On 2021-03-27 23:40, Joshua Kinard wrote:
The MIPS machine has functioning local disk drives, and currently, it
boots fine by just pulling a kernel off my TFTP server and booting
from the local drive, no initramfs needed because I compiled
everything into it.
Out of curiosity, if your kernel
On 2021-03-29 10:06, James Le Cuirot wrote:
Have you seen CONFIG_CMDLINE? It lets you bake command line args into
the kernel image itself.
And since 5.6, there is also bootconfig:
https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/bootconfig.html
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Joshua Kinard wrote:
> I've kinda come to this conclusion myself. I could probably host an
> extracted, micro-initramfs on my NFS server that would be loaded by the
> kernel to jump to $REAL_ROOT. Not *too* much of an issue on the Octane,
> because I can
This is getting really long, so I'm going to remove more things I'm not
answering directly.
On Sun, Mar 28, 2021 at 07:31:02PM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
> > The problem is, there's a chicken-and-egg problem in the scenario where
> > / and /usr are on separate partitions, and this is why a
On 3/28/2021 05:25, James Le Cuirot wrote:> On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 18:40:52
-0400 Joshua Kinard
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/27/2021 18:16, James Le Cuirot wrote:
>>> On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 17:43:34 -0400 Joshua Kinard
>>> wrote:
>>>
I kinda wish the Linux kernel had an ability to partially boot,
init
On 3/28/2021 16:05, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 10:51:11PM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
>> On 3/27/2021 20:32, William Hubbs wrote:
>>> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 05:43:34PM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
On 3/23/2021 07:31, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 6:54
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 10:51:11PM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
> On 3/27/2021 20:32, William Hubbs wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 05:43:34PM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
> >> On 3/23/2021 07:31, Rich Freeman wrote:
> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 6:54 PM Andreas K. Huettel
> >>> wrote:
>
>
On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 18:40:52 -0400
Joshua Kinard wrote:
> On 3/27/2021 18:16, James Le Cuirot wrote:
> > On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 17:43:34 -0400
> > Joshua Kinard wrote:
> >
> >> I kinda wish the Linux kernel had an ability to partially boot, init the
> >> networking subsystem, then fetch an
On 3/27/2021 20:32, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 05:43:34PM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
>> On 3/23/2021 07:31, Rich Freeman wrote:
>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 6:54 PM Andreas K. Huettel
>>> wrote:
>> Council decided years ago that we don't support separate /usr without
On 3/27/2021 21:00, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 5:43 PM Joshua Kinard wrote:
>>
>> I kinda wish the Linux kernel had an ability to partially boot, init the
>> networking subsystem, then fetch an initramfs image over TFTP like it can do
>> with NFS Root. That would solve the
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 5:43 PM Joshua Kinard wrote:
>
> I kinda wish the Linux kernel had an ability to partially boot, init the
> networking subsystem, then fetch an initramfs image over TFTP like it can do
> with NFS Root. That would solve the problem on my MIPS system(s) (and make
> install
On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 05:43:34PM -0400, Joshua Kinard wrote:
> On 3/23/2021 07:31, Rich Freeman wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 6:54 PM Andreas K. Huettel
> > wrote:
> >>
> Council decided years ago that we don't support separate /usr without
> an initramfs, but we haven't
On 3/27/2021 18:16, James Le Cuirot wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 17:43:34 -0400
> Joshua Kinard wrote:
>
>> I kinda wish the Linux kernel had an ability to partially boot, init the
>> networking subsystem, then fetch an initramfs image over TFTP like it can do
>> with NFS Root. That would solve
On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 17:43:34 -0400
Joshua Kinard wrote:
> I kinda wish the Linux kernel had an ability to partially boot, init the
> networking subsystem, then fetch an initramfs image over TFTP like it can do
> with NFS Root. That would solve the problem on my MIPS system(s) (and make
>
On 3/23/2021 07:31, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 6:54 PM Andreas K. Huettel
> wrote:
>>
Council decided years ago that we don't support separate /usr without
an initramfs, but we haven't completed that transition yet.
>>>
>>> Which doesn't imply that we deliberately
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 6:54 PM Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
>
> > > Council decided years ago that we don't support separate /usr without
> > > an initramfs, but we haven't completed that transition yet.
> >
> > Which doesn't imply that we deliberately break things.
>
> That's right. Though we
Hi Andreas,
On 2021/03/23 00:54, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
>>> Council decided years ago that we don't support separate /usr without
>>> an initramfs, but we haven't completed that transition yet.
>> Which doesn't imply that we deliberately break things.
> That's right. Though we should at some
On Monday, 22 March 2021 21:18:32 CET Lars Wendler wrote:
> With enough motivation we can carry that revert for a very long time. I
> know that because I still carry reverts in my udev packages from when
> it was devoured by systemd.
