Philip Webb wrote:
081231 darren kirby wrote:
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
I recently stole a Motorola Razr phone which didn't come with manual.
I downloaded it off the Motorola website and was attempting to read,
when Kpdf crashed. It does this
Michael P. Soulier wrote:
So, like a good gentoo user I'm emerging some updates available for my system.
To my surprise when I happen to look at the screen (as it's taking some time
to build and I'm obviously not watching the entire time), I see this:
* * WARNING *
*
* You are
In 200901010423.25783.volker.armin.hemm...@tu-clausthal.de,
Volker Armin Hemmann volker.armin.hemm...@tu-clausthal.de wrote:
That is why you have to go to nvnews first and then upgrade.
Where is nvnews?
I've been going to http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html, selecting
the driver I'm
090101 Dale wrote:
Could it be a font that is missing or corrupt?
It is strange that Kghostview works tho if it is a missing font.
I don't have problems with fonts otherwise.
The version of p 10 shown by KGV doesn't seem to have anything unusual,
but perhaps one of the little graphics is
On Wednesday 31 December 2008 17:36:39 Paul Hartman wrote:
I can't remember the exact reasoning, but I do recall being told it's
normal and that it varies from one system to another, even with the
same hardware. I think it's related to capacitors or voltage regulator
or something like that. (I
Philip Webb wrote:
090101 Dale wrote:
Could it be a font that is missing or corrupt?
It is strange that Kghostview works tho if it is a missing font.
I don't have problems with fonts otherwise.
The version of p 10 shown by KGV doesn't seem to have anything unusual,
but perhaps one
On Thursday 01 January 2009 10:10:08 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
Hi,
HAPPY NEW YEAR ! :O)
I have got a problem while updateing my Gentoo-Linux-box:
Witzh this command:
emerge Net-Daemon PlRPC DBI rxvt-unicode gstreamer e2fsprogs-libs nano
e2fsprogs zynaddsubfx sox boost autounmask cmake
On Thursday 01 January 2009 02:29:15 Stroller wrote:
On 31 Dec 2008, at 23:51, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
Having just been bitten by some of my hardware being abandoned with
the latest
version of a software package I am left to question the entire
philosophy in
gentoo of always running
On Thursday 01 January 2009 02:25:10 Stroller wrote:
On 31 Dec 2008, at 23:33, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
...
Don't you think the default action here should be to do nothing
instead of
breaking my system?
That proposal is ludicrous and completely counter to the Unix
way of doing
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:18:55 -0600, Dale wrote:
It is pretty big so I'll post a link.
http://www.phonedog.com/cell-phone-research/motorola-razr-v3i_user-manual.aspx
Worked OK here with kpdf-3.5.10, but I didn't try every page. an
you confirm which page causes the crash?
This may also be
Alan McKinnon wrote:
emerge's block output is worded confusingly, the exact selection of words can
lead you to believe that you have to do B in order to do A, when actually
it's the other way round. this is because the devs block B in A's ebuild and
also block A in B's ebuild, so that no
On Thursday 01 January 2009 11:02:23 Dale wrote:
I just did a reinstall on my rig and it did the exact same thing. I had
to mask the one it installed and re-emerge the older one that does
work. Isn't there some way for it to pick the right one? After all, it
new it was the WRONG one it was
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:27:48 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Don't you think the default action here should be to do nothing
instead of
breaking my system?
That proposal is ludicrous and completely counter to the Unix
way of doing things.
Not my opinion, just quoting.
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:18:39 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
What happened here is that qt was split into several small package
instead of one huge one. The new is therefore not compatible with the
old and cannot co-exist, so you must unmerge the old version to be able
to put the new ones on the
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 09:10:08 +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
emerge Net-Daemon PlRPC DBI rxvt-unicode gstreamer e2fsprogs-libs nano
e2fsprogs zynaddsubfx sox boost autounmask cmake smplayer kdelibs wxGTK
firehol xulrunner xorg-server vlc
Running this without --oneshot will break your world
090101 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:18:55 -0600, Dale wrote:
It is pretty big so I'll post a link.
http://www.phonedog.com/cell-phone-research/motorola-razr-v3i_user-manual.aspx
Worked OK here with kpdf-3.5.10, but I didn't try every page.
Can you confirm which page causes the
090101 Dale wrote:
Philip Webb wrote:
One further idea is to see what happens
if you try to open it with Open Office 3 , which claims to input PDF.
I have OOo3 here and it said it was a 13,000 page document
and it was full of garbage at that.
That didn't work or I did something wrong one.
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:18:55 -0600, Dale wrote:
It is pretty big so I'll post a link.
http://www.phonedog.com/cell-phone-research/motorola-razr-v3i_user-manual.aspx
Worked OK here with kpdf-3.5.10, but I didn't try every page. an
you confirm which page
Philip Webb wrote:
090101 Dale wrote:
Philip Webb wrote:
One further idea is to see what happens
if you try to open it with Open Office 3 , which claims to input PDF.
