[gentoo-user] Linux/Active Directory - Multible Subdomains

2008-01-16 Thread Aiko Barz
Hi,

Question:
Is it possible to create an Active Directory forest with multible
subdomains and make Linux know everything about each Windows domain?

Right now, we have one domain and it is possible to do authentication
against the Active Directory. But now, another department would like to
have its own directory/sub-domain. This means: uid=xyz could be
located on two different directory servers within the Active Directory
forest.

AFAIK, I can only ask one Active Directory server while using LDAP and
this server only knows the people from its own domain. Am I right?

Regards,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Single click is interpreted as double click

2008-01-16 Thread Sascha Hlusiak
Hello,

Am Mittwoch 16 Januar 2008 08:17:52 schrieb Michael Schmarck:
 Hello again!

 On Jan 15, 2008 6:45 PM, Sascha Hlusiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  says which devices are evaluated and added. To keep it short, just
  disable hotplugging in xorg by adding:
 
  Option AutoAddDevices false
 
  to Section ServerFlags. Then good ol' xorg.conf alone is used.

 I did that (see attached files), but that also was of no help :(

 Too bad... :/

 Thanks for the time you spent so far!
(==) |--Input Device USB Maus
(==) The core pointer device wasn't specified explicitly in the layout.
Using the first mouse device.

What if you now change the 
InputDeviceUSB Maus SendCoreEvents
to
InputDeviceUSB Maus CorePointer
?


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[gentoo-user] [SOLVED] Re: Single click is interpreted as double click

2008-01-16 Thread Michael Schmarck


Sascha Hlusiak wrote:
 
 
 What if you now change the 
   InputDeviceUSB Maus SendCoreEvents
 to
   InputDeviceUSB Maus CorePointer
 ?
 

YEAH!

That solved it. I can now single click again.

Most excellent.

Thanks a lot!

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[gentoo-user] Sending IMs from a script

2008-01-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
I would have thought this was easy, but I've looked around and can't find
a program that will send IMs from a script. I need to be able to send
alerts to people from a monitoring program.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Sending IMs from a script

2008-01-16 Thread Ricardo Saffi Marques
This is what I know from past resources of ICQ, at least: even if someone is
not on your contact list, you can send and e-mail to something like UIN@
SOMETHING.icq.com and the message will arrive to that user.
For other protocols, I don't even know how to help you.
Hmm, when you install pidgin, it also installs a text-based IM software, for
you to use from a console. Maybe you should take a look at that.

Regards,

Saffi

On 1/16/08, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I would have thought this was easy, but I've looked around and can't find
 a program that will send IMs from a script. I need to be able to send
 alerts to people from a monitoring program.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Sending IMs from a script

2008-01-16 Thread Michal 'vorner' Vaner
Hello

On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 10:04:31AM +, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 I would have thought this was easy, but I've looked around and can't find
 a program that will send IMs from a script. I need to be able to send
 alerts to people from a monitoring program.

I have a solution for you (thought I do not know how this is related to
gentoo). Look at http://vorner.pretel.cz/en/projects.html#jelnet -- it's
a jabber telnet, you can let it connect to server and pipe some raw
protocol into it.

So you need something like:

jeltet [EMAIL PROTECTED] --password=password END
message to='[EMAIL PROTECTED]' type='headline'
subjectNotification/subject
bodyThis is your notification/body
/message
END

It has a disadvantage -- it logs in, sends a message and logs out every
time you send a notification. If you want to send from time to time, it
is no problem, but with a notification every minute or so, it can be an
issue. (Then you might need some fifo, cat,  and tricks like that)

I hope this helps.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Sending IMs from a script

2008-01-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:35:26 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:

 use perl or die();

I think I'd prefer the latter option :(


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Re: [gentoo-user] Sending IMs from a script

2008-01-16 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Neil Bothwick:

 I would have thought this was easy, but I've looked around and can't find
 a program that will send IMs from a script. I need to be able to send
 alerts to people from a monitoring program.

use perl or die();

You could try searching http://search.cpan.org for your IM protocol and find 
a module that fits.

Bye...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing via GRML

2008-01-16 Thread Iain Buchanan

On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 07:59 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
 Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck:
 
  Nice thing about genkernel (and other such tools in other distributions)
  is, that they also create an initrd.
 
 Even though most users don't need one. There are only two cases where one 
 needs an initrd/initramfs:
 
 1) Your / fs is encrypted and/or located on a logical volume or soft raid 
 device.
 
 2) You need a propietary driver module for getting at your / fs.

what about making a nice flash splash?!  I think you need an initrd for
that too.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing via GRML

2008-01-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:27:11 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:

 what about making a nice flash splash?!  I think you need an initrd for
 that too.

Yes, but you don't need genkernel, or even mkinitrd for that. If your
initrd only contains the splash image and tools, splashutils can create
it for you.


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Re: [gentoo-user] [konqueror] Can't invoke and editor when `view source'

2008-01-16 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 16 January 2008, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
 Open webpage

 right click

 open with...

 choose kate or any other editor.

