Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-18 Thread Dale
Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > Am Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 07:26:30AM -0500 schrieb Dale: > >> If you don't play games, then definitely get integrated graphics. >>> I'd add to this, you could still play many games, especially older games >>> using >>> a modern APU. The integrated graphics

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-18 Thread Mike Civil
On 18/04/2024 13:26, Dale wrote: The biggest reason I like a separate video card, I can upgrade if needed.  Built in video means a new mobo. Having a motherboard that supports an apu doesn't preclude adding a separate graphics card later if required (viz a lot of laptops that come so

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-18 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 07:26:30AM -0500 schrieb Dale: > If you don't play games, then definitely get integrated graphics. > > I'd add to this, you could still play many games, especially older games > > using > > a modern APU. The integrated graphics capability is broadly comparable > >

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-18 Thread Dale
Michael wrote: > On Wednesday, 17 April 2024 23:13:40 BST Dale wrote: >> Frank Steinmetzger wrote: >>> Am Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 01:18:39PM -0400 schrieb Rich Freeman: On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 9:33 AM Dale wrote: > Rich Freeman wrote: > If you don't play games, then definitely get

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-18 Thread Michael
On Wednesday, 17 April 2024 23:13:40 BST Dale wrote: > Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > > Am Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 01:18:39PM -0400 schrieb Rich Freeman: > >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 9:33 AM Dale wrote: > >>> Rich Freeman wrote: > All AM5 CPUs have GPUs, but in general motherboards with video

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-17 Thread Dale
Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > Am Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 01:18:39PM -0400 schrieb Rich Freeman: >> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 9:33 AM Dale wrote: >>> Rich Freeman wrote: >>> All AM5 CPUs have GPUs, but in general motherboards with video outputs do not require the CPU to have a GPU built in.

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-17 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 9:33 AM Dale wrote: >> Rich Freeman wrote: >> >>> All AM5 CPUs have GPUs, but in general motherboards with video outputs >>> do not require the CPU to have a GPU built in. The ports just don't >>> do anything if this is lacking, and you would need a

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-17 Thread Dale
Meik Frischke wrote: > Am 2024-04-17 12:33, schrieb Dale: >> I found a benchmark website that compares the two.  Link below.  It >> claims about 80% faster.  In some ways, twice as fast. Sometimes those >> bench tests don't reflect the real world to well.  Most of them seem to >> test gaming

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-17 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 01:18:39PM -0400 schrieb Rich Freeman: > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 9:33 AM Dale wrote: > > > > Rich Freeman wrote: > > > > > All AM5 CPUs have GPUs, but in general motherboards with video outputs > > > do not require the CPU to have a GPU built in. The ports just don't > >

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-17 Thread Meik Frischke
Am 2024-04-17 12:33, schrieb Dale: I found a benchmark website that compares the two.  Link below.  It claims about 80% faster.  In some ways, twice as fast. Sometimes those bench tests don't reflect the real world to well.  Most of them seem to test gaming speeds which isn't of much use anyway

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-17 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 9:33 AM Dale wrote: > > Rich Freeman wrote: > > > All AM5 CPUs have GPUs, but in general motherboards with video outputs > > do not require the CPU to have a GPU built in. The ports just don't > > do anything if this is lacking, and you would need a dedicated GPU. > > > >

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-17 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 6:33 AM Dale wrote: >> On the AM5 link, I found a mobo that I kinda like. I still wish it had >> more PCIe slots tho. > AM5 has 28 PCIe lanes. Anything above that comes from a switch on the > motherboard. > > 0.1% of the population cares about

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-17 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 6:33 AM Dale wrote: > > On the AM5 link, I found a mobo that I kinda like. I still wish it had > more PCIe slots tho. AM5 has 28 PCIe lanes. Anything above that comes from a switch on the motherboard. 0.1% of the population cares about having anything on their

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-17 Thread Dale
Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > Am Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:04:15AM -0500 schrieb Dale: > > >> I've seen some server type mobos that have SAS connectors which gives >> several options.  Some of them tend to have more PCIe slots which some >> regular mobos don't anymore.  Then there is that ECC memory

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-15 Thread Dale
Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > Am Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:04:15AM -0500 schrieb Dale: > >>> The physical connector is called M.2. The dimensions of the “sticks” are >>> given in a number such as 2280, meaning 22 mm wide and 80 mm long. There >>> are >>> different lengths available from 30 to 110

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-15 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 08:04:15AM -0500 schrieb Dale: > > The physical connector is called M.2. The dimensions of the “sticks” are > > given in a number such as 2280, meaning 22 mm wide and 80 mm long. There > > are > > different lengths available from 30 to 110 mm. M.2 has different “keys”,

