Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Lars Wendler wrote: I also planned to release a news through the portage news system as soon as I lastrite xchat so people know how to move over to hexchat. As I never did this before I'd like to have some help concerning this matter. Is there some documentation about portage news? use profiles/updates/ to move xchat to hexchat ... I don't think a package move is appropriate since the two packages install different files. The installed files would not be updated, just the vdb. ... which portage will happily upgrade next time you `emerge -u world` -mike
Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 04:18:40 -0500 Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Lars Wendler wrote: I also planned to release a news through the portage news system as soon as I lastrite xchat so people know how to move over to hexchat. As I never did this before I'd like to have some help concerning this matter. Is there some documentation about portage news? use profiles/updates/ to move xchat to hexchat ... I don't think a package move is appropriate since the two packages install different files. The installed files would not be updated, just the vdb. ... which portage will happily upgrade next time you `emerge -u world` Hmm, like 'move sys-fs/udev sys-apps/systemd'? /me hides... -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Michał Górny wrote: On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 04:18:40 -0500 Mike Frysinger wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Lars Wendler wrote: I also planned to release a news through the portage news system as soon as I lastrite xchat so people know how to move over to hexchat. As I never did this before I'd like to have some help concerning this matter. Is there some documentation about portage news? use profiles/updates/ to move xchat to hexchat ... I don't think a package move is appropriate since the two packages install different files. The installed files would not be updated, just the vdb. ... which portage will happily upgrade next time you `emerge -u world` Hmm, like 'move sys-fs/udev sys-apps/systemd'? i think the difference here is that we all agree that everyone wants to upgrade from xchat to hexchat -mike
Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 05:07:53 -0500 Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Michał Górny wrote: On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 04:18:40 -0500 Mike Frysinger wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Lars Wendler wrote: I also planned to release a news through the portage news system as soon as I lastrite xchat so people know how to move over to hexchat. As I never did this before I'd like to have some help concerning this matter. Is there some documentation about portage news? use profiles/updates/ to move xchat to hexchat ... I don't think a package move is appropriate since the two packages install different files. The installed files would not be updated, just the vdb. ... which portage will happily upgrade next time you `emerge -u world` Hmm, like 'move sys-fs/udev sys-apps/systemd'? i think the difference here is that we all agree that everyone wants to upgrade from xchat to hexchat Maybe. On the other hand, the udev-systemd switch was performed upstream which makes it a valid candidate for package move. xchat hexchat are different packages. It's a bit like pretending that the discontinuation and fork didn't ever happen, and the packages are equivalent (which they are not, as have been already pointed out). IMO considering the fact that user needs to migrate his configuration by hand, making the switch automagic is not helpful at all. It's rather confusing when 'xchat' instantly becomes 'hexchat' which it is actually not before the rebuild. And after the rebuild user suffers the usual upgrade pain of packages changing heavily between versions. So, please do not hack the updates mechanism around to achieve minor goals. It should be used to move packages which suffered a rename or merge, not to provide replacements and suggestions. For those, package.mask messages are much better. -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Michał Górny wrote: xchat hexchat are different packages. It's a bit like pretending that the discontinuation and fork didn't ever happen, and the packages are equivalent (which they are not, as have been already pointed out). they're about as equivalent as you're going to get. a few plugins don't work, but not a big deal. the config file formats are also largely compatible. IMO considering the fact that user needs to migrate his configuration by hand, making the switch automagic is not helpful at all. yeah, i don't think so. that's like saying since i have to turn the steering wheel anyways when driving a car, there's no point in power steering. And after the rebuild user suffers the usual upgrade pain of packages changing heavily between versions. which is irrelevant to the suggestion at hand So, please do not hack the updates mechanism around to achieve minor goals. It should be used to move packages which suffered a rename or merge, not to provide replacements and suggestions. For those, package.mask messages are much better. the inability to make users read the package.mask message explaining the situation is the only valid point in your e-mail. along those lines, a news entry is probably not even necessary. -mike
Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: along those lines, a news entry is probably not even necessary. So, users will just suddenly have their binary change names, and will need to manually move config files and update logrotate.d files (if in use), and the only notice will be in an elog? Oh, and that elog will appear for a program called hexchat which as far as the user is aware they don't even use. This really seems to be stretching the purpose of package moves, and I don't hear users generally complaining about the fact that we give them too much warning when we're about to break their systems. We really should be using news more, and not less. Rich
Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat
On 11/26/2012 01:16 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: along those lines, a news entry is probably not even necessary. So, users will just suddenly have their binary change names, and will need to manually move config files and update logrotate.d files (if in use), and the only notice will be in an elog? Oh, and that elog will appear for a program called hexchat which as far as the user is aware they don't even use. This really seems to be stretching the purpose of package moves, and I don't hear users generally complaining about the fact that we give them too much warning when we're about to break their systems. We really should be using news more, and not less. We can do what we do for mplayer2 and soon mpv. If the program is largely the same adding compatibility symlinks seems to me the simplest solution. lu
Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 05:33:15AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote the inability to make users read the package.mask message explaining the situation is the only valid point in your e-mail. along those lines, a news entry is probably not even necessary. Howsabout following the same procedure as when xpdf was dropped? I vaguely remember emerge --update --deep world stopping with a message that xpdf was being dropped, and also a few alternatives were suggested in the message. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat
On 26/11/2012 10:17, Walter Dnes wrote: Howsabout following the same procedure as when xpdf was dropped? I vaguely remember emerge --update --deep world stopping with a message that xpdf was being dropped, and also a few alternatives were suggested in the message. That's the p.maks message. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:17:13 +0100 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Maybe. On the other hand, the udev-systemd switch was performed upstream which makes it a valid candidate for package move. No, it's not a valid candidate for a package move if the destination package already exists. A move is specifically for a rename, not for merging two existing packages together. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: along those lines, a news entry is probably not even necessary. So, users will just move config in an elog? Oh, and they don't even use. see what happens when you delete context ? it no longer makes sense. if you read my reply in whole, it'd be clear that i was agreeing with Michał about the package.mask route *which would then make the need for a news entry pointless*. -mike
Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat
On 11/25/2012 12:27 PM, Lars Wendler wrote: I also planned to release a news through the portage news system as soon as I lastrite xchat so people know how to move over to hexchat. As I never did this before I'd like to have some help concerning this matter. Is there some documentation about portage news? There's a nice little set of instructions here: http://gentoo-pr.org/node/16 The news repository is in git these days: http://sources.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/gentoo-news.git;a=summary -- Thanks, Zac
Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat
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On 11/25/2012 09:27 PM, Lars Wendler wrote:
Hey list,
I'm planning to lastrite net-irc/xchat in the next couple of
weeks. Unfortunately my hope that upstream development would be
resumed didn't come true. As the code becomes more and more
outdated, open unfixed security bugs are present[1][2] and at some
point in the future =x11-libs/gtk+-2* will vanish from the tree I
don't see any other option than removing xchat from the tree. I
don't see this as a big drama as we already have a drop-in
replacement in form of the net-irc/hexchat fork. I checked this
today and all people have to do is emerge hexchat and then copy
over the xchat config: mkdir ${HOME}/.config ; cp -a
${HOME}/.xchat2 ${HOME}/.config/hexchat
I'd like to see your opinion on this matter as long as you have one
you'd like to share with me ;) Furthermore I would shift my
attention from the xchat package to hexchat seeing that it
currently gets proxy maintained. If there's no objection I'd like
to become the new contact of the person currently maintaining the
package in portage.
I also planned to release a news through the portage news system as
soon as I lastrite xchat so people know how to move over to
hexchat. As I never did this before I'd like to have some help
concerning this matter. Is there some documentation about portage
news?
Regards
[1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/394657 [2]
https://bugs.gentoo.org/257006
That's a pity. I was just about to step forward to rescue
net-irc/xchat-xsys from treecleaning.
Do xchat plugins work in hexchat?