Don't know the first thing about emacs, but it may need bringing up a terminal 
first which in turn runs emacs.  You may want to try selecting the Run in 
terminal or invoke it like so:

xterm -e /usr/bin/emacs

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Re: [gentoo-user] DNAT not working

2008-01-16 Thread Mick
On Sunday 13 January 2008, Konstantinos Agouros wrote:
 Hi,

 I have a box running vmware server where I need some DNAT rules to get
 traffic from a vm to where it belongs. Inserting the rule
 iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -s ... -d ... -p tcp --dport ... -j DNAT
 --to-destination destaddr

 gives me:

 iptables: No chain/target/match by that name

before --dport you may need the match option:  -m --dport 1234 -j DNAT 

You might also need to specify a policy for PREROUTING before inserting the 
rule (but I'm not sure).  Try these suggestions one at a time and see what 
gives.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing via GRML

2008-01-16 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Iain Buchanan:
 On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 07:59 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
  Am Dienstag, 15. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Michael Schmarck:
   Nice thing about genkernel (and other such tools in other
   distributions) is, that they also create an initrd.
 
  Even though most users don't need one. There are only two cases where
  one needs an initrd/initramfs:
 
  1) Your / fs is encrypted and/or located on a logical volume or soft
  raid device.
 
  2) You need a propietary driver module for getting at your / fs.

 what about making a nice flash splash?!  I think you need an initrd for
 that too.

Nobody really needs this, it's just eyecandy. Doesn't count :-)

Bye...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Routing problem ?

2008-01-16 Thread Mick
On Sunday 13 January 2008, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote:
 Hi,

 On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:42:56 +0530

 Holla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  One thing, I cannot understand is the difference in traceroute
  results. What does this say in plain english ? :-)
 
  At PC2
   # traceroute  218.248.240.46  (ISP's DNS server)
  traceroute to 218.248.240.46 (218.248.240.46), 30 hops max, 40 byte
  packets 1  192.168.2.43 (192.168.2.43)  1.730 ms  0.840 ms  0.920 ms
   2  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  1.440 ms  1.469 ms  1.287 ms
   3  * * *
   4  * * *
 
  At PC1
 
   # traceroute  218.248.240.46
  traceroute to 218.248.240.46 (218.248.240.46), 30 hops max, 40 byte
  packets 1  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  0.848 ms  0.706 ms  0.681 ms
   2  117.192.128.1 (117.192.128.1)  19.712 ms  18.878 ms  19.920 ms
   3  218.248.160.134 (218.248.160.134)  19.292 ms  19.796 ms  19.190 ms

 I'd say your router (Router1) isn't doing NAT for packets from other
 subnets than it's LAN interface is configured for -- regardless of the
 (correctly) configured internal additional route.

 So your option would be to set up PC1 for doing NAT, not necessarily
 for packets 192.168.2/24-192.168.1/24, but for all packets from
 192.168.2/24 going to the internet.

 Your provider most likely does not have anything to do with all this.

I agree that this is not related to the ISP.  What you probably need to do is 
set up RIP2 in your router 1, to be able to recognise other subdomains 
(192.168.2.XXX).  Then it'll process packets coming from that subdomain.  The 
router manual ought to help you out on setting this up.
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Re: [gentoo-user] DNAT not working

2008-01-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 16 January 2008, Mick wrote:
 On Sunday 13 January 2008, Konstantinos Agouros wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I have a box running vmware server where I need some DNAT rules to
  get traffic from a vm to where it belongs. Inserting the rule
  iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -s ... -d ... -p tcp --dport ... -j
  DNAT --to-destination destaddr
 
  gives me:
 
  iptables: No chain/target/match by that name

 before --dport you may need the match option:  -m --dport 1234 -j
 DNAT 

no, his syntax is OK

 You might also need to specify a policy for PREROUTING before
 inserting the rule (but I'm not sure).  Try these suggestions one at
 a time and see what gives.

That doesn't matter, a chain always has a policy (ACCEPT by default).

Most likely he doesn't have the correct module loaded int he kernel


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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing via GRML

2008-01-16 Thread Iain Buchanan

On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 13:15 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
 Am Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2008 schrieb ext Iain Buchanan:

  what about making a nice flash splash?!  I think you need an initrd for
  that too.
 
 Nobody really needs this, it's just eyecandy. Doesn't count :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] DNAT not working

2008-01-16 Thread Konstantinos Agouros
In [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan McKinnon) writes:

On Wednesday 16 January 2008, Mick wrote:
 On Sunday 13 January 2008, Konstantinos Agouros wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I have a box running vmware server where I need some DNAT rules to
  get traffic from a vm to where it belongs. Inserting the rule
  iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -s ... -d ... -p tcp --dport ... -j
  DNAT --to-destination destaddr
 
  gives me:
 
  iptables: No chain/target/match by that name

 before --dport you may need the match option:  -m --dport 1234 -j
 DNAT 

no, his syntax is OK

 You might also need to specify a policy for PREROUTING before
 inserting the rule (but I'm not sure).  Try these suggestions one at
 a time and see what gives.

That doesn't matter, a chain always has a policy (ACCEPT by default).

Most likely he doesn't have the correct module loaded int he kernel
As I said, the fact that iptables -L (after a fresh reboot) does not do
anything puzzles me a bit. What would be the right module in Your opinion?
Also is there a kernel configuration option I might have overseen?

Regards,

Konstantin


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Re: [gentoo-user] Sending IMs from a script

2008-01-16 Thread Robert Cernansky
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:04:31 + Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I would have thought this was easy, but I've looked around and can't
 find a program that will send IMs from a script. I need to be able
 to send alerts to people from a monitoring program.

For jabber solution, emerge dev-python/xmpppy and then use this
script: http://xmpppy.sourceforge.net/examples/xsend.py to send
messages.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Sending IMs from a script

2008-01-16 Thread David Lindquist
On Jan 16, 2008 2:19 AM, Ricardo Saffi Marques [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hmm, when you install pidgin, it also installs a text-based IM software, for
 you to use from a console. Maybe you should take a look at that.