I have OOo3 here and it said it was a 13,000 page document
and it was full of garbage at that.
That didn't
090101 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:27:48 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Don't you think the default action here should be to do nothing
instead of breaking my system?
If you tell the system to install a driver, ignore the prompt
or even type y, why are users constantly surprised
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Thursday 01 January 2009 11:02:23 Dale wrote:
I just did a reinstall on my rig and it did the exact same thing. I had
to mask the one it installed and re-emerge the older one that does
work. Isn't there some way for it to pick the right one? After all, it
new it
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 05:41:11 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
Worked OK here with kpdf-3.5.10, but I didn't try every page.
Can you confirm which page causes the crash?
See the rest of the thread ! -- try page 10 ...
I think I did, I've scrolled as far as page 52 now with no problems.
Why
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 05:54:33 -0500, Philip Webb wrote:
Portage knows that what is proposed is going to break the user's system,
so it should refuse to do it. It's like Package A blocks package B,
which causes the emerge to stop till the user acts more sensibly.
This is different in that the
Hi Neil - could you explain why? - from man emerge:
--oneshot (-1)
Emerge as normal, but do not add the packages to the world
file for later updating.
This would imply that if you use oneshot, the system wont know about the
package and wont update it - not what you would normally
Am Donnerstag, 1. Januar 2009 12:19:44 schrieb William Kenworthy:
Hi Neil - could you explain why?
Because only packages which are not a dependency for any other package should
be in world. If you install that many packages in one go emerge will put all
of them into world, regardless of their
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:19:44 +0900, William Kenworthy wrote:
Hi Neil - could you explain why? - from man emerge:
--oneshot (-1)
Emerge as normal, but do not add the packages to the world
file for later updating.
This would imply that if you use oneshot, the system wont know
[Please CC me on all replies]
On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Dale wrote:
Hi,
I recently stole me a Motorola Razr phone and it didn't come with
the manual. I downloaded it off the Motorola website and was
reading, or attempting to read, it when Kpdf crashed. It does this
when I scroll down
Volker Armin Hemmann ha scritto:
On Donnerstag 01 Januar 2009, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
On 01/01/09 Volker Armin Hemmann said:
after the emerge you read the messages with elogv and downgrade. No harm
done.
I'll be sure to try that, thank you. However, would not avoiding a bad
upgrade in the
090101 Peter Alfredsen wrote:
[Please CC me on all replies]
For me, this pdf crashed evince in cffparse.c:361,
which is indicative of a bug in freetype (bug 247104)
for which I just committed a fix.
Please add to your package.keywords and test.
+*freetype-2.3.7-r1 (01 Jan 2009)
+
+ 01
Hi,
Christian Franke schrieb:
On 12/29/2008 02:32 PM, Marc Blumentritt wrote:
is there a general way to test, if a kernel module was loaded with a
module option and which module options were used?
There is at least /sys/module/modulname/parameters/parametername
If there is nothing else,
I am total Gentoo newb :D but it seems kind of fundamental to the
concept of this distribution that its users are going to make
themselves aware of the details of system updates. Short of reading
ridiculous amounts of doco...folks should be reading the output of the
emerge commands to learn
Hi. I just now started to use dispatch-conf, but I have a question
and there seems to be a problem.
I have replace-unmodified=yes, however this seems to be ignored -- at
least it gave me all the config files it could find even though I had
not modified some of them.
Also, if I want to roll
Am Donnerstag, 1. Januar 2009 16:57:46 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras:
You cannot roll back if you choose to keep the new file with
dispatch-conf and didn't backup the current one first.
However, if you want that, you should switch to cfg-update.
Bye...
Dirk
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on Thursday 01/01/2009 Nikos Chantziaras(rea...@arcor.de) wrote
John covici wrote:
Also, if I want to roll back, say, /etc/init.d/fsck, I am not sure
which file to choose -- in the archive directory there is an
/etc/init.d directory which contains fsck and fsck.dist. I would
Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de writes:
You cannot roll back if you choose to keep the new file with
dispatch-conf and didn't backup the current one first.
You can if you have use-rcs=yes in /etc/dispatch-conf.conf, which the
OP is probably using as the post mentions the archive directory.
John covici wrote:
Also, if I want to roll back, say, /etc/init.d/fsck, I am not sure
which file to choose -- in the archive directory there is an
/etc/init.d directory which contains fsck and fsck.dist. I would
imagine that fsck is my old one and fsck.dist is the new one -- now
what happens
On 2009-01-01, Matt Causey matt.cau...@gmail.com wrote:
I am total Gentoo newb :D but it seems kind of fundamental to
the concept of this distribution that its users are going to
make themselves aware of the details of system updates. Short
of reading ridiculous amounts of doco...folks
John covici wrote:
on Thursday 01/01/2009 Nikos Chantziaras(rea...@arcor.de) wrote
You cannot roll back if you choose to keep the new file with
dispatch-conf and didn't backup the current one first.
