Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] use.force and package.use.force (bug #142853)

2006-08-07 Thread Simon Stelling
Andrew Gaffney wrote: Flag shouldn't be forced, period imo. I could not agree with this more. I've been watching this whole thread wondering when certain people were gonna see how dumb this idea actually is (no offense...I've backed my fair share of dumb ideas). It's a crappy alternative for

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] use.force and package.use.force (bug #142853)

2006-08-07 Thread Marius Mauch
On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:14:11 -0700 Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 01:13:34PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: > > Brian Harring wrote: > > > Semantics of USE=-gtk not working on a package that has gtk > > > forced doesn't sound all that nice btw; > > > > Which is why th

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] use.force and package.use.force (bug #142853)

2006-08-07 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Brian Harring wrote: On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 01:13:34PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: Brian Harring wrote: Semantics of USE=-gtk not working on a package that has gtk forced doesn't sound all that nice btw; Which is why the flag shouldn't be forced unless it's almost certain that the flag shouldn't

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] use.force and package.use.force (bug #142853)

2006-08-07 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 01:13:34PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: > Brian Harring wrote: > > Semantics of USE=-gtk not working on a package that has gtk forced > > doesn't sound all that nice btw; > > Which is why the flag shouldn't be forced unless it's almost > certain that the flag shouldn't be dis

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] use.force and package.use.force (bug #142853)

2006-08-07 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 03:52:35PM +, Alec Warner wrote: > > >> Brian, default USE in IUSE is not a backwards compatable change and this > >> is easier ;) > > > > An EAPI bump is pretty simple from where I'm sitting, and implementing > > it isn't all that hard. > > > > Meanwhile, the questi

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] use.force and package.use.force (bug #142853)

2006-08-07 Thread Alec Warner
Zac Medico wrote: > Alec Warner wrote: >>> Zac Medico wrote: >>> Users can unforce them via /etc/portage/profile/{use.force,package.use.force} in the usual "-flag" way. >>> Why new files? Why isn't this just pushed into the use stacking order >>> over-ridable by the user (default

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] use.force and package.use.force (bug #142853)

2006-08-07 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Harring wrote: > Semantics of USE=-gtk not working on a package that has gtk forced > doesn't sound all that nice btw; Which is why the flag shouldn't be forced unless it's almost certain that the flag shouldn't be disabled. The gtk flag migh

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] use.force and package.use.force (bug #142853)

2006-08-07 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alec Warner wrote: > Zac Medico wrote: > >> Users can unforce them via >> /etc/portage/profile/{use.force,package.use.force} in the usual "-flag" way. > > Why new files? Why isn't this just pushed into the use stacking order > over-ridable by the u

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] use.force and package.use.force (bug #142853)

2006-08-07 Thread Alec Warner
>> Brian, default USE in IUSE is not a backwards compatable change and this >> is easier ;) > > An EAPI bump is pretty simple from where I'm sitting, and implementing > it isn't all that hard. > > Meanwhile, the question should be "which is desirable", not "which can > I glue in quickest" ;) >

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] use.force and package.use.force (bug #142853)

2006-08-07 Thread Brian Harring
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 10:01:12AM +, Alec Warner wrote: > Zac Medico wrote: > > >Users can unforce them via > >/etc/portage/profile/{use.force,package.use.force} in the usual "-flag" way. > > Why new files? Why isn't this just pushed into the use stacking order > over-ridable by the user (

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] use.force and package.use.force (bug #142853)

2006-08-07 Thread Alec Warner
Zac Medico wrote: >Users can unforce them via /etc/portage/profile/{use.force,package.use.force} >in the usual "-flag" way. Why new files? Why isn't this just pushed into the use stacking order over-ridable by the user (default USE flags, and not forcing)? Then they can over-ride it in package

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] use.force and package.use.force (bug #142853)

2006-08-07 Thread Simon Stelling
Brian Harring wrote: You're asking on the wrong ml. Profile monkeying really should include a run through of -dev, *especially* something like that that's going to be a pita to turn off when folks start abusing it... Make sure you explicitly state that one *must not* force a flag simply becau

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] use.force and package.use.force (bug #142853)

2006-08-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 11:06:54PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: > Brian Harring wrote: > > You're asking on the wrong ml. Profile monkeying really should > > include a run through of -dev, *especially* something like that that's > > going to be a pita to turn off when folks start abusing it... > >

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] use.force and package.use.force (bug #142853)

2006-08-06 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Harring wrote: > You're asking on the wrong ml. Profile monkeying really should > include a run through of -dev, *especially* something like that that's > going to be a pita to turn off when folks start abusing it... I'm just running it by t

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] use.force and package.use.force (bug #142853)

2006-08-06 Thread Brian Harring
On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 10:22:56PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I've written a patch [1] that implements support for use.force and > package.use.force as originally described by Sven Wegener [2] over a year > ago. Basically, this feature is the exact opposite of use.mask and > p

[gentoo-portage-dev] [PATCH] use.force and package.use.force (bug #142853)

2006-08-06 Thread Zac Medico
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone, I've written a patch [1] that implements support for use.force and package.use.force as originally described by Sven Wegener [2] over a year ago. Basically, this feature is the exact opposite of use.mask and package.use.mask. It forc