Pidgin's dbus interface can be used to send IM messages.  The
purple-remote python script that installs with Pidgin can send IMs
from the command line via the goim command.

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[gentoo-user] /var/lib/init.d/depcache: line 2777: config: command not found

2008-01-16 Thread Mark Knecht
I am updating MythTV on my server. Starting and stopping mythbackend I
see the following:

dragonfly ~ # /etc/init.d/mythbackend start
 * Caching service dependencies ...
/var/lib/init.d/depcache: line 2777: config: command not found
/var/lib/init.d/depcache: line 2871: config: command not found
[ ok ]
 * Starting MythTV Backend ...
[ ok ]
dragonfly ~ #

Checking out /var/lib/init.d/depcache I find the lines it's
complaining about have this:

2777:
config /etc/exports

2871:
config /etc/fstab

What is 'config' and how do I fix this?

Thanks,
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[gentoo-user] Touchpad in absolute mode

2008-01-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
Hi all,

I haven't seen this one before. My touchpad mouse works normally, until 
I lift my finger and place it somewhere else. Normally, the pointer 
would stay where it is and only move when my finger moves. What happens 
now is my I touch the pad, the pointer moves to a point on the screen 
corresponding to where I touch the pad. Touch pad on left edge, pointer 
moves to left edge of screen, then reacts normally to finger moving 
again. The stick mouse works fine.

I get the same result without an xorg.conf, just letting xorg figure 
stuff out for itself.

xorg-server-1.4.0.90
USE=dri hal input_devices_evdev input_devices_keyboard 
input_devices_mouse input_devices_synaptics input_devices_vmmouse 
kdrive sdl video_cards_i810 video_cards_vesa video_cards_vga 
video_cards_vmware xorg

x11-drivers/synaptics-0.14.6-r1

xorg.conf (irrelavant sections snipped)
Section ServerLayout
Identifier X.org Configured
Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer
InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard
EndSection

Section InputDevice
Identifier  Mouse0
Driver  mouse
Option  Protocol auto
Option  Device /dev/input/mice
Option  ZAxisMapping 4 5
EndSection


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Re: [gentoo-user] /var/lib/init.d/depcache: line 2777: config: command not found

2008-01-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:40:16 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:

 dragonfly ~ # /etc/init.d/mythbackend start
  * Caching service dependencies ...
 /var/lib/init.d/depcache: line 2777: config: command not found
 /var/lib/init.d/depcache: line 2871: config: command not found
 [ ok ]
  * Starting MythTV Backend ...
 [ ok ]

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=203906

It's harmless, but will go away with a baselayout update.

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Re: [gentoo-user] DNAT not working

2008-01-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 16 January 2008, Konstantinos Agouros wrote:
 In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan McKinnon) writes:

 Most likely he doesn't have the correct module loaded int he kernel

 As I said, the fact that iptables -L (after a fresh reboot) does not
 do anything puzzles me a bit. What would be the right module in Your
 opinion? Also is there a kernel configuration option I might have
 overseen?

nat needs the following config at least:

Networking - Networking Options - Network packet filtering framework 
(Netfilter) - IP: Netfilter Configuration - Full NAT

and the options below it

the modules that load on my machine after running that same iptbales 
command are:

xt_tcpudp   3712  1
iptable_nat 7812  1
nf_nat 20524  1 iptable_nat
nf_conntrack_ipv4  18952  2 iptable_nat
nf_conntrack   66376  3 iptable_nat,nf_nat,nf_conntrack_ipv4
nfnetlink   6424  3 nf_nat,nf_conntrack_ipv4,nf_conntrack
ip_tables  14284  1 iptable_nat
x_tables   15748  3 xt_tcpudp,iptable_nat,ip_tables


alan

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Re: [gentoo-user] /var/lib/init.d/depcache: line 2777: config: command not found

2008-01-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 16 January 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:40:16 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
  dragonfly ~ # /etc/init.d/mythbackend start
   * Caching service dependencies ...
  /var/lib/init.d/depcache: line 2777: config: command not found
  /var/lib/init.d/depcache: line 2871: config: command not found
  [ ok ]
   * Starting MythTV Backend ...
  [ ok ]

 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=203906

 It's harmless, but will go away with a baselayout update.

I take it that's a still-to-be-released update?

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Re: [gentoo-user] /var/lib/init.d/depcache: line 2777: config: command not found

2008-01-16 Thread Mark Knecht
On Jan 16, 2008 10:43 AM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wednesday 16 January 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
  On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:40:16 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
   dragonfly ~ # /etc/init.d/mythbackend start
* Caching service dependencies ...
   /var/lib/init.d/depcache: line 2777: config: command not found
   /var/lib/init.d/depcache: line 2871: config: command not found
   [ ok ]
* Starting MythTV Backend ...
   [ ok ]
 
  http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=203906
 
  It's harmless, but will go away with a baselayout update.

 I take it that's a still-to-be-released update?


Thanks all.

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[gentoo-user] Re: [konqueror] Can't invoke and editor when `view source'

2008-01-16 Thread reader
Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Don't know the first thing about emacs, but it may need bringing up
 a terminal first which in turn runs emacs.  You may want to try
 selecting the Run in terminal or invoke it like so:

 xterm -e /usr/bin/emacs

This should not be a factor with X enabled emacs.  And in fact calling
emacs at a cmd prompt just brigs up emacs in it own window, not
another xterm.

