Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-08-07 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/7/20 2:06 PM, james wrote: Here is an short read on the acceptance and usage of IPv6: https://ungleich.ch/u/blog/2020-the-year-of-ipv6/ So, yes I am working on using IPv6, with my RV/mobile-lab. I think that IPv6 is a good thing. But I would be remis to not say that IPv6 is somewhat of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-08-07 Thread james
On 8/1/20 2:45 PM, Grant Taylor wrote: On 7/31/20 1:54 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: If I had a week with nothing to do, I'd love to try to get something like that working You don't need a week.� You don't even need a day.� You can probably have a test tunnel working (on your computer) in

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-08-01 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/1/20 1:53 PM, antlists wrote: That's one of the good things about the UK scene. In theory, and mostly in practice, the infrastructure (ie copper, fibre) is provided by a company which is not allowed to provide the service over it, so a mom-n-pop ISP can supposedly rent the link just as

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-08-01 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/1/20 5:36 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: Statically entered in the DHCP server doesn't count as static? Not to the client computer that's running the DHCP client. The computer is still configured to use a dynamic method to acquire it's IP address. -- Grant. . . . unix || die

[gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-08-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-08-01, Grant Taylor wrote: > Static IP address has some very specific meaning when it comes to > configuring TCP/IP stacks. Specifically that you enter the address to > be used, and it doesn't change until someone changes it in the > configuration. Right. That's what I was talking

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-08-01 Thread antlists
On 01/08/2020 19:52, Grant Taylor wrote: On 7/31/20 2:01 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: There may be half way decent ISPs in the US, but I haven't seen one in over 20 years since the last one I was aware of stopped dealing with residential customers.  They were a victem of the "race to the bottom"

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-08-01 Thread antlists
On 01/08/2020 19:48, Grant Taylor wrote: On 7/31/20 2:05 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: Nit: DHCPv6 can be (and usually is) dynamic, but it doesn't have to be. It's entirely possible to have a static IP address that your OS (or firewall/router) acquires via DHCPv6 (or v4).  [I set up stuff like

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-08-01 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/31/20 2:01 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: There may be half way decent ISPs in the US, but I haven't seen one in over 20 years since the last one I was aware of stopped dealing with residential customers. They were a victem of the "race to the bottom" when not enough residential customers were

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-08-01 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/31/20 2:05 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: Nit: DHCPv6 can be (and usually is) dynamic, but it doesn't have to be. It's entirely possible to have a static IP address that your OS (or firewall/router) acquires via DHCPv6 (or v4). [I set up stuff like that all the time.] Counter Nit: That's

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-08-01 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/31/20 1:54 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: If I had a week with nothing to do, I'd love to try to get something like that working You don't need a week. You don't even need a day. You can probably have a test tunnel working (on your computer) in less than an hour. Then maybe a few more hours

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-07-31 Thread Daniel Frey
On 7/30/20 4:38 PM, Ralph Seichter wrote: * Grant Edwards: Pricing is based on what people are willing to pay. People are willing to pay extra for a static IPv6 address, therefore static IPv6 addresses cost extra. Somewhere, and some people. I'd be interested to hear from users who still

[gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-07-31 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-07-31, Grant Taylor wrote: > On 7/29/20 9:41 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: >> Aren't all IPv6 addresses static? > > No. > > SLAAC and DHCPv6 are as dynamic as can be. Nit: DHCPv6 can be (and usually is) dynamic, but it doesn't have to be. It's entirely possible to have a static IP address

[gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-07-31 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-07-31, Grant Taylor wrote: > On 7/30/20 5:38 PM, Ralph Seichter wrote: >> I'd be interested to hear from users who still need to pay extra >> for IPv6. > > I'd be willing, if not happy, to pay a reasonable monthly fee to be able > to get native IPv6 from my ISP. > > But it's 2020 and my

[gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-07-31 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-07-31, Grant Taylor wrote: > On 7/29/20 5:23 PM, james wrote: >> Free static IPs? > > Sure. > > Sign up with Hurricane Electric for an IPv6 in IPv4 tunnel and request > that they route a /56 to you. It's free. #hazFun If I had a week with nothing to do, I'd love to try to get

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-07-31 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/30/20 5:38 PM, Ralph Seichter wrote: I'd be interested to hear from users who still need to pay extra for IPv6. I'd be willing, if not happy, to pay a reasonable monthly fee to be able to get native IPv6 from my ISP. But it's 2020 and my ISP doesn't support IPv6 at all. :-( As such,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-07-31 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/29/20 1:28 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: I don't know what most ISPs are doing. I couldn't get IPv6 via Comcast (or whatever they're called this week) working with OpenWRT (probably my fault, and I didn't really need it). So I never figured out if the IPv6 address I was getting was static or

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-07-31 Thread Grant Taylor
On 7/29/20 9:41 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: Aren't all IPv6 addresses static? No. SLAAC and DHCPv6 are as dynamic as can be. Static is certainly an option. But I see SLAAC and DHCPv6 used frequently. -- Grant. . . . unix || die

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-07-30 Thread Ralph Seichter
* Grant Edwards: > Pricing is based on what people are willing to pay. People are willing > to pay extra for a static IPv6 address, therefore static IPv6 > addresses cost extra. Somewhere, and some people. I'd be interested to hear from users who still need to pay extra for IPv6. Here in Germany

[gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-07-29 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-07-29, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Wednesday, 29 July 2020 13:59:11 BST Grant Edwards wrote: > >> Pricing isn't based on cost. Pricing is based on what people are >> willing to pay. People are willing to pay extra for a static IPv6 >> address, therefore static IPv6 addresses cost extra.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-07-29 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday, 29 July 2020 16:55:27 BST antlists wrote: > I think there's static, and there's effectively static. > > If your router is running 24/7, then the IP won't change even if it's > DHCP. But your router only needs to be switched off or otherwise off the > network for the TTL (time to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-07-29 Thread antlists
On 29/07/2020 16:41, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday, 29 July 2020 13:59:11 BST Grant Edwards wrote: Pricing isn't based on cost. Pricing is based on what people are willing to pay. People are willing to pay extra for a static IPv6 address, therefore static IPv6 addresses cost extra.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-07-29 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday, 29 July 2020 13:59:11 BST Grant Edwards wrote: > Pricing isn't based on cost. Pricing is based on what people are > willing to pay. People are willing to pay extra for a static IPv6 > address, therefore static IPv6 addresses cost extra. Aren't all IPv6 addresses static? Mine

[gentoo-user] Re: Local mail server

2020-07-29 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2020-07-29, Wols Lists wrote: > ? I can understand a fee for a static IP4 - they've run out, > after all, and people are fighting over them ... > > Don't ISPs get a 2^64 allocation of IP6 *network* addresses? They > should just allocate one to your router and that's that! Still, I >