* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd hazard a guess that you may have hit a bigger problem than your
comment indicates. I'm pretty sure there would be great pressure to
use `quick and dirty hacks' to get stuff done when devs are nearly
always overworked.
Actually, they IMHO
On Mittwoch, 23. Januar 2008, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd hazard a guess that you may have hit a bigger problem than your
comment indicates. I'm pretty sure there would be great pressure to
use `quick and dirty hacks' to get stuff done when devs
Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Part of the problmem might be too many quick+dirty hacks, another
part's the philosophy of taking evrything as it comes from the
upstream. It's not trivial to get out of this ;-o
First off, your comments seem to be some of the more sensible here.
Not
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:51:33 +, James wrote:
You still believe gplv3 is a good thing? I think *GPLv3* is the spawn of
Satan, and that's the reason most of the kernel devs did not go for that
*horse hockey*!
I don't think that I was advocating gplv3, certainly that wasn't my
intent, just
Naga Toro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That would be two a**holes in that discussion. If you read it you
would know that may devs tried to correct drobbins but that he
couldn't accept the fact that he wasn't the chief anymore and that
things have changed since he left.
On the contrary, he never
On Tuesday 15 January 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tuesday 15 January 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After looking at some of the discusion at:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-644321.html
I saw there that gentoo's charter had been pulled.
What does that actually mean? And who is
James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The point I was trying to may (and not really a hard sell but just to
illuminate moving gentoo into more of an Entrepreneur distro)
would be to build the future of Gentoo (or a fork) on a better license
model than GPL.
Uhm, thanks, but no thanks. Why should GPL
James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you think that the Industrial
Military Complex has not modified you precious GPL code, then we are all
in Deep Doo.
I don't get you. They'll surely have modified the GPL code. But that's
not a problem. If they were going to sell something, they must provide
Naga wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Case in point, portage I have read has a lot of hacks that are hurting
development. In the end it works pretty well but it makes it really
hard to add more features without messing up something else. So,
someone needs to make a decision on what
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:05:26 +1000, Alan E. Davis wrote:
I want there to be a
gentoo. I want there to be a well documented and not horribly painful
way to install. I like the concept.
I completely agree. What's wrong with appropriating the Fedora (or
other) install? The arguments against
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:12:09 +, James wrote:
2. Keep licensing more in line with the BSD license for Gentoo centric
technology (thus encouraging entrepreneurship as defined by the
individual while simultaneously respecting GPLv2 and maintaining
compliance with GPLv2. GPLv3 is a poor
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:11:11 +0100, alain.didierjean wrote:
Daniel Robbins offers to take back Gentoo leadership. What about it ?
Read
http://blog.funtoo.org/2008/01/here-my-offer.html
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~adj~
I find it unfortunate that he doesn't simply post his ideas to this list,
but I suppose from
On Monday 14 January 2008, Iain Buchanan wrote:
On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 07:35 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
the situation will resolve that same way these things have always been
resolved, by one of these or a combination:
a. a strong leader emerges with a vision and takes over
b. a strong
Dale dalek1967 at bellsouth.net writes:
Like you, I wish I could do more. I would be willing to learn to code
if I felt it was worthwhile. I am disabled so I have plenty of time to
learn and contribute but after my past experiences on -dev, I won't be
repeating that for a VERY long time
Thufir hawat.thufir at gmail.com writes:
2. Keep licensing more in line with the BSD license for Gentoo centric
technology (thus encouraging entrepreneurship as defined by the
individual while simultaneously respecting GPLv2 and maintaining
compliance with GPLv2. GPLv3 is a poor idea,
On Monday 14 January 2008, James wrote:
Absolutely not -- For BSD licensing please use BSD. I see no reason
why everything Gentoo related can't be GPL v2 -- after all, the
kernel certainly is.
It runs a little deeper than this, particularly when you look at how
is doing what. For
May I suggest you split the discussion if you continue about licensing,
so we can keep a clear topic on Daniel's come back ?
Thanks
Etaoin Shrdlu a écrit :
On Monday 14 January 2008, James wrote:
Absolutely not -- For BSD licensing please use BSD. I see no reason
why everything Gentoo
Etaoin Shrdlu shrdlu at unlimitedmail.org writes:
The GPL does allow to sell your product (as opposite to giving it away
for free). Why should Montavista be sued if they respect the GPL? As
long as they distribute the source code with their products (which
admittedly I don't know), they
Jil Larner jil at gnoo.eu writes:
May I suggest you split the discussion if you continue about licensing,
so we can keep a clear topic on Daniel's come back ?
I only use licensing as an example (that I'm willing to defend
as long as it takes) to support the notion of vehicles to
generate
James [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(or at least go read the 14 pages on the forum and then come back
with a clue).
Maybe this has already been posted here... but:
What 14 pages on what forum?
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On Monday 14 January 2008, James wrote:
If it dies lots of folks
can pick up the code, rename it and start a fork that can be GPL or
commercial, IMHO. The GPL get's in the way, IMHO. Handing it over
to Daniel with ~100% non publish control is a recipe for the serfs
and the majority of the
Possibly this one :D
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-644321.html
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
James [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(or at least go read the 14 pages on the forum and then come back
with a clue).
Maybe this has already been posted here... but:
What 14 pages on what forum?
On Monday 14 January 2008, James wrote:
OK, then why does the GPL not make a simple rule change. If you have
grossed over 1 million dollars on your linux product or service, then
you have to open source your code.
Because it *already* says that if you redistribute your code you already
*have*
James a écrit :
Jil Larner jil at gnoo.eu writes:
May I suggest you split the discussion if you continue about licensing,
so we can keep a clear topic on Daniel's come back ?
