On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:03:39 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
I'm considering the logitech quickcam s5500 webcam - price is under $AU
50, it clips onto a laptop, and it has a mic. Apparently the image is
quite reasonable[1], and it works in linux with luvc.[2]
I have no experience with audio on
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Hi,
I experienced problems with emerge --sync because of a timestamp issue
and followed tha advice I found somewhere on the web to delete the
timestamp.chk file. Now emerge --sync runs fine but it wants to
downgrade a whole bunch of packages. What's
but I think
that will limit me to USB and it's 15-foot cable maximum?
A friend of a friend set up a security system in his house, using USB
cameras, and ran it more than 15 foot! Apparently, you can use a USB-cat5
converter (not ip based, so you can't route it, just uses the twisted pairs)
Hi,
generally there's nothing wrong in downgrading packages and means that the
version you're using has been masked for some reason.
You should check if the version you currently have is masked for your
architecture. If yes emerge is ok and that's a normal behaviour.
You can check that here:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:40:11 -0700, Grant wrote:
I think USB cameras would be the way to go. Does anyone know of a USB
camera that works well with Gentoo?
You can also use standard composite output security cameras, connected to
a TV card with a composite input.
--
Neil Bothwick
Bury a
On 2008-09-16, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From the times I have ran into this, it always wants to
rebuild them until I remove the old version.
I do a fair bit of Python development, and I like to keep
multipel versions around for testing's sake.
No clue why but it worked for me. I agree
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 02:02:32PM +, Penguin Lover Grant Edwards squawked:
No clue why but it worked for me. I agree that after being
recompiled it shouldn't need to do it again but it seems to do
the same on my rig.
That's interesting. Seems like a bug in python-updater.
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:49:36 +0200 (CEST), Vaeth wrote:
It is always better to have a port not open than to rely on a router
to close it apparently.
If you are using NAT on the router, you have to explicitly forward that
port somewhere for it
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:29:16 +0200 (CEST), Vaeth wrote:
If you are using NAT on the router, you have to explicitly forward
that port somewhere for it to work. [...]
Except that this is not completely true: See some of the many articles
in the net which explain why NAT is not a security
On 2008-09-16, Willie Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 02:02:32PM +, Penguin Lover Grant Edwards
squawked:
No clue why but it worked for me. I agree that after being
recompiled it shouldn't need to do it again but it seems to do
the same on my rig.
That's
I would like to provide some patches for the Gentoo documentation. What
is the best way to do this? I can imagine it's something like:
1 Download xml
2 Adjust
3 Create patch
4 Upload to bugzilla
Is this the correct way? And if so what is the best way to download the
xml? Which url should I use?
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 04:05:19PM +, Penguin Lover Grant Edwards squawked:
Can you show the contents of python-updater -vp?
# python-updater -vp
[...]
unrecognised option: -vp
Oops, my bad.
Running python-updater -v -p says this (all packages except
openoffice have been
On 2008-09-16, Willie Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Okay, then, it is not a bug. The packages listed belong to the
PKGS_MANUAL set defined the python-updater. The comment there
says:
packages that should be re-emerged even if they don't fit the
criteria (eg. ones that have pythong
Hi b.n.,
on Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 10:26:56PM +0200, you wrote:
Seriously: can someone more skilled than me explain why using
--resume-skipfirst and then trying to solve the unmerged packages is/can be
a bad idea? How can this break the system?
Frankly I have no idea. I've heard that argument
Hi Vaeth,
on Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 01:34:31AM +0200, you wrote:
The problem is that after failing of a package, portage does
not recalculate the dependencies, i.e. it will attempt to install also
those packages which depend on the failed package.
OIC, so that was what I missed :) Somehow the
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:50:35 +0200, Matthias Bethke wrote:
Seriously: can someone more skilled than me explain why using
--resume-skipfirst and then trying to solve the unmerged packages
is/can be a bad idea? How can this break the system?
Frankly I have no idea. I've heard that
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:29:16 +0200 (CEST), Vaeth wrote:
If you are using NAT on the router, you have to explicitly forward
that port somewhere for it to work. [...]
Except that this is not completely true [...]
