Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

On 03/19/2013 05:09 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: >> If you're going to call me out for ignoring things, missing things or >> simply not knowing things, please highlight what it is. "the quote" >> isn't very enlightening in this context. You have a nasty habit of >> referencing things without inlining

Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

> Either you ignored what I said about being able to disable loading > remote content and being able to disable showing inline rich content, or > you're seriously concerned about HTML parser vulnerabilities. You can't disable incoming rich content (which is the important one) like jpg logos on And

Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

> If you're going to call me out for ignoring things, missing things or > simply not knowing things, please highlight what it is. "the quote" > isn't very enlightening in this context. You have a nasty habit of > referencing things without inlining them or referencing them directly, > and this has

Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

On 03/18/2013 08:05 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:16:52 -0400 Michael Mol > wrote: > >>> >>> On 03/18/2013 04:38 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > It can write but forces html onto users, >>> >>> You seem to miss some of the details. >> >> About that. See the attachment. It

Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

On 03/18/2013 08:15 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 23:38:11 + > Neil Bothwick wrote: > K9 Mail can do both plain text and bottom posting. Both set in Account settings/Sending mail. >>> >>> It can write but forces html onto users, which potentially includes >>> j

Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 00:15:34 +, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > What are you talking about? K9 forces HTML on no one, it sends plain > > text if you set it to do so. > > > If you receive a html email you have no choice but to execute code to > handle as per my above examples. That applies to mai

Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 23:38:11 + Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > K9 Mail can do both plain text and bottom posting. > > > Both set in Account settings/Sending mail. > > > > It can write but forces html onto users, which potentially includes > > jpg exploits, png exploits, html exploits, script

Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 19:16:52 -0400 Michael Mol wrote: > > > > On 03/18/2013 04:38 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > >>> It can write but forces html onto users, > > > > You seem to miss some of the details. > > About that. See the attachment. It's a screenshot of the setting in > K-9 where you

Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 20:38:11 +, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > K9 Mail can do both plain text and bottom posting. > > Both set in Account settings/Sending mail. > > It can write but forces html onto users, which potentially includes jpg > exploits, png exploits, html exploits, script exploits, f

Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

> I don't know what mail client you use (I suppose I could check your > headers), but *every* mail client I've used disables loading remote > content by default. > Except the content within the message. Why do you assume I am talking about remote content. > Further, you're ranting about users bei

Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

On 03/18/2013 04:38 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: >>> Wait, K9 Mail doesn't have a plain text option? >>> >>> Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised, as I am also unable to comprehend why K9 >>> might enforce top-posting on replies. >> >> K9 Mail can do both plain text and bottom posting. >> Both set in A

Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

> > Wait, K9 Mail doesn't have a plain text option? > > > > Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised, as I am also unable to comprehend why K9 > > might enforce top-posting on replies. > > K9 Mail can do both plain text and bottom posting. > Both set in Account settings/Sending mail. It can write but

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

Am 14.03.2013 09:15, schrieb Dale: I was wondering. Has anyone ever seen where a test as been done to compare the speed of Gentoo with other distros? Maybe Gentoo compared to Redhat, Mandrake, Ubuntu and such? Running Gentoo is not a choice about raw _speed_. I mean, even if you claim that

Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

Stroller wrote: Wait, K9 Mail doesn't have a plain text option? Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised, as I am also unable to comprehend why K9 might enforce top-posting on replies. K9 Mail can do both plain text and bottom posting. Both set in Account settings/Sending mail.

Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

On 15 March 2013, at 17:36, Kevin Chadwick wrote: >> ... >> ROFL. It's called "me wrestling with thunderbird to try to remove html >> formatting but failing". > > Compulsory html annoys me on Android (If only you could have proper > programs like Nokias N9 had claws) Wait, K9 Mail doesn't have a

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:15 AM, Dale wrote: > Howdy, > > I was wondering. Has anyone ever seen where a test as been done to > compare the speed of Gentoo with other distros? Maybe Gentoo compared > to Redhat, Mandrake, Ubuntu and such? > > Also, I read that Nasdaq runs a modified version of Ge

Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

On 03/15/2013 04:34 PM, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On 03/16/2013 04:06 AM, Mick wrote: >> On Friday 15 Mar 2013 17:36:48 Kevin Chadwick wrote: >>>>> From the headers of his email: >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed compar

Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

On Friday 15 Mar 2013 20:34:14 Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On 03/16/2013 04:06 AM, Mick wrote: > I understand that you can specify what sort of mail format you want to send > per email recipient, including of course , > but I don't have T'bird installed to check: > > http://kb.mozillazine.org/Pl

Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

On 03/16/2013 04:06 AM, Mick wrote: On Friday 15 Mar 2013 17:36:48 Kevin Chadwick wrote: From the headers of his email: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros References: <51418728.7020...@gmail.

Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

On Friday 15 Mar 2013 17:36:48 Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > > From the headers of his email: > > > > > > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros > > > References: <51418728.7020...@gmail.com> > > > In-Reply-To: <514

Re: [Bulk] Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

> > > > From the headers of his email: > > > > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros > > References: <51418728.7020...@gmail.com> > > In-Reply-To: <51418728.7020...@gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/html;

Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

>>> What exactly does it mean to run a "modified version of Gentoo"? >>> Don't we all? ;) >>> >>> >> >> What kind of crap email do you call that ^^^ ? >> > > From the headers of his email: > > Subject:

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 13:47:49 +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > >> > There's no need to rebuild everything, and those other flags make no >> > sense when using -e. Generally you only need >> > >> > emerge -uaD --changed-use @world >> > >> >> I

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

On Fri, 15 Mar 2013 13:47:49 +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > > There's no need to rebuild everything, and those other flags make no > > sense when using -e. Generally you only need > > > > emerge -uaD --changed-use @world > > > > I know that, in general principle. But it's a test environment.

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:40:49 +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > >> > Or, try remove LDAP, NIS and PAM support for auth from a RHEL machine >> > to test if it works without those things in place. >> > RHEL? Impossible. >> > Gentoo? Trivially e

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 14/03/2013 15:40, Mark David Dumlao wrote: >> On 03/14/2013 09:28 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >>> Or, try remove LDAP, NIS and PAM support for auth from a RHEL machine to >>> test if it works without those things in place. >>> RHEL? Impossib

Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

What exactly does it mean to run a "modified version of Gentoo"? > >> Don't we all? ;) > >> > >> > > > > What kind of crap email do you call that ^^^ ? > > > > From the headers of his email: > > Subject: Re: [gentoo-use

Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

ll? ;) >> >> > > What kind of crap email do you call that ^^^ ? > From the headers of his email: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros References: <51418728.7020...@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51418728.7020...@gmail.com> Content-Type:

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 08:31:54PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > > >http-equiv="Content-Type"> > > > On 03/14/2013 07:36 PM, Alan McKinnon > wrote: > > > On 14/03/2013 13:29, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > > > On 03/14/2013 04:15 PM, D

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 07:29:54PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > > >http-equiv="Content-Type"> > > > On 03/14/2013 04:15 PM, Dale wrote: > > > Also, I read that Nasdaq runs a modified version of > Gentoo. Do any > other large corps run it that we know

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

On 14/03/13 22:31, Paul Hartman wrote: > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote: >> Why I prefer Gentoo over other distros: Full control. > > That's it, in a nutshell. > >> I mean, I can (and do) leverage "-march=native". > > I've been scared away from -march and instead of -mtune

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:40:49 +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > > Or, try remove LDAP, NIS and PAM support for auth from a RHEL machine > > to test if it works without those things in place. > > RHEL? Impossible. > > Gentoo? Trivially easy. > "Trivially easy", of course, means an emerge -euDNtv

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Pandu Poluan wrote: > Why I prefer Gentoo over other distros: Full control. That's it, in a nutshell. > I mean, I can (and do) leverage "-march=native". I've been scared away from -march and instead of -mtune in case i need to drop my hard drive into another sys

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

On 14/03/2013 15:40, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On 03/14/2013 09:28 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 14/03/2013 14:12, Pandu Poluan wrote: >>> On Mar 14, 2013 4:14 PM, "William Kenworthy" >> > wrote: Did this few years back for an online magazine sponsored by a local >