However, and surprisingly it does work... Inserting the xterm -e
command  at: 
   right click/ open with/ other

Brings first an xterm which immediately spawns a new emacs window (not
in the xterm but on its own)

I'm pretty sure this is not what SHOULD happen though.  I SHOULD be
able to just insert /usr/bin/emacs  since it does not run in an
xterm. But... thanks .. at least I can edit a page with emacs now.

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[gentoo-user] Re: [konqueror] Can't invoke and editor when `view source'

2008-01-16 Thread reader
Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Open webpage

 right click

 open with...

 choose kate or any other editor.

Well that is at least progress... I can get kate and kwrite to appear
but still not emacs.  I just get the emacs icon bouncing until it
times out.

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Re: [gentoo-user] DNAT not working

2008-01-16 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Wednesday 16 January 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:

 nat needs the following config at least:

 Networking - Networking Options - Network packet filtering framework
 (Netfilter) - IP: Netfilter Configuration - Full NAT

 and the options below it

I guess it also needs some kind of connection tracking, like 
NF_CONNTRACK_ENABLED:

Networking - Networking Options - Network packet filtering framework
(Netfilter) - Core Netfilter Configuration - Netfilter connection 
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[gentoo-user] Re: Installing via GRML

2008-01-16 Thread reader
Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  `Release grml 1.1-rc1 - Codename Skunk'
 
 Unless you want to use the baloney bit torrent download 

 What's baloney about a bittorrent download? It's a good way to save
 on bandwidth for the one, who offers a download. It's also not more
 insecure than a plain old http or ftp download - in the contrary,
 it's at least as secure.

Sorry that was a pretty dumb thing to say... I do think its baloney
but saying that guaranteed someone would be rubbed the wrong way.  Not
a smart move in a request for help...

To me, bitorrent is just more piddling around.  You have to install
something extra (don't you?) to use it.  Its not fast at all.  For the
kind of size we are talking a dsl connection should handle normal ftp
or any http download in a matter of a few minutes.  I pay for dsl
exactly so I don't need to mess around with downloads...

I guess I assumed someone offering such a download would have the
necessary bandwidth.

I wasn't concerned at all about security.  

Not to put too fine a point on it but:
Plain old ftp should be all I need for something like that download.

 it appears 
 none of the servers listed have that version.

 That might have been the case 5 hours ago, but right now, already
 the 1st server has it.

Yes, at least one there has it now thanks

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Re: [gentoo-user] /var/lib/init.d/depcache: line 2777: config: command not found

2008-01-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:43:45 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

  http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=203906
 
  It's harmless, but will go away with a baselayout update.  
 
 I take it that's a still-to-be-released update?

It's in 1.12.11 AFAIK, not in stable yet.

I know I haven't seen the message for a couple of days.


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[gentoo-user] Video Network Stream from Pipe

2008-01-16 Thread Florian Philipp
Hi!

I'm currently trying to set up a personal video recorder in form of a
headless server using mencoder and freevo.

What I would like to do is watching the movie while mencoder is realtime
encoding it to x264/vorbis in a Matroska container.
I already tried it using sshfs. Unfortunately, the file is only read up
to the point where it ended when playing it started.
I don't know if NFS would behave better.

Well, what I thought about was doing it like this:

#!/bin/bash
mencoder [...] -o - | tee video.mkv | stream-app

So far it should work and vlc would be the natural choice for the
streaming app. However, vlc seems unable to read from a pipe so I need
something else.

Can anyone give me a tip? maybe I missed an option in vlc or can someone
propose an app that can be used instead?

By the way: It's a 100MBit ethernet network without any switches or
hubs. The machines are right next to each other.
I hope it will be a 400 or even 500MBit net soon, but that's another
topic ...
 


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[gentoo-user] CFLAGS

2008-01-16 Thread Cahn Roger

Hi,

I'll have soon a new PC with  Processor
Intel Core2 Duo E6850
Which cflags do I need for it?
Thank you very much.
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Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS

2008-01-16 Thread Kenneth Prugh
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:48:21 +0100
Cahn Roger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I'll have soon a new PC with  Processor
 Intel Core2 Duo E6850
 Which cflags do I need for it?
 Thank you very much.
 Roger

CFLAGS=-O2 -march=nocona -pipe

should do it if your running stable AMD64. If you happened to use
gcc-4.2 or later on AMD64 you could do something like this:

CFLAGS=-O2 -march=native -mtune=native -pipe

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [konqueror] Can't invoke and editor when `view source'

2008-01-16 Thread Håkon Alstadheim

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  

Don't know the first thing about emacs, but it may need bringing up
a terminal first which in turn runs emacs.  You may want to try
selecting the Run in terminal or invoke it like so:

xterm -e /usr/bin/emacs



This should not be a factor with X enabled emacs.  And in fact calling
emacs at a cmd prompt just brigs up emacs in it own window, not
another xterm.

However, and surprisingly it does work... Inserting the xterm -e
command  at: 
   right click/ open with/ other


Brings first an xterm which immediately spawns a new emacs window (not
in the xterm but on its own)

I'm pretty sure this is not what SHOULD happen though.  I SHOULD be
able to just insert /usr/bin/emacs  since it does not run in an
xterm. But... thanks .. at least I can edit a page with emacs now.

