into consideration users of the stable tree and should remember that the automated weekly cds and stages are built from stable ebuilds. Thus any breakage on a stable ebuild can kill the automated builds or lead to unusable cds and or stages. - -- Regards, Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections / RelEng -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJMy3QcAAoJEC8ZTXQF1qEPNj4QAKIygPhfwZmNmNDo0dgyRJGL rlY0L6K26DlI6nrRar+uTXt3uI27xyj9iItRfs+w+P07vGcqvaaov3E3XwFbRcCB Bof/scT1bf9IFTBKeHzKt0MMSu0GeMaouYO2+NQcgrgi33qFQJblAWM3Nz9OJbEG rUbNtsznfqMcYsLnxEgc6EHujXC4L40IlAP3gaPtfR1bhKLR4RDq+IJVrxus6Cg4 WZzLjJGK+VqMtwYm1FKoCDbAYBPkj/ee36sabB+BSwyugCCLEt6ux1PQBzUHZ337 uJDk5lYd/9MX1qOe+NzI53yxBqXRPo/OzxUxpR+2S0IFyaUiks90AE2OqMpBHx/l BzRMJ2LkUBIyN6w7gw1absxjsAmesdfRzOn9B+cXFb5oAgTvQAlvCU5dxILIqirA L5xHXu6tUFmbI4hHHsNSTYI64RRAbPt2VIIqMXJe3Z5Sz8qSskvTJOM8+CmJ9cA4 GNqGUnReQvpGVQlm+dMgybgYFMAUYJa8kk1+szMwzApMbI5IergL1LC7S4KH/boW SrLcjjzBThIMy5GddkrtV6HlveINigFxhGghK7rHoIIKLWT8oJkm5VD4+GAl6Z1G QbKwDDulmDa5lRjAGd6ZXHoHt2jL1LQRFzk6FDC1v8jr+gTGzNTsZSLy7bcP+qPH U+CWKYCRbhrKT1SqD+aF =MAN6 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Support for Python 3
2010-10-26 02:45:10 Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto napisał(a): > On 25-10-2010 13:37, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > > I would like to suggest that setting Python 3.1 as main active version of > > Python be officially > > supported and recommended for Gentoo developers since 2010-12-01. Majority > > of packages supporting > > only Python 2.* have been prepared to work correctly in situation when > > Python 3.* is set as main > > active version of Python. I would like to encourage other developers to > > work on fixing remaining > > packages. > > Until we're certain that will not cause automatic weekly stages and cds > to fail to build again, please don't. I suggest some changes for Gentoo developers (so that they can find, report and potentially fix bugs before other users would reproduce these bugs), not weekly stages or cds. -- Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Support for Python 3
2010-10-25 19:16:56 Thilo Bangert napisał(a): > Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis said: > > 2010-10-25 15:50:23 Peter Volkov napisał(a): > > > В Пнд, 25/10/2010 в 15:37 +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis > пишет: > > > > I would like to suggest that setting Python 3.1 as main active > > > > version of Python be officially supported and recommended for > > > > Gentoo developers since 2010-12-01. Majority of packages > > > > supporting only Python 2.* have been prepared to work correctly in > > > > situation when Python 3.* is set as main active version of Python. > > > > > > How many packages left? > > > > Currently I don't know. I would have to perform some grep checks to try > > to calculate it. > > > > I think that each developer could start using Python 3.1 as main active > > version of Python now, > > awesome! how do I do that? eselect python set python3.1 > i assume recent portage versions support python3, correct? Yes. -- Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Support for Python 3
On 10/25/2010 03:37 PM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > I would like to suggest that setting Python 3.1 as main active version of > Python be officially > supported and recommended for Gentoo developers since 2010-12-01. Majority of > packages supporting > only Python 2.* have been prepared to work correctly in situation when Python > 3.* is set as main > active version of Python. I would like to encourage other developers to work > on fixing remaining > packages. On a related note: Just this week a group appeared in Fedora with objective to help port 3rd party modules to Python 3. There is even a dedicated mailing list (python-porting). They are actively seeking contributors from across the distributions so I am sure any devs that want to see Python 3 default on Gentoo will be welcome :-) Blog post mentioning the start and ML address: http://anonbadger.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/python3-porting-organization/ -- Stanislav Ochotnicky jabber: stanis...@ochotnicky.com PGP: 0x71A1677C
Re: [gentoo-dev] Support for Python 3
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25-10-2010 13:37, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > I would like to suggest that setting Python 3.1 as main active version of > Python be officially > supported and recommended for Gentoo developers since 2010-12-01. Majority of > packages supporting > only Python 2.* have been prepared to work correctly in situation when Python > 3.* is set as main > active version of Python. I would like to encourage other developers to work > on fixing remaining > packages. Until we're certain that will not cause automatic weekly stages and cds to fail to build again, please don't. I'm willing to do local work to test this to ensure the stages and cds build and work correctly, but I'm likely going to need some help from the python team. - -- Regards, Jorge Vicetto (jmbsvicetto) - jmbsvicetto at gentoo dot org Gentoo- forums / Userrel / Devrel / KDE / Elections / RelEng -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJMxiSWAAoJEC8ZTXQF1qEPLTAP/iRywtI4OSfuRW+17jjvYG8q JCAEiuWWFpfgYaB4foM7QCDUSLos1WcIcHPtgUGKwQmNxnCEMot71OhDItTIAjlN 0AMAETA618aSH04HQRvA/WrS4XPB9HDB94UrIl102+AXtH3lM2O5lURqQg2/Tyz+ btU22n4Pa09ZxV9sefNvGws5ZZegL0PsBgpeGzNetI7jcGCidlbXzBqCh9M6a9K+ qJwxYtMsGgD2K/vWX4sNFrz7Eg4qw3OyrA+ylBlJ5FUzFOi0vjP3QsgATy7vXYva DUKdUEJIBAZRjFZA+CW++yXl7BMG4XEv/fqLXBRcWlgasyUZmN4eXDfgMupVg8zy kVt6we7rudc577uUsRnOoc4xdfV+LTmbBXaeAuQhFVr9/Rdf96AhowZhmV5caLix HTeQfvBpfNFtsU0VZz88JJuoFc5+vnPVyjtWHqH8bMVLKVo/EFg3L1Hl7GhmAdCD rsxAHdBRgQOIlSEV6XhfxZxL08KKkBMV1gUw7WbUk8WjB2tr3GBNAiXlZ7X/5ivG 1D8tFXjieEjsiC+5rpB+F4qolyYdezMfeT5mj2edd4OlJLps+tL/L30ADYwobEgF PJ1Gq0XqSP1LV9Nzl++zMwbquGd9jY8+kGIh1Grmfg+FFIjCzE6LrMlQ6FJnOFkK id+5MZovphHFMSR32ZKa =mEfL -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Support for Python 3