So the router maintains a database of current
Hi Neil,
on Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 04:59:39PM +0100, you wrote:
Except that this is not completely true: See some of the many articles
in the net which explain why NAT is not a security feature. A quick
google search gave e.g.
http://www.nexusuk.org/articles/2005/03/12/nat_security/
So
[Resending to list because I sent with the wrong address the first time]
A brief warning to all. Userrel does monitor this list and it does
react to complaints from users.
This list exists for the community; to let users help each other and
to voice questions and concerns.
This list does not
Hi Vaeth,
on Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 07:14:48PM +0200, you wrote:
In addition, the default rsyncd configuration with Gentoo uses a chroot
jail.
Also a chroot jail is not a security feature: There are several ways known
how to break out.
Huh? In the case of NAT it's reasonable to say it's not
Hi,
My computer at home is seriously old already. It has a K6 CPU, an motherboard
with VIA chips (chipset (?) VT82C598), and about 10G total hard disk space
(spread over 2 hd's - can possibly add a 3rd hd, too).
I've been using debian until now, BUT I'm less and less satisfied with that b/c
of
On Sunday 14 September 2008 22:37:21 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Making the 'official' overlay paludis-only was a BIG mistake.
It's not paludis-only, it will work with any package manager whose
developers care enough to support the useful features of the kdebuild-1
EAPI.
and that was
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 19:00:33 Neil Bothwick wrote:
I think you missed an important part of the Gentoo philosophy, that it
gives you the loaded gun but it's up to you to not point it at your foot.
Not providing options that could potentially break a system in certain
circumstances is
Matthias Bethke wrote:
Hi Vaeth, [...]
Also a chroot jail is not a security feature: There are several
ways known how to break out.
[...] But there's only one reason I can see why you'd use a
chroot environment *except* for security and that's to have more than
one set of system
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 19:00:33 Neil Bothwick wrote:
I think you missed an important part of the Gentoo philosophy, that it
gives you the loaded gun but it's up to you to not point it at your foot.
Not providing options that could potentially break a system in
Dale wrote:
My bank runs windoze too. I talked to a techie a couple times and he
Well, my current bank (the one with the bad behaviour) runs
Solaris/Apache. In this particular regard they are good (in my opinion).
said they are running themselves to death. Any American banks that run
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 10:26 -0700, Alec Warner wrote:
[Resending to list because I sent with the wrong address the first time]
A brief warning to all. Userrel does monitor this list and it does
react to complaints from users.
This list exists for the community; to let users help each
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes:
I think USB cameras would be the way to go. Does anyone know of a USB
camera that works well with Gentoo?
Well I thought you were going to transmit (stream) the video acrosss the open
internet. If you do, the bandwidth consumption becomes an
pk wrote:
Dale wrote:
My bank runs windoze too. I talked to a techie a couple times and he
Well, my current bank (the one with the bad behaviour) runs
Solaris/Apache. In this particular regard they are good (in my opinion).
Well at least they have a good OS. Just need to fix the service
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 19:33:28 Liebich, Wolfgang wrote:
Hi,
My computer at home is seriously old already. It has a K6 CPU, an
motherboard with VIA chips (chipset (?) VT82C598), and about 10G total hard
disk space (spread over 2 hd's - can possibly add a 3rd hd, too). I've been
using
Alan McKinnon wrote:
You asked me to do something. It didn't work
But it is an annoyance if you leave your computer on during the three
days you are on the road to compile a load of new packages like e.g.
a new kde version, and when you return, compiling has not even started
because your first
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 19:29:21 Matthias Bethke wrote:
I'd say the vast majority of
chroot jails are there for nothing else but security.
Replace security with warm fuzzy feeling of apparent security that actually
doesn't exist and you're close to the mark. The sole positive of using
Hi Vaeth,
on Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 07:54:43PM +0200, you wrote:
I don't even see why you'd strictly need connection tracking to avoid
attacks made possible by grossly misconfigured ISP routers. Your router
knows that packets with a destination address of 10/8, 192.168/16 and
the like have
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 21:04:59 Vaeth wrote:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
You asked me to do something. It didn't work
But it is an annoyance if you leave your computer on during the three
days you are on the road to compile a load of new packages like e.g.
a new kde version, and when you
Quoting Tomáš Krasničan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi list,
Hi!
is it possible (if is how) to make freeBSD as xen domU on gentoo dom0?
