Re: [gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: I don't need to be worried, that this will happen with Gentoo either anytime soon? What? That we'll take a vote that some anti-systemd folks won't like? It has already happened - package maintainers aren't permitted to

Re: [gentoo-user] Installing BTRFS on MBR with OpenRC

2015-08-07 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 09:29:32 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: Now you know why I boot directly from the ISO in /boot ;-) That is obviously a convenience, but my main use case for a rescue CD is when there is something messed up with my bootloader/disks/etc. So, I'd prefer to have it on a USB stick

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-07 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 14:51:24 + (UTC), James` wrote: That was it, I couldn't remember the name. H (GRP option), Can anyone dig out a link to that install medium? I'm unable to find it. I have lots of old i(3/4/5/6_86 gear I can revisit such old installs:: and Sven has archived

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT]: Optimal formatting a SDcard (64GB) with partions of diffent sizes and filesystems?

2015-08-07 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-08-07, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: wabenbau at gmail.com writes: If I'm monkeying around with my email config and I'm not sure if everything is still okay, I usually use gmane [1,2]. [1] http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user [2]

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-07 Thread J. Rutkowski
There was no installer other than the handbook. There was the former Gentoo installer project [1] but it was discontinued in 2009. The source is still available [2] [1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Installer/Old [2] https://gitweb.gentoo.org/proj/gli.git/about/ J. Rutkowski

[gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-07 Thread James
Mick michaelkintzios at gmail.com writes: http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/GRP Interestingly, I found this link:: http://netlibrary.net/articles/Gentoo_Reference_Platform Not sure if the gentoo Attic contains such images. Hmm ... this cvs is empty: yep.

Re: [gentoo-user] Installing BTRFS on MBR with OpenRC

2015-08-07 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 08:18:40 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: So, if you have a USB stick that won't boot, consider that the problem may actually lie in your BIOS... Now you know why I boot directly from the ISO in /boot ;-) -- Neil Bothwick Roses are red, violets are blue; I'm schizophrenic and

Re: [gentoo-user] Installing BTRFS on MBR with OpenRC

2015-08-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 08:18:40 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: So, if you have a USB stick that won't boot, consider that the problem may actually lie in your BIOS... Now you know why I boot directly from the ISO in /boot ;-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-07 Thread Heiko Baums
Am 08.08.2015 um 00:28 schrieb Rich Freeman: Udev installs into such a path, and currently does not depend on systemd (in fact, they block each other). They block each other because udev is part of systemd. So if you install systemd you already have udev and don't need the separate udev

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT]: Optimal formatting a SDcard (64GB) with partions of diffent sizes and filesystems?

2015-08-07 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Friday, August 07, 2015 9:44:50 PM meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com [15-08-07 20:04]: On Friday 07 Aug 2015 04:27:15 Fernando Rodriguez wrote: On Thursday, August 06, 2015 6:18:59 PM meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, for my tablet PC I used a used 32GB

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT]: Optimal formatting a SDcard (64GB) with partions of diffent sizes and filesystems?

2015-08-07 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Friday, August 07, 2015 6:58:47 PM waben...@gmail.com wrote: Alec Ten Harmsel a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 06:25:11PM +0200, waben...@gmail.com wrote: Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote: I wrote a long reply to this and it appears

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: If packages that don't need systemd as a hard dependency or are installed with USE=-systemd write anything which is important for them or could break them even without systemd into one of those systemd directories which I

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT]: Optimal formatting a SDcard (64GB) with partions of diffent sizes and filesystems?

2015-08-07 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Friday, August 07, 2015 8:33:17 PM waben...@gmail.com wrote: Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 07 Aug 2015 00:23:35 waben...@gmail.com wrote: Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering similar questions regarding a 32G flash card I have. Using fdisk to

Re: [gentoo-user] Installing BTRFS on MBR with OpenRC

2015-08-07 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 06 August 2015 12:09:20 Jeremi Piotrowski wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Peter Humphrey wrote: First, btrfs balance. I had no idea that was needed, so of course I didn't include it in my attempts. Could that be why, on booting, the kernel couldn't mount the file system? I don't

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-07 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 17:35:38 -0700, walt wrote: It varies, but it can more than halve the time taken. Well worth the minute or two it took to set it up to happen automatically. You appear to be building claws-mail from git (as do I), which seems in theory a good use of ccache. Am I

Re: [gentoo-user] boots, but not on first try

2015-08-07 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 23:34:56 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: I got ahead of things I suppose on the bootloader instructions, which include no example for Grub 0.97. I did emerge -s grub to identify the package name, then did 'emerge --ask sys-boot/grub-static' without first looking for any

Re: [gentoo-user] boots, but not on first try

2015-08-07 Thread Felix Miata
Neil Bothwick composed on 2015-08-07 08:56 (UTC+0100): On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 23:34:56 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: I got ahead of things I suppose on the bootloader instructions, which include no example for Grub 0.97. I did emerge -s grub to identify the package name, then did 'emerge --ask

Re: [gentoo-user] minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-07 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 22:08:16 +0100, Mick wrote: % cat /etc/portage/env/ccache.conf FEATURES=ccache % cat /etc/portage/package.env/libreoffice app-office/libreoffice ccache.conf disk-tmpdir.conf And don't forget to emerge ccache ;-) Hmm ... may be I should re-enable it

Re: [gentoo-user] boots, but not on first try

2015-08-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:45 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 04:40:12 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: Why is root=/dev/ram0 real_root= in the sample/prototype? That's for using an initrd, specifically the one produced by genkernel. With no initrd you simply give

Re: [gentoo-user] Installing BTRFS on MBR with OpenRC

2015-08-07 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 09:49:24 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: Yep, but as stated by Rich there isn't much to a btrfs raid 1 install aside from mkfs.btrfs, building btrfs support into the kernel, the slightly different fstab entry, and using an initramfs (dracut makes it easy). The