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

On 03/14/2013 09:28 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 14/03/2013 14:12, Pandu Poluan wrote: >> On Mar 14, 2013 4:14 PM, "William Kenworthy" > > wrote: >>> Did this few years back for an online magazine sponsored by a local >>> linux sysadmin company who wanted to see the diff

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

On 14/03/2013 14:12, Pandu Poluan wrote: > > On Mar 14, 2013 4:14 PM, "William Kenworthy" > wrote: >> >> Did this few years back for an online magazine sponsored by a local >> linux sysadmin company who wanted to see the difference between generic >> debian and optimise

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

On 14/03/2013 14:31, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On 03/14/2013 07:36 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On 14/03/2013 13:29, Mark David Dumlao wrote: >>> On 03/14/2013 04:15 PM, Dale wrote: Also, I read that Nasdaq runs a modified version of Gentoo. Do any other large corps run it that we know o

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

On 03/14/2013 07:36 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 14/03/2013 13:29, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On 03/14/2013 04:15 PM, Dale wrote: Also, I read that Nasdaq runs a modified version of Gentoo. Do any other large corps run it that we kn

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

On Mar 14, 2013 4:14 PM, "William Kenworthy" wrote: > > Did this few years back for an online magazine sponsored by a local > linux sysadmin company who wanted to see the difference between generic > debian and optimised (not necessarily gentoo, but thats what I used.) > > Difference in times was

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

On Mar 14, 2013 6:39 PM, "Alan McKinnon" wrote: > > On 14/03/2013 13:29, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > > On 03/14/2013 04:15 PM, Dale wrote: > >> Also, I read that Nasdaq runs a modified version of Gentoo. Do any > >> other large corps run it that we know of? > >> > > What exactly does it mean to ru

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

On 14/03/2013 13:29, Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On 03/14/2013 04:15 PM, Dale wrote: >> Also, I read that Nasdaq runs a modified version of Gentoo. Do any >> other large corps run it that we know of? >> > What exactly does it mean to run a "modified version of Gentoo"? Don't > we all? ;) I've al

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

Hi Just my $0.02: Of course there are distro-related issues on performance, but once the system is up and running, wouldn't it be a matter of compiler/linker optimization differences? Francisco 2013/3/14 Michael Hampicke > 2013/3/14 Dale > >> Howdy, >> >> Also, I read that Nasdaq runs a mod

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

On 03/14/2013 04:15 PM, Dale wrote: Also, I read that Nasdaq runs a modified version of Gentoo. Do any other large corps run it that we know of? What exactly does it mean to run a "modified version of Gentoo"? Don't we all? ;)

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013/3/14 Dale > Howdy, > > Also, I read that Nasdaq runs a modified version of Gentoo. Do any > other large corps run it that we know of? > > I googled a bit but couldn't find anything. Maybe my search terms > wasn't good enough. Yeehaw, domainfactory (http://df.eu) uses a modified version

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

Did this few years back for an online magazine sponsored by a local linux sysadmin company who wanted to see the difference between generic debian and optimised (not necessarily gentoo, but thats what I used.) Difference in times was ~10% across the board for graphics manipulations (gimp scripts),

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 03:15:36 -0500, Dale wrote: > >> I was wondering. Has anyone ever seen where a test as been done to >> compare the speed of Gentoo with other distros? Maybe Gentoo compared >> to Redhat, Mandrake, Ubuntu and such? > > Mandrake? Where have you been for th

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 03:15:36 -0500, Dale wrote: > I was wondering. Has anyone ever seen where a test as been done to > compare the speed of Gentoo with other distros? Maybe Gentoo compared > to Redhat, Mandrake, Ubuntu and such? Mandrake? Where have you been for the last ten years, Dale? ;) -

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

Hi !! On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Dale wrote: > Howdy, > > I was wondering. Has anyone ever seen where a test as been done to > compare the speed of Gentoo with other distros? Maybe Gentoo compared > to Redhat, Mandrake, Ubuntu and such? First things first ... What do you mean by "speed"

[gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

Howdy, I was wondering. Has anyone ever seen where a test as been done to compare the speed of Gentoo with other distros? Maybe Gentoo compared to Redhat, Mandrake, Ubuntu and such? Also, I read that Nasdaq runs a modified version of Gentoo. Do any other large corps run it that we know of? I