Re: [gentoo-releng] Re: Free-standing Portage / Recent stage3 tarballs / Beta

2008-02-04 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 20:28 -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: Those few times I've installed a new box from the LiveCD/DVD, I've always done it networkless anyhow. That way, I get the box on the air in a short time and *then* I can indulge my inner ricer. :) Actually, we've done one better

Re: [gentoo-releng] Re: Free-standing Portage / Recent stage3 tarballs / Beta

2008-02-04 Thread Alex Howells
On 04/02/2008, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Howells wrote: I wasn't attempting to state This does not work!; merely expressing that ~arch isn't really a supported platform. Dropping back to stable isn't really a viable route, once your system is ~arch there's quite a

Re: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature requests for 2008.0 - Universal-CD

2008-02-04 Thread Markus Hauschild
On Feb 4, 2008 10:26 PM, Andrew Gaffney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're always welcome to build your own media if you don't like what we put out. Keep in mind that we are *volunteers*. We like the LiveCD, because it's easier to build and test. Some people just like to stick with the stuff

Re: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature requests for 2008.0 - Universal-CD

2008-02-04 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Peter Weber wrote: Hello, I now that Chris Gianelloni loves his LiveCD an the GUI-Installer and I know that he don't like to accept changes he don't support personally. But I do that know, so please don't kill me: Gentoo should have again an Universal-CD again, because: * Support for

Re: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature requests for 2008.0 - Universal-CD

2008-02-04 Thread Randall D. Wald
I second this, in particular the part about including stage3 on the CD; I'm always annoyed when, after downloading and burning the LiveCD, I need to download the stage3, possibly from a laptop without working wireless. Sincerely, Randall Peter Weber wrote: Hello, I now that Chris Gianelloni

Re: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature requests for 2008.0 - Universal-CD

2008-02-04 Thread Markus Hauschild
On Feb 4, 2008 11:36 PM, Chris Gianelloni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd love a minimal + stage3 + portage-snapshot + stuff you really need (kernel sources, grub, maybe a syslogger) You just described an Universal CD. What I described wouldn't necessarily be a 700MB media. Seems I have to

Re: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature requests for 2008.0 - Universal-CD

2008-02-04 Thread Peter Weber
Thanks for your answer. I respect this fully! I just thought that this was a good chance for starting a discussion. On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 16:18 -0600, Brent Baude wrote: Peter and company, It is important for you to understand that we, releng, are in the process of 2008.0 right now. As

Re: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature requests for 2008.0 - Universal-CD

2008-02-04 Thread Peter Weber
Anyone gave this any thought? There are still a LOT of dial-up users out here. People seem to forget that, especially the website with all the huge pages. My Space comes to mind on that. Even users with high-speed connections want to stay independent and free, relying on a

[gentoo-releng] Call for feature requests for 2008.0 - Universal-CD

2008-02-04 Thread Brent Baude
Peter and company, It is important for you to understand that we, releng, are in the process of 2008.0 right now. As such, it probably is not fair to knowingly push our buttons given that we have entered the execution phase of doing this work now. Gentoo folks, users and devs alike, felt

Re: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature requests for 2008.0 - Universal-CD

2008-02-04 Thread Markus Hauschild
On Feb 4, 2008 10:58 PM, Andrew Gaffney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That doesn't even make sense. A universal CD is nothing but a minimal plus some stuff. You can't merge them together, unless you're talking about getting rid of the minimal all together, and then that's even dumber. I'm

Re: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature requests for 2008.0 - Universal-CD

2008-02-04 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 22:33 +0100, Markus Hauschild wrote: That means less time taken and less stress for us. If you don't like it, become a dev and volunteer for release engineering, and build the universal CDs yourself. Copy n pasteing a config that would be the Universal CD is worth

Re: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature requests for 2008.0 - Universal-CD

2008-02-04 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 22:49 +0100, Markus Hauschild wrote: On Feb 4, 2008 10:47 PM, Peter Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The LiveDVD includes stages and a snapshot. Interesting and good, but the LiveDVD is, let us say the truth - overkill. A other good solution would be merging

[gentoo-releng] Call for feature requests for 2008.0 - Universal-CD

2008-02-04 Thread Peter Weber
Hello, I now that Chris Gianelloni loves his LiveCD an the GUI-Installer and I know that he don't like to accept changes he don't support personally. But I do that know, so please don't kill me: Gentoo should have again an Universal-CD again, because: * Support for

Re: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature requests for 2008.0 - Universal-CD

2008-02-04 Thread Peter Weber
On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 15:58 -0600, Andrew Gaffney wrote: That doesn't even make sense. A universal CD is nothing but a minimal plus some stuff. You can't merge them together, unless you're talking about getting rid of the minimal all together, and then that's even dumber. -- Andrew

Re: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature requests for 2008.0 - Universal-CD

2008-02-04 Thread Peter Weber
On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 22:49 +0100, Markus Hauschild wrote: On Feb 4, 2008 10:47 PM, Peter Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The LiveDVD includes stages and a snapshot. Interesting and good, but the LiveDVD is, let us say the truth - overkill. A other good solution would be merging

Re: [gentoo-releng] Call for feature requests for 2008.0 - Universal-CD

2008-02-04 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 23:50 +0100, Peter Weber wrote: Hours for, mhhh, five lines of code? Five lines of code, gathering the distfiles together, and lots and lots of testing. Seriously, buddy. Do me a favor and quit responding. You've shown that you don't really have a clue what's involved in

Re: [gentoo-releng] Re: Free-standing Portage / Recent stage3 tarballs / Beta

2008-02-04 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Chris Gianelloni wrote: On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 20:28 -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: Those few times I've installed a new box from the LiveCD/DVD, I've always done it networkless anyhow. That way, I get the box on the air in a short time and *then* I can indulge my inner ricer. :)