Re: [gentoo-user] boots, but not on first try

2015-08-07 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 04:40:12 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: Didn't we cover this already? You have GRUB installed to boot your other distros, all you need to do is add a stanza for Gentoo to your existing menu.lst. Subject only got touched. That's all I *need* to do. :-) Yes :) My

Re: [gentoo-user] Installing BTRFS on MBR with OpenRC

2015-08-07 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 07 August 2015 10:48:02 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 09:49:24 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: Yep, but as stated by Rich there isn't much to a btrfs raid 1 install aside from mkfs.btrfs, building btrfs support into the kernel, the slightly different fstab entry, and

[gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-07 Thread James`
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: That's what Gentoo did years ago. You could download a DVD with prebuilt binary packages. It meant you could follow the handbook, but without changing use flags from the default profiles for that DVD, and get a running system in no time.

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT]: Optimal formatting a SDcard (64GB) with partions of diffent sizes and filesystems?

2015-08-07 Thread wabenbau
Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote: I wrote a long reply to this and it appears to have been swallowed by /dev/null. I have read it, so it wasn't swallowed. I also have written some posts in the last 2 or 3 days, but it seems that everyone ignored them. I think the

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT]: Optimal formatting a SDcard (64GB) with partions of diffent sizes and filesystems?

2015-08-07 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 06:25:11PM +0200, waben...@gmail.com wrote: Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote: I wrote a long reply to this and it appears to have been swallowed by /dev/null. I have read it, so it wasn't swallowed. I also have written some posts in the

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT]: Optimal formatting a SDcard (64GB) with partions of diffent sizes and filesystems?

2015-08-07 Thread wabenbau
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 07 Aug 2015 00:23:35 waben...@gmail.com wrote: Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering similar questions regarding a 32G flash card I have. Using fdisk to partition it the starting sector was automatically aligned with 2048

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT]: Optimal formatting a SDcard (64GB) with partions of diffent sizes and filesystems?

2015-08-07 Thread Mick
On Friday 07 Aug 2015 00:23:35 waben...@gmail.com wrote: Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering similar questions regarding a 32G flash card I have. Using fdisk to partition it the starting sector was automatically aligned with 2048 as it fdisk has been improved to deal with

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-07 Thread Mick
On Friday 07 Aug 2015 15:51:24 James` wrote: Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: That's what Gentoo did years ago. You could download a DVD with prebuilt binary packages. It meant you could follow the handbook, but without changing use flags from the default profiles for that

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT]: Optimal formatting a SDcard (64GB) with partions of diffent sizes and filesystems?

2015-08-07 Thread wabenbau
Alec Ten Harmsel a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 06:25:11PM +0200, waben...@gmail.com wrote: Fernando Rodriguez frodriguez.develo...@outlook.com wrote: I wrote a long reply to this and it appears to have been swallowed by /dev/null. I have read it, so it

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT]: Optimal formatting a SDcard (64GB) with partions of diffent sizes and filesystems?

2015-08-07 Thread Mick
On Friday 07 Aug 2015 04:27:15 Fernando Rodriguez wrote: On Thursday, August 06, 2015 6:18:59 PM meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, for my tablet PC I used a used 32GB FAT32 formatted SDcard. The formatting was already done by the manufacturer. Then I screwed it up and had to do the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-07 Thread Mick
On Friday 07 Aug 2015 19:32:19 Mick wrote: On Friday 07 Aug 2015 15:51:24 James` wrote: Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes: That's what Gentoo did years ago. You could download a DVD with prebuilt binary packages. It meant you could follow the handbook, but without

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT]: Optimal formatting a SDcard (64GB) with partions of diffent sizes and filesystems?

2015-08-07 Thread James
wabenbau at gmail.com writes: If I'm monkeying around with my email config and I'm not sure if everything is still okay, I usually use gmane [1,2]. [1] http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user [2] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user Yep, gmane as a front-end to gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-07 Thread Heiko Baums
Am 07.08.2015 um 00:10 schrieb Rich Freeman: Like I said - if you want to go this route be prepared to tweak half your system to keep it working. Why would I need to tweak half my system? That sounds exactly like those Poetterix fanboys, particularly when they forced systemd on every user of

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT]: Optimal formatting a SDcard (64GB) with partions of diffent sizes and filesystems?

2015-08-07 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Friday, August 07, 2015 7:01:29 PM Mick wrote: On Friday 07 Aug 2015 04:27:15 Fernando Rodriguez wrote: On Thursday, August 06, 2015 6:18:59 PM meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, for my tablet PC I used a used 32GB FAT32 formatted SDcard. The formatting was already done by the

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT]: Optimal formatting a SDcard (64GB) with partions of diffent sizes and filesystems?

2015-08-07 Thread Meino . Cramer
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com [15-08-07 20:04]: On Friday 07 Aug 2015 04:27:15 Fernando Rodriguez wrote: On Thursday, August 06, 2015 6:18:59 PM meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, for my tablet PC I used a used 32GB FAT32 formatted SDcard. The formatting was already done by the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: minimal installation CD iso is where?,

2015-08-07 Thread Heiko Baums
Am 07.08.2015 um 21:46 schrieb Heiko Baums: That has nothing to do with eudev or anything else. So if you don't want to have a systemd-free system Typo: Should obviously be without the don't.

Re: [gentoo-user] Installing BTRFS on MBR with OpenRC

2015-08-07 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 7:39 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote: Yes, I remember about your rescue ISO. I may do the same once I work out how to incorporate my own customisations into it. Maybe that should be the first thing to do. I have a USB stick like that, but it refuses to