Yes, but AFAIK, it will only run in full virtualization mode; just
like windows.
Maybe (and only _maybe_) there's a way to run it in
paravirtualization,
Am Tuesday 16 September 2008 21:30:55 schrieb Norberto Bensa:
Quoting Tomáš Krasničan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi list,
Hi!
is it possible (if is how) to make freeBSD as xen domU on gentoo dom0?
Yes, but AFAIK, it will only run in full virtualization mode; just
like windows.
No, there are
2008/9/16 Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I didn't say they were.You're never going to convince Volker, but you may
well have succeeded in discouraging others from try Paludis.
On what grounds? The Paludis developers don't like being lied about,
therefore I won't use Paludis? I don't think
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:26:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Since the best solution to this exception is to finish that part of
the task which is not influenced by this error, I think the
expectation for this exception is clear.
Which is not influenced - this is the crucial clause, the
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 21:42:09 David Leverton wrote:
2008/9/16 Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I didn't say they were.You're never going to convince Volker, but you may
well have succeeded in discouraging others from try Paludis.
On what grounds? The Paludis developers don't like
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:42:09 +0100, David Leverton wrote:
I didn't say they were.You're never going to convince Volker, but you
may well have succeeded in discouraging others from try Paludis.
On what grounds? The Paludis developers don't like being lied about,
therefore I won't use
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 21:46:13 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:26:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Since the best solution to this exception is to finish that part of
the task which is not influenced by this error, I think the
expectation for this exception is clear.
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:48:29 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
That's your preference, mine too as it happens, but that's reason to
deny others a different choice.
I'll leave it to you to spot the missing word :(
I swear to $DEITY, the tagline was picked by signify, Who says
software can't make
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 21:04:11 Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
On Sunday 14 September 2008 22:37:21 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Making the 'official' overlay paludis-only was a BIG mistake.
It's not paludis-only, it will work with any package manager whose
developers care enough
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:55:59 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Isn't that exactly what --keep-going does, skips any packages that
depends on the failed package and merge the rest?
Yes, it does. The focus of my post was to highlight that it can be
done, but is best done as an option, not as
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 20:51:43 Alan McKinnon wrote:
That is not for you to decide. The user - ANY user - is free to decide what
software they want to run and under what conditions, free from irrelevant
judgements of suitability from self-appointed arbiters of whatever.
Well, yes, I'm
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 20:54:43 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:42:09 +0100, David Leverton wrote:
I didn't say they were.You're never going to convince Volker, but you
may well have succeeded in discouraging others from try Paludis.
On what grounds?
Because you
I don't think it was ever discussed as anything but an option, but I
could be even more confused than you...
Looks like the disease is spreading, now your signature script is even
more confused than you ;-)
Good database, though!
-- Remy
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On 16 Sep 2008, at 17:50, Matthias Bethke wrote:
on Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 10:26:56PM +0200, you wrote:
Seriously: can someone more skilled than me explain why using
--resume-skipfirst and then trying to solve the unmerged packages
is/can be
a bad idea? How can this break the system?
David Leverton ha scritto:
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 00:11:30 b.n. wrote:
If it's so, what's the point of bitching with him? You won't change his
mind. So, you're again just wasting bytes.
Because people might believe him if he is allowed to go unchallenged.
Frankly, the more you
Alec Warner ha scritto:
[Resending to list because I sent with the wrong address the first time]
A brief warning to all. Userrel does monitor this list and it does
react to complaints from users.
This list exists for the community; to let users help each other and
to voice questions and
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 22:14:47 b.n. wrote:
Frankly, the more you challenge him this mindless way, the more I
believe him.
If you think in such backwards logic then I don't care who you believe.
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 23:18:50 b.n. wrote:
Treat others kindly and you will often find yourself treated kindly in
return. Treat others with malice and you may find your
gentoo-user privileges (among other privileges) revoked by Gentoo Staff.
I don't know if I've been called into
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:15:38 +0100, David Leverton wrote:
Because your attitude was abrasive and antagonistic.
I trust these people won't be using Linux either, then?
Manners and respect are OS-agnostic.
How you say something can be more influential than what you say.
--
Neil Bothwick
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 22:05:29 Neil Bothwick wrote:
This thread is getting a tad complex, it's getting hard to tell if a
specific post is talking about if --keep-going is even a good idea at
all, or if it should be an option/default...