It is 11.2 KiB worth of patch that at least I know I won't take
> > Council decided years ago that we don't support separate /usr without
> > an initramfs, but we haven't completed that transition yet.
>
> Which doesn't imply that we deliberately break things.
That's right. Though we should at some point start thinking about an end of
support for separate
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 09:59:11 +0100 Andreas Sturmlechner wrote:
>On Sonntag, 21. März 2021 08:58:34 CET James Le Cuirot wrote:
>> How about making emerge --config dynamic, copying if it's on a
>> different partition and symlinking if it's not? You can't accurately
>> determine the use of an
On Sonntag, 21. März 2021 08:58:34 CET James Le Cuirot wrote:
> How about making emerge --config dynamic, copying if it's on a
> different partition and symlinking if it's not? You can't accurately
> determine the use of an initramfs but at least this is closer to what
> we want.
We will not be
On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 11:06 PM Thomas Deutschmann wrote:
>
> On 2021-03-22 03:06, Mike Gilbert wrote:
> > Based on that commit message, it looks systemd switched to looking at
> > the symlink target instead of /etc/timezone well *after* some major
> > distro started using a symlink for
PS: Even Debian is mentioning "to follow systemd" when they updated
their tzdata package end of 2015, https://bugs.debian.org/803144.
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On 2021-03-22 03:06, Mike Gilbert wrote:
Based on that commit message, it looks systemd switched to looking at
the symlink target instead of /etc/timezone well *after* some major
distro started using a symlink for /etc/localtime. I suspect Kay
Sievers noticed that the content of /etc/timezone
On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 11:37 AM Andreas K. Huettel
wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> why do we *copy* the timezone file to /etc/localtime, instead of symlinking
> it like everyone else?
>
> 1) Our handbook recommends:
>
> echo "Europe/Brussels" > /etc/timezone
> emerge --config sys-libs/timezone-data
>
>
On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 7:58 PM Thomas Deutschmann wrote:
>
> On 2021-03-20 16:37, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> > 2) Most other distros seem to just do
>
> No, not most distros are doing that. systemd is forcing that downstream
> (the result is the same)!
>
> It was added via
>
On 2021-03-20 16:37, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
2) Most other distros seem to just do
No, not most distros are doing that. systemd is forcing that downstream
(the result is the same)!
It was added via
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/92c4ef2d357baeef78b6f82f119b92f7ed12ac77
On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 05:18:52 +0100
Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > On Sat, 20 Mar 2021, William Hubbs wrote:
>
> > /etc/localtime should definitely be a symlink to the proper file in
> > /usr/share/zoneinfo.
>
> > This works fine if /usr is on a separate partition *and* you are using
> > an
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021, Alec Warner wrote:
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/737914 seems to imply for some upstreams, it
> being a file is not a valid option anymore?
> (I'm ignoring the logic of that decision of course, but this was the
> original reason this was raised.)
Indeed, that's a strange
On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 10:27 PM Ulrich Mueller wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 21 Mar 2021, Alec Warner wrote:
>
> >> Which doesn't imply that we deliberately break things.
>
> > Not sure I follow.. how is updating the handbook breaking anything?
>
> Both configurations (regular file and symlink) work
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021, Alec Warner wrote:
>> Which doesn't imply that we deliberately break things.
> Not sure I follow.. how is updating the handbook breaking anything?
Both configurations (regular file and symlink) work just fine, and
sys-libs/timezone-data supports them. I don't see a
On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 9:19 PM Ulrich Mueller wrote:
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> > On Sat, 20 Mar 2021, William Hubbs wrote:
>
> > /etc/localtime should definitely be a symlink to the proper file in
> > /usr/share/zoneinfo.
>
> > This works fine if /usr is on a separate partition *and* you are using
> > an
> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021, William Hubbs wrote:
> /etc/localtime should definitely be a symlink to the proper file in
> /usr/share/zoneinfo.
> This works fine if /usr is on a separate partition *and* you are using
> an initramfs. The only time it doesn't work is if /usr is separate
> without
On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 05:04:06PM +0100, Nils Freydank wrote:
> Hi Andreas,
>
> Am Samstag, den 20.03.2021 um 16:37:23 Uhr +0100 schrieb "Andreas K. Huettel"
> :
> > [...]
> > Does anyone remember the reason for 1) ? Or is that lost in history?
>
> I just quote comment 3 from the linked bug
Hi Andreas,
Am Samstag, den 20.03.2021 um 16:37:23 Uhr +0100 schrieb "Andreas K. Huettel"
:
> [...]
> Does anyone remember the reason for 1) ? Or is that lost in history?
I just quote comment 3 from the linked bug https://bugs.gentoo.org/737914#c3:
"copying the zonefile to /etc/localtime is a
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