Maybe we could just hardmask it. I see some ebuilds in the tree being
hardmasked due to security bugs, but not removed which is ok to me.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat
Am Sonntag 25 November 2012, 22:03:03 schrieb hasufell:
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On 11/25/2012 09:27 PM, Lars Wendler wrote:
Hey list,
I'm planning to lastrite net-irc/xchat in the next couple of
weeks. Unfortunately my hope that upstream development would be
resumed didn't come true. As the code becomes more and more
outdated, open unfixed security bugs are present[1][2] and at some
point in the future =x11-libs/gtk+-2* will vanish from the tree I
don't see any other option than removing xchat from the tree. I
don't see this as a big drama as we already have a drop-in
replacement in form of the net-irc/hexchat fork. I checked this
today and all people have to do is emerge hexchat and then copy
over the xchat config: mkdir ${HOME}/.config ; cp -a
${HOME}/.xchat2 ${HOME}/.config/hexchat
I'd like to see your opinion on this matter as long as you have one
you'd like to share with me ;) Furthermore I would shift my
attention from the xchat package to hexchat seeing that it
currently gets proxy maintained. If there's no objection I'd like
to become the new contact of the person currently maintaining the
package in portage.
I also planned to release a news through the portage news system as
soon as I lastrite xchat so people know how to move over to
hexchat. As I never did this before I'd like to have some help
concerning this matter. Is there some documentation about portage
news?
Regards
[1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/394657 [2]
https://bugs.gentoo.org/257006
That's a pity. I was just about to step forward to rescue
net-irc/xchat-xsys from treecleaning.
How about migrating xchat-xsys to hexchat?
Do xchat plugins work in hexchat?
That's something for me to find out as well. I maintain the xchat-otr plugin
which I would like to continue using in hexchat.
Maybe we could just hardmask it. I see some ebuilds in the tree being
hardmasked due to security bugs, but not removed which is ok to me.
--
Lars Wendler (Polynomial-C)
Gentoo package maintainer and bug-wrangler
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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat
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Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Lars Wendler wrote: I also planned to release a news through the portage news system as soon as I lastrite xchat so people know how to move over to hexchat. As I never did this before I'd like to have some help concerning this matter. Is there some documentation about portage news? use profiles/updates/ to move xchat to hexchat ... -mike
Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Lars Wendler wrote: I also planned to release a news through the portage news system as soon as I lastrite xchat so people know how to move over to hexchat. As I never did this before I'd like to have some help concerning this matter. Is there some documentation about portage news? use profiles/updates/ to move xchat to hexchat ... -mike I don't think a package move is appropriate since the two packages install different files. The installed files would not be updated, just the vdb.
Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat
Am Sonntag 25 November 2012, 17:26:30 schrieb Mike Gilbert: On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Lars Wendler wrote: I also planned to release a news through the portage news system as soon as I lastrite xchat so people know how to move over to hexchat. As I never did this before I'd like to have some help concerning this matter. Is there some documentation about portage news? use profiles/updates/ to move xchat to hexchat ... -mike I don't think a package move is appropriate since the two packages install different files. The installed files would not be updated, just the vdb. Indeed. I also think that a pkg-move cannot be done here. -- Lars Wendler (Polynomial-C) Gentoo package maintainer and bug-wrangler signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] net-irc/xchat-xsys: Test request for ~x86 ~amd64
Works here without problem On Sun, 2005-17-04 at 12:33 +0100, Tony Vroon wrote: Could any xchat-xsys users that are not afraid of using an experimental patch unmask version 1.9.3 with /etc/portage/package.unmask and see if the /video output gives you the right information. If I get 10 reports that it works, I'll unmask it and unleash it on ~x86 and ~amd64. (Any other arches will most probably miss out on some CPU-related information, tell me if at least /video works, and I'll try to get it supported fully). What the patch does is getting rid of the lspci dependency. Upstream reports that it can cause stale processes that will not disappear until X-Chat is closed. The code in question has been replaced with a sysfs tree-walker that should find the AGP video card in any system. If anyone out there has a PCI-Express adapter, I'd like to know if this code finds it or not. Thanks, Tony (Chainsaw). -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] x86 Security Liaison signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
