Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:26:13 + Kevin Chadwick wrote: > On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:32:24 +0200 > nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: > > > My thanks, too! There's nothing like reading on some actual > > experience with this. So this was once the reason to keep / > > separate. Not that im

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:32:24 +0200 nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: > > Thanks for sharing your experience, and not just your emotions. One > > of my favorite quotes is, "A man with an experience is not subject > > to a man with an argument." > > My thanks, too! There's nothing like

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 12:49:53 -0600 Bruce Hill wrote: > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 05:10:43PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > > That was the original reason for having / and /usr separate, and it > > dates back to the early 70s. The other reason that stems from that > > time period is the size of

[gentoo-user] {OT} open-source: chat, tasks, resources, code

2012-12-16 Thread Grant
When I need a new web-based software tool, I consider writing it myself and if that isn't feasible I try to use something open-source and self-hosted. I need something for chat, task management, resource management, and code management, all for groups. I'm considering Campfire, Trello, Float, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-16 Thread J. Roeleveld
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:39 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: >> On Sunday, December 16, 2012 01:52:46 PM Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >>> Am Samstag, 15. Dezember 2012, 20:57:24 schrieb J. Roeleveld: >>> > Even on a system with only 2 sockets, it can be useful to have NUMA >>> > available. >>> >>> or no

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-16 Thread Dale
Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 12/17/2012 01:09 AM, Dale wrote: >> So, since I have /usr separate from the rest, I could mount it read only >> and reduce the chance of corruption if say my UPS failed? I already do >> this for /boot. Interesting. Very interesting indeed. >> >> If the other issues

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/17/2012 01:09 AM, Dale wrote: > > So, since I have /usr separate from the rest, I could mount it read only > and reduce the chance of corruption if say my UPS failed? I already do > this for /boot. Interesting. Very interesting indeed. > > If the other issues happen, computers is likely

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-16 Thread Dale
Michael Orlitzky wrote: > On 12/17/2012 12:44 AM, Dale wrote: >> >> Question. A file system, /usr for example, is mounted read only. The >> system crashes for whatever reason such as a power failure. Since it is >> mounted read only, would there be a larger or smaller risk of corrupted >> data o

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 12/17/2012 12:44 AM, Dale wrote: >> > > > Question. A file system, /usr for example, is mounted read only. The > system crashes for whatever reason such as a power failure. Since it is > mounted read only, would there be a larger or smaller risk of corrupted > data on that partition? From

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-16 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Dec 17, 2012 7:31 AM, "Kevin Chadwick" wrote: > > On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:32:24 +0200 > nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: > > > My thanks, too! There's nothing like reading on some actual experience > > with this. So this was once the reason to keep / separate. Not that > > important

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-16 Thread Dale
Kevin Chadwick wrote: > On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:32:24 +0200 > nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: > >> My thanks, too! There's nothing like reading on some actual experience >> with this. So this was once the reason to keep / separate. Not that >> important anymore (but this is still no exc

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: /etc/portage/env for a whole category

2012-12-16 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 02:41:52AM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 17/12/12 01:56, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:11:46PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > >> If you really want "-ggdb" instead of just "-g", then use that instead, > >> though it will take more space f

[gentoo-user] Re: /etc/portage/env for a whole category

2012-12-16 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 17/12/12 01:56, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:11:46PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: If you really want "-ggdb" instead of just "-g", then use that instead, though it will take more space for no real benefit, unless you actually need the extra debug info for some reaso

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-16 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:32:24 +0200 nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: > My thanks, too! There's nothing like reading on some actual experience > with this. So this was once the reason to keep / separate. Not that > important anymore (but this is still no excuse to force people to keep >

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: /etc/portage/env for a whole category

2012-12-16 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:11:46PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > I would like to include debug info into more of my system, but still not the > > whole userland. So I'd like to start with libs. But how do I tell portage do > > to it? > > I've been using portage/env before for selected packag

[gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-16 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 17/12/12 00:14, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Sonntag, 16. Dezember 2012, 23:19:46 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 15/12/12 12:18, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Freitag, 14. Dezember 2012, 21:34:54 schrieb Kevin Chadwick: On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:53:35 -0800 Mark Knecht wrote: I guess the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-16 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Sonntag, 16. Dezember 2012, 23:19:46 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: > On 15/12/12 12:18, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > Am Freitag, 14. Dezember 2012, 21:34:54 schrieb Kevin Chadwick: > >> On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:53:35 -0800 > >> > >> Mark Knecht wrote: > >>> I guess the other question that's lurk

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: /usr/share/doc/openrc/net.example not found

2012-12-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 12:50:02 -0800, Bryan Gardiner wrote: > What about software that refers to files in /usr/share/doc? I can't > remember what program it was, but one I used a while back had a Help > menu item that tried to open a manual living there, but of course the > manual was compressed an

[gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-16 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2012-12-16, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 15/12/12 12:18, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> Am Freitag, 14. Dezember 2012, 21:34:54 schrieb Kevin Chadwick: >> >>> On OpenBSD which has the benefit of userland being part of it. All the >>> critical single user binaries are in root and built statical

[gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-16 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 15/12/12 12:18, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Freitag, 14. Dezember 2012, 21:34:54 schrieb Kevin Chadwick: On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:53:35 -0800 Mark Knecht wrote: I guess the other question that's lurking here for me is why do you have /usr on a separate partition? What's the usage model th

[gentoo-user] Re: /etc/portage/env for a whole category

2012-12-16 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 16/12/12 22:19, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: Hello again, I would like to include debug info into more of my system, but still not the whole userland. So I'd like to start with libs. But how do I tell portage do to it? I've been using portage/env before for selected packages, namely: $ cat /etc

Re: [gentoo-user] eudev

2012-12-16 Thread Bryan Gardiner
On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:39:59 + (UTC) James wrote: > Upon syncing, my system wants to upgrade to eudev. > > [blocks B] sys-fs/udev ("sys-fs/udev" is blocking sys-fs/eudev-0) > > > Not much out there; but I gleaned it is for those > that insist on a separate partition for /var and /usr. > An

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-16 Thread Dale
Nuno J. Silva wrote: > My thanks, too! There's nothing like reading on some actual experience > with this. So this was once the reason to keep / separate. Not that > important anymore (but this is still no excuse to force people to keep > /usr in the same filesystem). Mines on a separate partitio

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: /usr/share/doc/openrc/net.example not found

2012-12-16 Thread Bryan Gardiner
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:08:54 +0200 nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: > On 2012-12-15, Chris Stankevitz wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > The file > > > > /etc/conf.d/net > > > > reports that I can seen an example format at this location: > > > > /usr/share/doc/openrc/net.example > > As

[gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-16 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2012-12-16, Bruce Hill wrote: > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 05:10:43PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >> That was the original reason for having / and /usr separate, and it >> dates back to the early 70s. The other reason that stems from that time >> period is the size of disks we had back then -

[gentoo-user] /etc/portage/env for a whole category

2012-12-16 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Hello again, I would like to include debug info into more of my system, but still not the whole userland. So I'd like to start with libs. But how do I tell portage do to it? I've been using portage/env before for selected packages, namely: $ cat /etc/portage/debug-build CFLAGS="-O2 -march=native

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-16 Thread Bruce Hill
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 05:10:43PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > That was the original reason for having / and /usr separate, and it > dates back to the early 70s. The other reason that stems from that time > period is the size of disks we had back then - they were tiny and often > a minimal / w

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-16 Thread Michael Mol
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:39 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: > On Sunday, December 16, 2012 01:52:46 PM Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> Am Samstag, 15. Dezember 2012, 20:57:24 schrieb J. Roeleveld: >> > Even on a system with only 2 sockets, it can be useful to have NUMA >> > available. >> >> or not, becau

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-16 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Sunday, December 16, 2012 01:52:46 PM Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > Am Samstag, 15. Dezember 2012, 20:57:24 schrieb J. Roeleveld: > > Even on a system with only 2 sockets, it can be useful to have NUMA > > available. > > or not, because it costs you performance. When does it cost performance?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:16:05 +0200 nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: > On 2012-12-14, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > I guess the other question that's lurking here for me is why do you > > have /usr on a separate partition? What's the usage model that > > drives a person to do that? The most

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual or Quad CPU complications?

2012-12-16 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Samstag, 15. Dezember 2012, 20:57:24 schrieb J. Roeleveld: > On Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:46:36 AM Grant wrote: > > > You have to buy NUMA hardware. If the hardware you buys does not scream > > > > NUMA > > > > > at you, you don't have it. It is really that simple. > > > > > > Multicore,

Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone switched to eudev yet?

2012-12-16 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Samstag, 15. Dezember 2012, 17:43:05 schrieb Kevin Chadwick: > On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:18:25 +0100 > > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > > It should be moving in the other direction for stability reasons and > > > busybox is no full answer. > > > > > > On OpenBSD which has the benefit of userlan

Re: [gentoo-user] reboot: something renaming sub-directory in /var/run???

2012-12-16 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Dec 16, 2012 2:44 AM, "Jarry" wrote: > > Hi Gentoo-users, I have strange problem: > > "Something" is renaming /var/run/teamspeak3-server into > /var/run/teamspeak3 in every reboot! Maybe it has something > to do with udev/openrc/baselayout2, I do not know. > This is what happens: > > I installe

Re: [gentoo-user] Mounting floppy disks

2012-12-16 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:59:52 PM Paul Hartman wrote: > For some reason, when I mount floppy disk (standard HD 3.5" VFAT disk) > it does nothing. No error, just nothing... I have not tried this in > well over a year, but it used to work. > > The /dev/fd0 device works normally, I can access

Re: [gentoo-user] Question about new USE flags for xf86-video-intel

2012-12-16 Thread Walter Dnes
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 09:56:45AM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > I'll probably be going with SNA. Does anybody else have any experience > > and/or opinions? > > I have no idea about performance but I've got udev and sna enabled > at this tim