  
I have this same problem on some machines. Notably the ones where I've 
put the most cruft in .emacs. I suspect that there is some bug that 
stops garbage-collection from happening during startup so emacs runs out 
of memory. Somehow having a tty attached works around that. A way to 
test is to launch emacs in the background from a terminal (with  at the 
end). If emacs hangs, I do fg in the shell  and hit enter a couple of 
times and emacs will (sometimes) continue its initialization process.


A better work-around than firing off emacs in the foreground is to make 
more of your .emacs do AUTOLOAD rather than REQUIRE or LOAD.


Better yet is to have emacs-server or gnuserv running, and putting 
emacsclient/gnuclient in the browser editor-config.




Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS

2008-01-16 Thread Michal 'vorner' Vaner
Hello

On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 02:54:42PM -0500, Kenneth Prugh wrote:
 CFLAGS=-O2 -march=native -mtune=native -pipe

Could this happen a default in clean installation/manual sometime? Most
people could leave this lake it is and never think about what flags to
use.

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Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS

2008-01-16 Thread Kenneth Prugh
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:04:11 +0100
Michal 'vorner' Vaner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello
 
 On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 02:54:42PM -0500, Kenneth Prugh wrote:
  CFLAGS=-O2 -march=native -mtune=native -pipe
 
 Could this happen a default in clean installation/manual sometime?
 Most people could leave this lake it is and never think about what
 flags to use.
 

I suppose if gcc 4.2 ever goes stable it could... Or if you
tell people to keyword gcc right away to 4.2 and emerge it, change the
cflags to native, then emerge -e world it would. (Not very ideal and
it's time consuming...)

(I could be wrong though...)

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Re: [gentoo-user] CFLAGS

2008-01-16 Thread Benedikt Morbach
On 1/16/08, Kenneth Prugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 CFLAGS=-O2 -march=native -mtune=native -pipe

CFLAGS=-O2 -march=native -pipe
would be sufficient.

On my system, it gives me (I have a core 2 duo)
CFLAGS=-O2 -march=nocona -mtune=generic -pipe
while with gcc-4.3, I get
CFLAGS=-O2 -march=core2 -mtune=core2 -pipe

So -march=native handles both, -march and -mtune
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Re: [gentoo-user] Video Network Stream from Pipe

2008-01-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:29:35 +0100, Florian Philipp wrote:

 #!/bin/bash
 mencoder [...] -o - | tee video.mkv | stream-app
 
 So far it should work and vlc would be the natural choice for the
 streaming app. However, vlc seems unable to read from a pipe so I need
 something else.

What about using a fifo, can vlc handle that?

mkfifo mystream
mencoder [...] -o - | tee video.mkv mystream 
streamapp mystream


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Re: [gentoo-user] Routing problem ?

2008-01-16 Thread kashani

Mick wrote:

I agree that this is not related to the ISP.  What you probably need to do is 
set up RIP2 in your router 1, to be able to recognize other subdomains 
(192.168.2.XXX).  Then it'll process packets coming from that subdomain.  The 
router manual ought to help you out on setting this up.


grumpy network engineer
Sure let's make something simple really complicated. And sucky.
/

	Is there some sort of dynamic routing happening on this network? 
Different possible paths to get to machines? Links we might want to 
balance traffic over? Other routers sending route updates? If not, then 
why would we want the added complexity of a routing protocol? There are 
all of two routes on this network and they never change. Static routing 
is the right choice and functionally no different than if the route had 
been inserted via a routing protocol.


	No routing protocol will make router1 NAT addresses it doesn't want to. 
Adding that subnet to the NAT list will, but that is outside the routing 
table or it would have already worked.


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[gentoo-user] Re: [konqueror] Can't invoke and editor when `view source'

2008-01-16 Thread reader
Håkon Alstadheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I have this same problem on some machines. Notably the ones where I've
 put the most cruft in .emacs. I suspect that there is some bug that
 stops garbage-collection from happening during startup so emacs runs
 out of memory. Somehow having a tty attached works around that. A way
 to test is to launch emacs in the background from a terminal (with 
 at the end). If emacs hangs, I do fg in the shell  and hit enter a
 couple of times and emacs will (sometimes) continue its initialization
 process.

Here emacs starts immediately with emacs 


 A better work-around than firing off emacs in the foreground is to
 make more of your .emacs do AUTOLOAD rather than REQUIRE or LOAD.

There must be more to it since mine doesn't hang at all started
outside of Konq.

 Better yet is to have emacs-server or gnuserv running, and putting
 emacsclient/gnuclient in the browser editor-config.

This may be the best... I see that as one of the options in the
Konqueror dialog.  But I've never really messed around with
gnuclient.  Well rather, once years ago I tried it and never really
found it very usefull, or had trouble keeping it running smoothly
maybe.  I don't recall anymore just recall an urge not to mess
with it...

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[gentoo-user] Re: [konqueror] Can't invoke and editor when `view source'

2008-01-16 Thread reader
Håkon Alstadheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   
 Don't know the first thing about emacs, but it may need bringing up
 a terminal first which in turn runs emacs.  You may want to try
 selecting the Run in terminal or invoke it like so:

 xterm -e /usr/bin/emacs
 

 This should not be a factor with X enabled emacs.  And in fact calling
 emacs at a cmd prompt just brigs up emacs in it own window, not
 another xterm.

 However, and surprisingly it does work... Inserting the xterm -e
 command  at:right click/ open with/ other

 Brings first an xterm which immediately spawns a new emacs window (not
 in the xterm but on its own)

 I'm pretty sure this is not what SHOULD happen though.  I SHOULD be
 able to just insert /usr/bin/emacs  since it does not run in an
 xterm. But... thanks .. at least I can edit a page with emacs now.

