Re: [gentoo-user] New PC, new boot concepts

2014-12-21 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Saturday, December 20, 2014 11:10:26 PM behrouz khosravi wrote: The advantage of efi over bios is that the boot loader doesn't have to embed anything in the mbr, the post mbr gap, or the bios boot partition. I just wanted to say that there is another advantage too! MS WIndows7 support

Re: [gentoo-user] New PC, new boot concepts

2014-12-21 Thread behrouz khosravi
Just to add a little extra detail before others run into the same. Not ALL UEFI systems work with MS Windows 7. Without a compatibility part for the VGA-console, the install will fail. I didnt know that. Thanks for the info.

Re: [gentoo-user] New PC, new boot concepts

2014-12-21 Thread J. Roeleveld
On 21 December 2014 15:28:26 CET, behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: Just to add a little extra detail before others run into the same. Not ALL UEFI systems work with MS Windows 7. Without a compatibility part for the VGA-console, the install will fail. I didnt know that.

Re: [gentoo-user] New PC, new boot concepts

2014-12-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On 20 December 2014 02:03:41 GMT+00:00, Sid S r03...@gmail.com wrote: I still use GRUB to boot ISO images, and have a sysrescd image in /boot for this. With UEFI, you can have more than one bootloader installed. I hadn't considered the possibility of UEFI booting to an ISO directly, I'd

Re: [gentoo-user] New PC, new boot concepts

2014-12-20 Thread Daniel Frey
On 12/19/2014 07:22 AM, Mick wrote: I'll be taking my time to google, read and make appropriate selections, so please bear with me while I start relevant threads as necessary to complement my sparse knowledge in these topics. Starting from the top, with this thread I am trying to find out

Re: [gentoo-user] New PC, new boot concepts

2014-12-20 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Old dogs and new tricks springs to mind. I am building a new PC and what with UEFI, APUs and SSDs, it feels like that the world has moved a long way since the last time I had to install gentoo. I'll be taking my time to

Re: [gentoo-user] New PC, new boot concepts

2014-12-20 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 19 Dec 2014 15:46:43 Todd Goodman wrote: * Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com [141219 10:22]: I am trying to find out what is considered good practice as far as UEFI/MBR and boot management goes. FWIW, I've built

Re: [gentoo-user] New PC, new boot concepts

2014-12-20 Thread behrouz khosravi
The advantage of efi over bios is that the boot loader doesn't have to embed anything in the mbr, the post mbr gap, or the bios boot partition. I just wanted to say that there is another advantage too! MS WIndows7 support booting from GPT partition tables, only if you are using the UEFI. (I

[gentoo-user] New PC, new boot concepts

2014-12-19 Thread Mick
Old dogs and new tricks springs to mind. I am building a new PC and what with UEFI, APUs and SSDs, it feels like that the world has moved a long way since the last time I had to install gentoo. I'll be taking my time to google, read and make appropriate selections, so please bear with me

Re: [gentoo-user] New PC, new boot concepts

2014-12-19 Thread Todd Goodman
* Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com [141219 10:22]: [SNIP] I am trying to find out what is considered good practice as far as UEFI/MBR and boot management goes. FWIW, I've built recent machines with UEFI/GPT but I mostly build recent machines using BIOS-mode/GPT or MBR. It usually depends on how

Re: [gentoo-user] New PC, new boot concepts

2014-12-19 Thread Mick
On Friday 19 Dec 2014 15:46:43 Todd Goodman wrote: * Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com [141219 10:22]: [SNIP] I am trying to find out what is considered good practice as far as UEFI/MBR and boot management goes. FWIW, I've built recent machines with UEFI/GPT but I mostly build recent

Re: [gentoo-user] New PC, new boot concepts

2014-12-19 Thread Todd Goodman
* Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com [141219 11:13]: On Friday 19 Dec 2014 15:46:43 Todd Goodman wrote: * Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com [141219 10:22]: [SNIP] I am trying to find out what is considered good practice as far as UEFI/MBR and boot management goes. FWIW, I've built

Re: [gentoo-user] New PC, new boot concepts

2014-12-19 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:22:04 +, Mick wrote: The MoBo is capable of booting in CMS mode, but I am not sure if there are any benefits in creating a 2MB partition for a conventional MBR bootloader, or I should forego MBR altogether and go directly with a GPT FAT32 EFI System Partition (ESP).

Re: [gentoo-user] New PC, new boot concepts

2014-12-19 Thread Sid S
I still use GRUB to boot ISO images, and have a sysrescd image in /boot for this. With UEFI, you can have more than one bootloader installed. I hadn't considered the possibility of UEFI booting to an ISO directly, I'd be interested to know if it is possible. Typically one takes the contents

Re: [gentoo-user] New PC, new boot concepts

2014-12-19 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Sid S r03...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, I am kind of surprised people are still having problems with UEFI. It's necessary to turn SecureBoot off, but otherwise I just got everything to work. I've yet to do an EFI install, but presumably you could either sign