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:37:41 +0200 Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > I would like to suggest that setting Python 3.1 as main active > version of Python be officially supported and recommended for Gentoo > developers since 2010-12-01. Majority of packages supporting only > Python 2.* have been prepared to work correctly in situation when > Python 3.* is set as main active version of Python. I would like to > encourage other developers to work on fixing remaining packages. I don't see a reason to do so until issue #9561 is fixed [1]. Right now this means, that packages may fail to install randomly due to locale settings. [1] http://bugs.python.org/issue9561 -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Support for Python 3
Le lundi 25 octobre 2010 à 19:44 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan a écrit : > On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis > wrote: > > I would like to suggest that setting Python 3.1 as main active version of > > Python be officially > > supported and recommended for Gentoo developers since 2010-12-01. Majority > > of packages supporting > > only Python 2.* have been prepared to work correctly in situation when > > Python 3.* is set as main > > active version of Python. I would like to encourage other developers to > > work on fixing remaining > > packages. > > > > I do not think this is a useful expenditure of developer time. There's > absolutely no hurry to start using Python 3 since 99.9% of upstreams > do not have officially supported ports yet. We can revisit this when > the upstreams of half the packages in-tree start using Python 3 by > default (this will probably take more than a year). > to reply to you and Fabio, note that Arfrever is not suggesting you start using python3. He suggests you have it as your default python interpreter which does not mean applications will magically start using it. It will however allow easier spotting of application that have not been prepared by ebuilds to run correctly with /usr/bin/python or /usr/bin/env python being python3 by default. The fix is generally easy, lots of gnome ebuilds have been fixed for gnome 2.32 and we expect the situation to be fully handled when it will be unmasked. -- Gilles Dartiguelongue Gentoo
Re: [gentoo-dev] Support for Python 3
2010-10-25 16:37:38 Fabio Erculiani napisał(a): > Please, just, no. > Projects and people are just not ready, yet. And even Python experts > at #python tell to stay away from Py3, last time I checked. #python channel isn't maintained by Python upstream developers. -- Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Support for Python 3
Please, just, no. Projects and people are just not ready, yet. And even Python experts at #python tell to stay away from Py3, last time I checked. -- Fabio Erculiani
Re: [gentoo-dev] Support for Python 3
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis wrote: > I would like to suggest that setting Python 3.1 as main active version of > Python be officially > supported and recommended for Gentoo developers since 2010-12-01. Majority of > packages supporting > only Python 2.* have been prepared to work correctly in situation when Python > 3.* is set as main > active version of Python. I would like to encourage other developers to work > on fixing remaining > packages. > I do not think this is a useful expenditure of developer time. There's absolutely no hurry to start using Python 3 since 99.9% of upstreams do not have officially supported ports yet. We can revisit this when the upstreams of half the packages in-tree start using Python 3 by default (this will probably take more than a year). -- ~Nirbheek Chauhan Gentoo GNOME+Mozilla Team
Re: [gentoo-dev] Support for Python 3
2010-10-25 15:50:23 Peter Volkov napisał(a): > В Пнд, 25/10/2010 в 15:37 +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis пишет: > > I would like to suggest that setting Python 3.1 as main active version of > > Python be officially > > supported and recommended for Gentoo developers since 2010-12-01. Majority > > of packages supporting > > only Python 2.* have been prepared to work correctly in situation when > > Python 3.* is set as main > > active version of Python. > > How many packages left? Currently I don't know. I would have to perform some grep checks to try to calculate it. I think that each developer could start using Python 3.1 as main active version of Python now, at least until he/she finds not yet prepared packages. There's a chance that such packages aren't installed on his/her system. -- Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Support for Python 3
В Пнд, 25/10/2010 в 15:37 +0200, Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis пишет: > I would like to suggest that setting Python 3.1 as main active version of > Python be officially > supported and recommended for Gentoo developers since 2010-12-01. Majority of > packages supporting > only Python 2.* have been prepared to work correctly in situation when Python > 3.* is set as main > active version of Python. How many packages left? -- Peter.