   
 I have this same problem on some machines. Notably the ones where I've
 put the most cruft in .emacs. I suspect that there is some bug that
 stops garbage-collection from happening during startup so emacs runs
 out of memory. Somehow having a tty attached works around that. 

A little more on this.  Do you mean it works just fine on some
machines as well?

Something to test your theory... (I tried it here with no better
results) is from Konq, right click/open with/other  and put /usr/bin/emacs -Q

Which will start emacs with no site-file or ~/.emacs being loaded.
I tried that here but still just got the bouncing emacs icon/cursor.

Can you start emacs without problems from konqueror at right
click/open with/  on any machine? I mean without `xterm -e emacs'




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[gentoo-user] enscript

2008-01-16 Thread Jorge Almeida
The  --highlight option (formerly known as --pretty-print) of enscript
seems just broken (both in my gentoo box and in a FC box):

$ enscript -o foo.ps --highlight=perl foo.pl
enscript: unknown special escape:

Anyone knows something about this? I hope it doesn't mean enscript is
dying. Couldn't find a hint in Google...

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[gentoo-user] [OT] Online bookmark keeper with good merge routine

2008-01-16 Thread reader
Sorry to pop up something so far off topic but hard to get answers that
aren't pretty far from what you are after on other forums at times.

I've been using sitebar as my online bookmark keeper for quite a while
but seem to have trouble merging in new bookmarks from multiple
machines ... what is supposed to be a merge turns into a replace
operation or so it seems .. but not always.

So, I'm looking for a similar setup but more reliable.

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Re: [gentoo-user] /var/lib/init.d/depcache: line 2777: config: command not found

2008-01-16 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 16 January 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:43:45 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
   http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=203906
  
   It's harmless, but will go away with a baselayout update.
 
  I take it that's a still-to-be-released update?

 It's in 1.12.11 AFAIK, not in stable yet.

 I know I haven't seen the message for a couple of days.

That explains it - haven't sync'ed in a few days :-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Touchpad in absolute mode

2008-01-16 Thread Sascha Hlusiak
Am Mittwoch 16 Januar 2008 18:13:22 schrieb Alan McKinnon:
 Hi all,

 I haven't seen this one before. My touchpad mouse works normally, until
 I lift my finger and place it somewhere else. Normally, the pointer
 would stay where it is and only move when my finger moves. What happens
 now is my I touch the pad, the pointer moves to a point on the screen
 corresponding to where I touch the pad. Touch pad on left edge, pointer
 moves to left edge of screen, then reacts normally to finger moving
 again. The stick mouse works fine.

 I get the same result without an xorg.conf, just letting xorg figure
 stuff out for itself.
Stuff is figured out itself now anyway. :-S

You have hal-0.5.10 installed and compiled xorg-server with hal. Now hal will 
scan the attached devices and hotplug available mice. The touchpad is 
recognized as a mouse and the evdev driver is loaded with uses absolute 
mode since the device emits absolute coordinates. 
These devices are even added when you already have a mouse input device in the 
xorg.conf, thus giving you a lot of mice that use the same data (some guys 
report double clicks on single clicks, keymaps changed, the touchpad does not 
work right anymore). 

Put
Option AutoAddDevices false
in the Section Serverflags and xorg will stop to hotplug mice. 
Or add a custom policy file in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ to add the touchpad with 
the synaptics driver instead of evdev.

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[gentoo-user] Is Gentoo on the Sales block?

2008-01-16 Thread James

I only ask because Sun just paid
a billion dollars for MySQL

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/01/16/sun-mysql_1.html

How is it that Open Source is for sale?

GPL?


Is gentoo next?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Sending IMs from a script

2008-01-16 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:02:12 +0100, Robert Cernansky wrote:

 For jabber solution, emerge dev-python/xmpppy and then use this
 script: http://xmpppy.sourceforge.net/examples/xsend.py to send
 messages.

That's perfect, thanks very much.

Thanks for the other responses too, but I'd rather not install a full IM
client on this box.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo on the Sales block?

2008-01-16 Thread kashani

James wrote:

I only ask because Sun just paid
a billion dollars for MySQL

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/01/16/sun-mysql_1.html

How is it that Open Source is for sale?

GPL?


Dual license.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo on the Sales block?

2008-01-16 Thread felix
On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 11:47:04PM +, James wrote:
 
 I only ask because Sun just paid
 a billion dollars for MySQL

Sun paid a billion dollars for the COMPANY which owns the copyright to
MySQL.  Someone controls Gentoo, be it the foundation (which may or
may not actually exist at the moment) or who knows who.  If those
people, or the foundation, want to sell Gentoo, I reckon they could,
but they would get only the name and a few servers.  No doubt everyone
else would merely fork the GPL'd sources and keep on going.

MySQL is also GPL, but most of the development is paid for by the
for-profit company which Sun just bought, so a fork is unlikely.

 How is it that Open Source is for sale?

Open Source is not for sale and was not sold, neither is GPL'd Free
Software.  Someone could no doubt buy some FLOSS copyrights from the
owners, but the GPL'd versions would still be out there and not for
sale; someone who wanted to buy already released sources would have
to buy up every public copy and every copy ever downloaded, and sign
the sellers (if they can even be called that) to promise to wipe
their drives.  They would, literally, have to buy every copy on the
planet, whether on current computers, backups, books, it would not
matter.