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-15 Thread Dale
Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > Am Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 08:23:27AM -0500 schrieb Dale: >> Rich Freeman wrote: >>> On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 8:11 AM Dale wrote: My biggest thing right now, finding a mobo with plenty of PCIe slots. They put all this new stuff, wifi and such, but remove things I

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-15 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
Am Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 08:23:27AM -0500 schrieb Dale: > Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 8:11 AM Dale wrote: > >> My biggest thing right now, finding a mobo with plenty of PCIe slots. > >> They put all this new stuff, wifi and such, but remove things I do need, > >> PCIe slots. >

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-13 Thread Dale
Wols Lists wrote: > On 13/04/2024 14:23, Dale wrote: >> I see lots of mobos with those little hard drives on a stick.  I think >> they called NVME or something, may have spelling wrong.  For most >> people, that is likely awesome.  For me, I think I'd be happy with a >> regular SSD.  Given that,

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-13 Thread Wols Lists
On 13/04/2024 14:23, Dale wrote: I see lots of mobos with those little hard drives on a stick.  I think they called NVME or something, may have spelling wrong.  For most people, that is likely awesome.  For me, I think I'd be happy with a regular SSD.  Given that, I'd like them to make a mobo

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-13 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 8:20 AM Dale wrote: >> Right now, I have a three drive setup in a removable cage for the NAS >> box. > If you only need three drives I'm sure you can find cheap used > hardware that will handle that. Odds are it will use way less power > and perform

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-13 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 8:11 AM Dale wrote: >> My biggest thing right now, finding a mobo with plenty of PCIe slots. >> They put all this new stuff, wifi and such, but remove things I do need, >> PCIe slots. > PCIe and memory capacity seem to have become the way the >

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-13 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 8:20 AM Dale wrote: > > Right now, I have a three drive setup in a removable cage for the NAS > box. If you only need three drives I'm sure you can find cheap used hardware that will handle that. Odds are it will use way less power and perform better than whatever you're

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-13 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 8:11 AM Dale wrote: > > My biggest thing right now, finding a mobo with plenty of PCIe slots. > They put all this new stuff, wifi and such, but remove things I do need, > PCIe slots. PCIe and memory capacity seem to have become the way the server/workstation and consumer

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-13 Thread Dale
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 3:58 AM Dale wrote: >> Given the FX-6300 has a higher clocks speed, 3.8GHz versus 3.2GHz for >> the Phenom, I'd think the FX would be a upgrade, quite a good one at >> that. More L2 cache too. Both are 6 cores according to what I found. >> Anyone

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-13 Thread Dale
Michael wrote: > On Saturday, 13 April 2024 12:12:04 BST Dale wrote: >> Michael wrote: >>> On Saturday, 13 April 2024 08:58:50 BST Dale wrote: Howdy, As most likely know, I have a older box I use for backups. The hard drives are encrypted which likes the CPU to have AES

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-13 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 3:58 AM Dale wrote: > > Given the FX-6300 has a higher clocks speed, 3.8GHz versus 3.2GHz for > the Phenom, I'd think the FX would be a upgrade, quite a good one at > that. More L2 cache too. Both are 6 cores according to what I found. > Anyone know something I don't

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-13 Thread Michael
On Saturday, 13 April 2024 12:12:04 BST Dale wrote: > Michael wrote: > > On Saturday, 13 April 2024 08:58:50 BST Dale wrote: > >> Howdy, > >> > >> As most likely know, I have a older box I use for backups. The hard > >> drives are encrypted which likes the CPU to have AES support. The > >>

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-13 Thread Dale
Michael wrote: > On Saturday, 13 April 2024 08:58:50 BST Dale wrote: >> Howdy, >> >> As most likely know, I have a older box I use for backups. The hard >> drives are encrypted which likes the CPU to have AES support. The >> Phenom CPUs don't seam to support AES from what I've seen. The specs

Re: [gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-13 Thread Michael
On Saturday, 13 April 2024 08:58:50 BST Dale wrote: > Howdy, > > As most likely know, I have a older box I use for backups. The hard > drives are encrypted which likes the CPU to have AES support. The > Phenom CPUs don't seam to support AES from what I've seen. The specs > for the mobo says

[gentoo-user] NAS box and switching from Phenom II X6 1090T to FX-6300

2024-04-13 Thread Dale
Howdy, As most likely know, I have a older box I use for backups.  The hard drives are encrypted which likes the CPU to have AES support.  The Phenom CPUs don't seam to support AES from what I've seen.  The specs for the mobo says the mobo does support the FX-6300 CPU tho which has AES support.