Please stay on-topic. (was: Re: Thread moving to -nfp LIST [Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentooo 501(c) accounting])

2016-12-08 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
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Am Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016, 15:08:17 schrieb james:
> On 12/07/2016 04:39 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 04:01:53PM -0500, james wrote:
> >> Can you cross post to gentoo-dev? I'm not subscribed to that list.
> >> Should not a wider community, particularly devs be part of the
> >> discussion?
> > 
> > Please DO subscribe.
> 
> Nope. I strongly believe that if your wider dev community had a deeper
> understanding of the responsibility chain...


Even if I'm repeating myself... Please keep the mailing lists on topic. 

While the topics of gentoo-project are widespread, conspiracy theories and US 
politics are definitely not on-topic here. 

Also, to confirm what robbat2 suggested, Gentoo Foundation organizational 
questions including how to deal with the IRS (should that even be discussed on 
a publicly archived list?) find their best audience on the nfp list.

After all, whoever wants to participate can subscribe there, and whoever 
doesn't subscribe there probably doesn't *want* to hear about it.

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Andreas K. Huettel
Gentoo Linux developer 
dilfri...@gentoo.org
http://www.akhuettel.de/

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Re: Thread moving to -nfp LIST [Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentooo 501(c) accounting]

2016-12-08 Thread james

On 12/07/2016 04:39 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote:

On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 04:01:53PM -0500, james wrote:

Can you cross post to gentoo-dev? I'm not subscribed to that list.
Should not a wider community, particularly devs be part of the discussion?

Please DO subscribe.


Nope. I strongly believe that if your wider dev community had a deeper 
understanding of the responsibility chain, gentoo would not be in such a 
mess. These juvenile beliefs and behaviors your dev teams routinely 
display, can be used against the organization, if IRS agents so desire.
It'd be a trivial occurrence for the IRS to reclassify gentoo to 
something other than a charity. Any a. h. can profit by being a snitch 
to the IRS. If you doubt this, find an old/mean/retired IRS agent to 
audit gentoo. A CPA will lie to you, legally. Cause when you make 
mistakes and get audited (can be easily triggered by a pal of the CPA 
you go to), that just means more 'billable hours' for the CPA. They'll 
bleed gentoo dry and participate with the IRS in going after companies 
that have used gentoo for their own gain. When you give to a charity, 
there is suppose to be a 'hands off' what the charity does with the 
gift, otherwise it's a corporate tax-dodge in the eyes of the IRS.

GSoC is a poster child for this problem.


How's that tech relationship with the tech industry and the trump team 
looking these days?  Go read about about what Obama did to the 501(c) 
charities circa the 2012 election cycle. Pense was the ring leader in 
working behind close doors to defund the IRS to calm that one sided

assault on 501(c) organization down.   Read the tea leaves, brah.



The results of what you have discovered, desperately needs to be shared 
with your devs, so they can begin to develop wisdom and culture their 
attitudes into a recognized charity organization, which is what Gentoo 
purports to be. My prayers are with you, brother. Furthermore, the real 
risk is some starving lawyer goes after one of any of the companies that 
have previously been generous to gentoo first attacking gentoo.
It's a dominoes legal strategy and works all the time in the court 
systems. Ignorance of the law and shoddy records puts gentoo squarely in 
the "guilty but pleading for judicial mercy" category. The problem is 
these sorts of lawyers do not need Trump or Pense to do their bidding. 
They earn lots of money churning up 501(c) and many others.



For example some layers have made millions and millions of dollars off 
of suing all sorts of organizations for failure to comply with laws 
related to the disability act. Things like designated parking spots and 
wheelchair ramps. 501(c) and governmental agencies have all been sued as 
such too.  So if a potential dev is OCD, or otherwise has psychological 
disabilities, what is the gentoo strategy to be charitable to them?



Hell, our devs run off folks that are well qualified, due to the clique 
and the standard dev  assimilated trite behaviors. If once they see the 
power, of the dark side, and first hand witness the devastation the IRS 
can bring, they'll all understand and become wise; but at a tremendous 
price.You catching the drift here? I sure hope so.




The long response I just sent is significantly off-topic for the -dev
list. It may be almost on-topic for the -project list, but certainly not
-dev.


I could not disagree more, but that's your choice.



The council agenda this month includes getting more off-topic stuff out
of -project, so keeping the lists to their intended function should be
done.


You devs are at the heart of the problem; you need to remove your 
blinders and learn from what has happened. Repent and turn Gentoo into 
the wonderful charity it should be. Remove the collective a. h. and 
their behaviors, asap. Set standard and put violators on probation

just like is routine for new devs. Authority alwayhs comes with a price.
Think of it this way, Gentoo is under the microscope and these 
revelations should have a profound effect on the leadership, asap. 
Failure to be wise in leadership, is not going to work as a defense in a 
court of law. Let's hope (and pray) it does not come down to that.




At least a quick link for folk, who are interested can read what is
discussed via the list? I'm sure I'm not the only one interested in
our goals and management infrastructures.

https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-nfp/message/ca4fd8c98b9649bb060d48b466927c82



A fine work; thanks for your commitments. I've been here 14 years. This 
is not a problem of anyone's making. It a problem of a lack of 
leadership which is due to a lack of wisdom. Now you and the Council and 
the Foundation are in the positions of leadership; so LEAD.



A word of advise: Document all of the discrepancies you can, since you 
are now involved as a fiduciary with gentoo. Do not hide any of them. 
Publish them and beg all for help. gnucash-user is full of help. FREE 
help. USE it!


California has to have at least one 

Re: Thread moving to -nfp LIST [Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentooo 501(c) accounting]

2016-12-07 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 04:01:53PM -0500, james wrote:
> Can you cross post to gentoo-dev? I'm not subscribed to that list.
> Should not a wider community, particularly devs be part of the discussion?
Please DO subscribe.

The long response I just sent is significantly off-topic for the -dev
list. It may be almost on-topic for the -project list, but certainly not
-dev.

The council agenda this month includes getting more off-topic stuff out
of -project, so keeping the lists to their intended function should be
done.

> At least a quick link for folk, who are interested can read what is
> discussed via the list? I'm sure I'm not the only one interested in
> our goals and management infrastructures.
https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-nfp/message/ca4fd8c98b9649bb060d48b466927c82

For a slightly older piece, also see the talk I gave about the
Foundation, at this year's Gentoo miniconference:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLICDJo0onMRJFwAD3V7KGZWgnkxQaELeh

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Re: Thread moving to -nfp LIST [Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentooo 501(c) accounting]

2016-12-07 Thread james

On 12/07/2016 03:02 PM, Robin H. Johnson wrote:

I'm going to respond to this thread on the NFP list.



Hey Robin,


Can you cross post to gentoo-dev? I'm not subscribed to that list.
Should not a wider community, particularly devs be part of the discussion?

At least a quick link for folk, who are interested can read what is
discussed via the list? I'm sure I'm not the only one interested in
our goals and management infrastructures.


James