I only use licensing as an example (that I'm willing to defend
as long as it takes) to support the notion of
On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 19:47 +, James wrote:
Jil Larner jil at gnoo.eu writes:
May I suggest you split the discussion if you continue about licensing,
so we can keep a clear topic on Daniel's come back ?
I only use licensing as an example (that I'm willing to defend
as long as it
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes:
Seeing as Linus himself has stated that he has absolutely no intention
of changing the license on the kernel, your idea is unworkable.
My idea is not to mess with either the GPL2/3 applications nor the
gplv2 kernel. What ever is under the
After looking at some of the discusion at:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-644321.html
I saw there that gentoo's charter had been pulled.
What does that actually mean? And who is such a charter with?
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On Tuesday 15 January 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After looking at some of the discusion at:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-644321.html
I saw there that gentoo's charter had been pulled.
What does that actually mean? And who is such a charter with?
The charter is a legal document
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 07:42 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tuesday 15 January 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After looking at some of the discusion at:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-644321.html
I saw there that gentoo's charter had been pulled.
What does that actually mean?
On Sunday 13 January 2008, James wrote:
I read one poster that blasted Ciaran McCreesh
Also recently, I read a thread where he created an alternative
to portage, and that many respected techies on this list actually
use his replacement for portage. The poster that blasted Ciaran,
misses a
On Sunday 13 January 2008, Mark Kirkwood wrote:
James wrote:
In my mind I'm an accomplished person. In her mind I'm just another
stupid EE,
Hey James -
Interesting post - this eludes me tho, what is an EE?
Electronic Engineer
--
Alan McKinnon
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
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On 13 January 2008, Mark Kirkwood wrote:
James wrote:
In my mind I'm an accomplished person. In her mind I'm just another
stupid EE,
Hey James -
Interesting post - this eludes me tho, what is an EE?
Electronic Engineer?
Uwe
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On Sunday 13 January 2008, James wrote:
I turn down most opportunities to be on a BOD
with many organizations, but, I care about Gentoo quite a lot. If Gentoo
is truely in crisis, why have the devs not discuss this with the wider
user community? This simple fact make the whole state of
· Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Samstag, 12. Januar 2008, Richard Marzan wrote:
On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 18:22 +0100, Renat Golubchyk wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:07:39 -0500 Richard Marzan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Although he works for Microsoft, Daniel is the one who
On Sunday 13 January 2008, Mick wrote:
I turn down most opportunities to be on a BOD
with many organizations, but, I care about Gentoo quite a lot. If
Gentoo is truely in crisis, why have the devs not discuss this with
the wider user community? This simple fact make the whole state of
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes:
It could just be managerial ineptitude though, combined with
emotional immaturity of certain persons (if Alan's previous critique
re.treating persons as machines holds true).
Odds are that this is the real explanation. Gentoo management is
On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 11:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Sunday 13 January 2008, Mark Kirkwood wrote:
James wrote:
In my mind I'm an accomplished person. In her mind I'm just another
stupid EE,
Hey James -
Interesting post - this eludes me tho, what is an EE?
Electronic
On Monday 14 January 2008, James wrote:
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes:
It could just be managerial ineptitude though, combined with
emotional immaturity of certain persons (if Alan's previous
critique re.treating persons as machines holds true).
Odds are that this
On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 07:35 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
the situation will resolve that same way these things have always been
resolved, by one of these or a combination:
a. a strong leader emerges with a vision and takes over
b. a strong leader emerges with a vision and forks
c. common
Just butting in here a bit but this discussion has got me somewhat
worried. This will probably ramble a bit... but at least that will
fit right in in this discussion... hehe.
I probably represent about the lowest level of gentoo user so I
thought maybe it would be good to speak up a bit here.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Case in point, portage I have read has a lot of hacks that are hurting
development. In the end it works pretty well but it makes it really
hard to add more features without messing up something else. So,
someone needs to make a decision on what needs to happen with
On Monday 14 January 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just butting in here a bit but this discussion has got me somewhat
worried. This will probably ramble a bit... but at least that will
fit right in in this discussion... hehe.
I probably represent about the lowest level of gentoo user so I
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just butting in here a bit but this discussion has got me somewhat
worried. This will probably ramble a bit... but at least that will
fit right in in this discussion... hehe.
I probably represent about the lowest level of gentoo user so I
thought maybe it would be
· Richard Marzan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Although he works for Microsoft,
Check your facts, please.
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,100121,39252292,00.htm.
Michael Schmarck
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linux-2.6.6/drivers/scsi/53c7xx.c
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Mick michaelkintzios at gmail.com writes:
The problem is, and is not, legal papers.
Because, IMO, legal papers are the visible part of an Iceberg. Could
someone tell me what *really* is the crisis ? If people did not do what
they were supposed to do : what should they have done ?
James wrote:
Mick michaelkintzios at gmail.com writes:
The problem is, and is not, legal papers.
Because, IMO, legal papers are the visible part of an Iceberg. Could
someone tell me what *really* is the crisis ? If people did not do what
they were supposed to do : what should they have
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes:
http://blog.funtoo.org/2008/01/here-my-offer.html
I've kept very quiet about Gentoo politics for a long time, but Daniel's
blog has promoted me to finally open my mouth and express my views.
Daniel is in a tricky position - he is the legal
Dale dalek1967 at bellsouth.net writes:
The problem is, and is not, legal papers.
Gentoo needs leadership that is accountable to the user community
but also bound to a set of bylaws that we agree with. Keeping the
distro free is paramount, but, creating avenues for financial success
James wrote:
In my mind I'm an accomplished person. In her mind I'm just another
stupid EE,
Hey James -
Interesting post - this eludes me tho, what is an EE?
Cheers
Mark
P.s: a beer should cure all women problems
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