I don't think it was ever discussed as anything
Hello,
I'm trying to setup virtualbox networking. I went through the tutorial at gentoo
wiki, but I have troubles ... obvious :-(
In the howto there's called /sbin/ip, but I have no idea in which package this
program rise ;-)
What I need is the bidirectional communication between host and
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 22:13:01 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:15:38 +0100, David Leverton wrote:
Because your attitude was abrasive and antagonistic.
I trust these people won't be using Linux either, then?
Manners and respect are OS-agnostic.
Completely not the
At Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:33:27 +0100 David Leverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 22:13:01 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:15:38 +0100, David Leverton wrote:
Because your attitude was abrasive and antagonistic.
I trust these people won't be using Linux
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 22:39:12 Allan Gottlieb wrote:
1. You are not linus.
It's OK for people I like to do this, but not people I don't like?
2. That list is not intended for users, but for developers.
Not even slightly relevant.
3. You are not linus.
See above.
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:05:22 +0100
David Leverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 22:14:47 b.n. wrote:
Frankly, the more you challenge him this mindless way, the more I
believe him.
If you think in such backwards logic then I don't care who you
believe.
It's not
David Leverton ha scritto:
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 22:14:47 b.n. wrote:
Frankly, the more you challenge him this mindless way, the more I
believe him.
If you think in such backwards logic then I don't care who you believe.
It's not backwards logic.
The important words are this
Neil Bothwick ha scritto:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:34:52 +0100, David Leverton wrote:
That was the trigger, not the point. This thread long since ceased to
have any point. All you are achieving is to discourage people from
trying Paludis if this is the kind of hassle associated with it.
My
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 23:18:42 b.n. wrote:
I am not going to do it because of the treatment I'd be reserved by people
like ciaranm, or you, if I only needed help or disagreed with your opinions.
What on Earth makes you think that? Volker is certainly not asking for help,
and he is not
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 22:47:49 »Q« wrote:
It's not backwards logic.
The Paludis developer posts evidence that the liar is lying, therefore I'm
going to believe the liar is entirely backwards.
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 6:13 PM, David Leverton [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 22:47:49 »Q« wrote:
It's not backwards logic.
The Paludis developer posts evidence that the liar is lying, therefore I'm
going to believe the liar is entirely backwards.
What's Paludis?
David Leverton ha scritto:
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 23:18:42 b.n. wrote:
I am not going to do it because of the treatment I'd be reserved by people
like ciaranm, or you, if I only needed help or disagreed with your opinions.
What on Earth makes you think that?
Your behaviour.
The IRC
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 23:53:20 b.n. wrote:
David Leverton ha scritto:
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 23:18:42 b.n. wrote:
I am not going to do it because of the treatment I'd be reserved by
people like ciaranm, or you, if I only needed help or disagreed with
your opinions.
What
Hi Vaeth,
on Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 08:36:28PM +0200, you wrote:
Also a chroot jail is not a security feature: There are several
ways known how to break out.
[...] But there's only one reason I can see why you'd use a
chroot environment *except* for security and that's to have more than
On Wednesday 17 September 2008, David Leverton wrote:
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 22:47:49 »Q« wrote:
It's not backwards logic.
The Paludis developer posts evidence that the liar is lying, therefore I'm
going to believe the liar is entirely backwards.
since you can't stop and fill up may
David Leverton ha scritto:
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 23:53:20 b.n. wrote:
David Leverton ha scritto:
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 23:18:42 b.n. wrote:
I am not going to do it because of the treatment I'd be reserved by
people like ciaranm, or you, if I only needed help or disagreed with
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:40:11 -0700, Grant wrote:
I think USB cameras would be the way to go. Does anyone know of a USB
camera that works well with Gentoo?
You can also use standard composite output security cameras, connected to
a TV card with a composite input.
On Wednesday 17 September 2008 00:10:26 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
I provided evidence.
You provided lies.
You attacked me.
I defended my project against your attacks.
That is the last thing I will post in this thread or as an answer to you.
A likely story.
On Wednesday 17 September 2008 00:27:54 b.n. wrote:
If he *knew* it was idiotic, he *would not* have done it, isn't it?
That's his problem.
Until I will see anti-paludis campaigns in the streets, sorry, it's just
paranoia.