You need to read the GPL, the BSD license, the Perl Artistic license,
etc, and stop panicing.  Once released, FLOSS cannot be recalled.  The
copyrights can be bought, but the previously released versions are
still out there under their FLOSS license and could only be recalled
by that massive buyback I described, which could charitably be called
less realistic than a snowball fight in Hell.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo on the Sales block?

2008-01-16 Thread Brian Marshall
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:47:04 + (UTC)
James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I only ask because Sun just paid
 a billion dollars for MySQL
 
 http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/01/16/sun-mysql_1.html
 
 How is it that Open Source is for sale?
MySQL is a company.

 
 Is gentoo next?
Gentoo no longer exists legally, so I wouldn't worry. ;)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Sending IMs from a script

2008-01-16 Thread forgottenwizard
On 23:51 Wed 16 Jan , Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:02:12 +0100, Robert Cernansky wrote:
 
  For jabber solution, emerge dev-python/xmpppy and then use this
  script: http://xmpppy.sourceforge.net/examples/xsend.py to send
  messages.
 
 That's perfect, thanks very much.
 
 Thanks for the other responses too, but I'd rather not install a full IM
 client on this box.
 
 
 -- 
 Neil Bothwick
 
 Bother, said Pooh, as the EEC outlawed his favourite sized honey pot.

Just for refrence, you could use an IRC client connected to bitlbee to
do the same thing, and all you would have to do would learn how to
handle scripting responses into the irc client.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Routing problem ?

2008-01-16 Thread Holla
On Jan 17, 2008 2:40 AM, kashani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mick wrote:

  I agree that this is not related to the ISP.  What you probably need to do 
  is
  set up RIP2 in your router 1, to be able to recognize other subdomains
  (192.168.2.XXX).  Then it'll process packets coming from that subdomain.  
  The
  router manual ought to help you out on setting this up.

 grumpy network engineer
 Sure let's make something simple really complicated. And sucky.
 /

 Is there some sort of dynamic routing happening on this network?
 Different possible paths to get to machines? Links we might want to
 balance traffic over? Other routers sending route updates? If not, then
 why would we want the added complexity of a routing protocol? There are
 all of two routes on this network and they never change. Static routing
 is the right choice and functionally no different than if the route had
 been inserted via a routing protocol.

 No routing protocol will make router1 NAT addresses it doesn't want 
 to.
 Adding that subnet to the NAT list will, but that is outside the routing
 table or it would have already worked.


Well, I had earlier tried enabling the RIP2 option in Router1 but no change
in results.

For the moment I have given up on this configuration. I am now trying
to setup up the network as one segment only 192.168.1.x.. Using
the Router2 in client mode is one option.

Thanks for all the respones..
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [konqueror] Can't invoke and editor when `view source'

2008-01-16 Thread Håkon Alstadheim

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Håkon Alstadheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  

Don't know the first thing about emacs, but it may need bringing up
a terminal first which in turn runs emacs.  You may want to try
selecting the Run in terminal or invoke it like so:

xterm -e /usr/bin/emacs



This should not be a factor with X enabled emacs.  And in fact calling
emacs at a cmd prompt just brigs up emacs in it own window, not
another xterm.

However, and surprisingly it does work... Inserting the xterm -e
command  at:right click/ open with/ other

Brings first an xterm which immediately spawns a new emacs window (not
in the xterm but on its own)

I'm pretty sure this is not what SHOULD happen though.  I SHOULD be
able to just insert /usr/bin/emacs  since it does not run in an
xterm. But... thanks .. at least I can edit a page with emacs now.

  
  

I have this same problem on some machines. Notably the ones where I've
put the most cruft in .emacs. I suspect that there is some bug that
stops garbage-collection from happening during startup so emacs runs
out of memory. Somehow having a tty attached works around that. 



A little more on this.  Do you mean it works just fine on some
machines as well?

Something to test your theory... (I tried it here with no better
results) is from Konq, right click/open with/other  and put /usr/bin/emacs -Q

Which will start emacs with no site-file or ~/.emacs being loaded.
I tried that here but still just got the bouncing emacs icon/cursor.

Can you start emacs without problems from konqueror at right
click/open with/  on any machine? I mean without `xterm -e emacs'


  
Not running konqueror here, but yes, emacs would fire up quite reliably 
when I had it as my source editor in mozilla, way back when. You most 
definitely SHOULD be able to run it without a terminal window. If you 
are really keen on getting this to work, you could write a little script 
like so to use as your editor: 

#!/bin/bash
date ~/emacs.log
emacs $@ ~/emacs.log 21
---
Come to think of it (while looking up the $@ semantics), could it be 
that the argument fed from konqueror has spaces in it? Maybe it needs 
quoting?


Experiment with adding /dev/null onto there (that never did it for me). 
Have a look at what the log says.



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Re: [gentoo-user] Sending IMs from a script

2008-01-16 Thread Anthony E. Caudel
Neil Bothwick wrote:
 I would have thought this was easy, but I've looked around and can't find
 a program that will send IMs from a script. I need to be able to send
 alerts to people from a monitoring program.


   
An alternate way to send alerts is to send an email to their mobile phone.

Tony

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[gentoo-user] Re: [konqueror] Can't invoke and editor when `view source'

2008-01-16 Thread reader
Håkon Alstadheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Can you start emacs without problems from konqueror at right
 click/open with/  on any machine? I mean without `xterm -e emacs'


   
 Not running konqueror here, but yes, emacs would fire up quite
 reliably when I had it as my source editor in mozilla, way back
 when. You most definitely SHOULD be able to run it without a terminal
 window. If you are really keen on getting this to work, you could
 write a little script like so to use as your editor: 
 #!/bin/bash
 date ~/emacs.log
 emacs $@ ~/emacs.log 21

Thanks for the input... that is a good idea, and surprisingly works
fine.  But does not provide the slightest clue why such a work around
is necessary.  Nothing but the date gets written to emacs log.

Apparently for some reason there needs to be a sort of cutout between
Konq and emacs, but not so with kate or kwrite.

 Come to think of it (while looking up the $@ semantics), could it be
 that the argument fed from konqueror has spaces in it? Maybe it needs
 quoting?

I'm not sure how to capture whatever it is that konq is doing.  I
don't think its throwing an error.  But not really sure how to tell
other than looking for .xsessions* file or something else with a kde
error in it.

I think it is just timing out silently.

However it seems it would be almost guaranteed that there would be
spaces in the command `emacs %s' or something similar.

 Experiment with adding /dev/null onto there (that never did it for
 me). Have a look at what the log says.

Just for the record... no soap there.  I'd already tried another
non-promising test, adding the background sign `' which didn't seem
likely to help and as expected, did not.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Is Gentoo on the Sales block?

2008-01-16 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2008-01-17, Brian Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Gentoo no longer exists legally, so I wouldn't worry. ;)

It exists illegally?  

On my computers?

I'm an outlaw!  

This is more exciting that I thought...

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[gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-16 Thread Thufir
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:51:33 +, James wrote:

 You still believe gplv3 is a good thing? I think *GPLv3* is the spawn of
 Satan, and that's the reason most of the kernel devs did not go for that
 *horse hockey*!

I don't think that I was advocating gplv3, certainly that wasn't my 
intent, just that (as a user) I wouldn't want Gentoo to use a BSD (or 
Apache) license.

I think I'll try to refrain from further participation in this thread.  
Sometimes I like to stir things up, but this isn't one of them :(



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[gentoo-user] Re: Is Gentoo on the Sales block?

2008-01-16 Thread Michael Schmarck
James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I only ask because Sun just paid
 a billion dollars for MySQL
 
 http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/01/16/sun-mysql_1.html
 
 How is it that Open Source is for sale?

What do you mean with that? Sun bought MySQL AB, a company
in Sweden (or that's where they originally were located).
Most of the work in the OS MySQL database is sponsored by
MySQL AB.

 GPL?

A license. What about it?

42 °C.

 Is gentoo next?

No. There's nothing you can buy.

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[gentoo-user] Re: What's with this hald thing and why can't I rip CDs any more?

2008-01-16 Thread Thufir
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 00:56:26 -0300, Naiani Rosa de Barros wrote:

 Maybe something got corrupted somehow, or is just outdated.

I've never run across corruption, or AFAIK.  What sort of thing do you 
have in mind?



curious,

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[gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-16 Thread Thufir
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:33:32 +, Qian Qiao wrote:


 What extra do you archieve if you install your Gentoo from a Gentoo
 LiveCD instead of a Knoppix CD? None!
 
 Stop binding you mind to the concept that I have to install a Gentoo
 from a Gentoo CD, it's not true, start looking at a broader
 perspective.

I don't think anyone's making that argument.  What I'm asking, at least, 
is why Gentoo prides itself on having one of the steepest learning curves.

Let's turn this around: if Gentoo were to attract a larger user base I 
posit that this would attract more developers.



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[gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-16 Thread Thufir
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:12:34 +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:

 Is there a place where we can conveniently read this list, and not have
 posting privileges?

 An archive list server or such?


 James
 
 http://marc.info

I prefer:

http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.user/topics

However, I do wish that I could post from there.  There's always gmane :)


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[gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-16 Thread Thufir
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:58:15 -0200, Daniel da Veiga wrote:

 I completely agree with Alan, Gentoo is a metadistro, and it provides
 (by Handbook) a LOT of ways to install,

Ok, but I would like to see all those sabayon users taken into the fold.


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[gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-16 Thread Thufir
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:17:11 +, Qian Qiao wrote:


 I'm sorry this goes OT Dale, but unfortunately, my mail client cannot
 render html messages properly, and I trust a lot of people on the list
 have the same problem. If would be nice if you can post in plain text,
 at least in this list.


Ditto, thanks for saying it.


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[gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-16 Thread Thufir
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:30:07 +0100, Pongracz Istvan wrote:


 So, it is possible to create your own livecd at any time, just start to
 play with catalyst


Not that I want to beat a dead horse, but this doesn't follow for me.  If 
catalyst is so fantastic at creating live cd's, why isn't it used to 
automagically create a new live cd every week?

It's antithetical to Linux, FOSS and Gentoo to have umpteen users doing 
the same process umpteen times instead of doing it once, centrally.  
FWIW, it's more the lack of some kind of anaconda type installer than 
the up-to-dateness of the cd which irks me.


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[gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-16 Thread Thufir
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:07:34 +0100, Galevsky wrote:


 Because I want. It is sufficient for me. Further details ? I would like
 to bring the excitation to burn a Gentoo CD to noobs and people that are
 pleased to get their CD from Gentoo world. And I want a liveCD to make
 live demo in my linux promotional association, to show how easy emerge
 is, how very nicely the rc are handled (not based on naming as debian
 does) and so on...


Which adds more momentum to Gentoo by drawing in more users which 
attracts more developers -- it snowballs.


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