That seems like a rather arbitrary restriction. As you said, most
Quoting Marc Joliet [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
What I need is the bidirectional communication between host and guest.
Sorry, but I can't help you there, though I'm going to sit down and set
that up myself when I have time (this year, I hope ;) ).
I know! I know!! :-)
The following assumes
At Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:47:57 +0100 David Leverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 22:39:12 Allan Gottlieb wrote:
1. You are not linus.
It's OK for people I like to do this, but not people I don't like?
Rather, It is less objectionable for people who have accomplished a
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:42:57 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
You can also use standard composite output security cameras,
connected to a TV card with a composite input.
except that you then have to provide power to the camera as well, and
composite is pretty bad at interference over long
Dale wrote:
But isn't this true of any ISP or email host?
Dale
Not on my server which I run myself. Want to buy domain hosting with
imap-ssl, pop3-ssl, and smpt-ssl (sorry no non ssl user connections)
with no searching or archiving of your mail for $30 a year? :-)
kashani
David Leverton ha scritto:
On Wednesday 17 September 2008 00:27:54 b.n. wrote:
If he *knew* it was idiotic, he *would not* have done it, isn't it?
That's his problem.
No, that's *your* problem now, because you and your accolites now look
like a bunch of arrogant a**holes, instead of
Marc Joliet wrote:
Am Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:25:02 +0200
schrieb pat [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hello,
Hi,
I'm trying to setup virtualbox networking. I went through the
tutorial at gentoo wiki, but I have troubles ... obvious :-(
In the howto there's called /sbin/ip, but I have no idea in
kashani wrote:
Dale wrote:
But isn't this true of any ISP or email host?
Dale
Not on my server which I run myself. Want to buy domain hosting with
imap-ssl, pop3-ssl, and smpt-ssl (sorry no non ssl user connections)
with no searching or archiving of your mail for $30 a year? :-)
kashani
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 20:43:06 Dale wrote:
I have used --skipfirst before but I also don't think it is a good
idea. For a idiot like me to say that must mean something. I guess it
would depend on the package as to whether it could be skipped or not.
If I do a
Quoting Hal Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
What kind of bidirectional communication are you looking for?
OP wants to be able to run services on the guest. AFAIK, the only way
to do that is setting up a bridge.
This message was
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 02:32:54AM -0500, Dale wrote:
For me, I have the following biggies:
Inbox: ~660
Gentoo-dev: ~13,000
Gentoo-user: ~27,000
Kde-linux list: ~3,000
LVM: ~2,200
Hey Dale - just out of curiosity, why do you store mailing lists when
they're all available online?
festus
Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace.net.au writes:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:40:11 -0700, Grant wrote:
I think USB cameras would be the way to go. Does anyone know of a USB
camera that works well with Gentoo?
You can also use standard composite output security
John J. Foster wrote:
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 02:32:54AM -0500, Dale wrote:
For me, I have the following biggies:
Inbox: ~660
Gentoo-dev: ~13,000
Gentoo-user: ~27,000
Kde-linux list: ~3,000
LVM: ~2,200
Hey Dale - just out of curiosity, why do you store mailing lists when
they're
Volker Armin Hemmann a écrit:
and in grub.conf I have this:
title=raid
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/md1 md=1,/dev/sda3,/dev/sdb3 nopat
Did you tried this :
kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/md1 md=1,1,/dev/sda3,/dev/sdb3 nopat
--
Nicolas Sebrecht
On Wednesday 17 September 2008, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
Volker Armin Hemmann a écrit:
and in grub.conf I have this:
title=raid
root (hd0,0)
kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/md1 md=1,/dev/sda3,/dev/sdb3 nopat
Did you tried this :
kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/md1 md=1,1,/dev/sda3,/dev/sdb3 nopat
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 14:25, pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I'm trying to setup virtualbox networking. I went through the tutorial at
gentoo wiki, but I have troubles ... obvious :-(
In the howto there's called /sbin/ip, but I have no idea in which package
this program rise ;-)
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 17:07, Hal Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marc Joliet wrote:
Am Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:25:02 +0200
schrieb pat [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I also installed VirtualBox, however when the Gentoo wiki suggested I edit a
bunch of files in /etc/ I decided to go with the VirtualBox
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