Then what is the purpose of the config-archive directory which I was
asked to create?
On 01/01/09 Alan McKinnon said:
The software does not have the slightest vaguest foggiest concept of what the
RIGHT and the WRONG drivers are. That's a human being's conclusion.
Apparently it did, hence the warning.
It therefore cannot decide.
It did decide. It decided to continue.
The
On 01/01/09 Alan McKinnon said:
nice one :-)
The Unix way is to do what the user told it to do, no more and no less.
If you tell the system to install a driver, ignore the prompt or even
Ignore what prompt? There was no prompt, a prompt requiring feedback is in
fact, exactly what I am
Michael P. Soulier wrote:
[...]
I see many posts like this but few suggestions as to how the problem could
have been avoided ahead of time.
You can open a bug about it and suggest something.
On 01/01/09 Neil Bothwick said:
This is different in that the problem is not detected until the emerge
starts, but portage could skip this package and carry on with the rest,
issuing an elog message explaining what happened and how to force an
install if that's what you really want.
Yes,
On 01/01/09 Nikos Chantziaras said:
You can open a bug about it and suggest something.
I did yesterday when it happened.
Thanks,
Mike
--
Michael P. Soulier msoul...@digitaltorque.ca
Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a
touch of genius - and a lot of
Am Donnerstag, 1. Januar 2009 00:33:27 schrieb Michael P. Soulier:
Don't you think the default action here should be to do nothing instead of
breaking my system?
What we think here is irrelevant. You should file a bug and see what the devs
think. We can then express what we think by voting
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:26:27 -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
Ignore what prompt? There was no prompt, a prompt requiring feedback is
in fact, exactly what I am looking for.
That would be wrong. Emerge is supposed to run non-interactively, apart
from a prompt at the start of the process when
on Thursday 01/01/2009 Graham Murray(gra...@gmurray.org.uk) wrote
Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de writes:
You cannot roll back if you choose to keep the new file with
dispatch-conf and didn't backup the current one first.
You can if you have use-rcs=yes in
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:26:27 -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
Ignore what prompt? There was no prompt, a prompt requiring feedback is
in fact, exactly what I am looking for.
That would be wrong. Emerge is supposed to run non-interactively, apart
from a prompt
On Donnerstag 01 Januar 2009, »Q« wrote:
In 200901010423.25783.volker.armin.hemm...@tu-clausthal.de,
Volker Armin Hemmann volker.armin.hemm...@tu-clausthal.de wrote:
That is why you have to go to nvnews first and then upgrade.
Where is nvnews?
On Donnerstag 01 Januar 2009, Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 12:27:48 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
Don't you think the default action here should be to do nothing
instead of
breaking my system?
That proposal is ludicrous and completely counter to the Unix
way
On Donnerstag 01 Januar 2009, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
On 01/01/09 Alan McKinnon said:
The software does not have the slightest vaguest foggiest concept of what
the RIGHT and the WRONG drivers are. That's a human being's conclusion.
Apparently it did, hence the warning.
the ebuild warned
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:42:23 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
BECAUSE STOPPING IS EVIL! PORTAGE IS NON INTERACTIVE! People want to
start an update then go away or sleep. I think Neil already told you
that.
Yes I did. But I also stated that I believe portage should skip the
package when this
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:34:36 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
but as long as X is not restarted, the upgrade doesn't break anything.
You come back, you read the elogs, you downgrade the drivers and
everything is fine and dandy.
Except you've wasted time and resources compiling the broken
On 01/01/09 Volker Armin Hemmann said:
the ebuild warned you. Portage and ebuilds are different things. And portage
has to assume that you know what you are doing.
Sure, the issue is that it warned me too late.
because it SUCKS when a world update breaks somewhere along 25 of 223. People
On 01/01/09 Neil Bothwick said:
That would be wrong. Emerge is supposed to run non-interactively, apart
from a prompt at the start of the process when using --ask. A world
update can take many hours and is often run overnight, imagine your
frustration the next morning when you see it is
On 01/01/09 Volker Armin Hemmann said:
but as long as X is not restarted, the upgrade doesn't break anything. You
come back, you read the elogs, you downgrade the drivers and everything is
fine and dandy.
As long as X doesn't dynamically load a now binary-incompatible module and
segfault. X
On 01/01/09 Alan McKinnon said:
He also asked a very generic question, the kind that doesn't really have an
answer. So no-one likely will.
For all we know, the hardware in question is a floppy drive. Or token ring.
Michael, what package, what hardware are we talking about?
Your question
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 18:34:36 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
but as long as X is not restarted, the upgrade doesn't break anything.
You come back, you read the elogs, you downgrade the drivers and
everything is fine and dandy.
Except you've wasted time and
On Thursday 01 January 2009, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On Thursday 01 January 2009 02:29:15 Stroller wrote:
On 31 Dec 2008, at 23:51, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
Having just been bitten by some of my hardware being abandoned with
the latest
version of a software package I am left to question
On Donnerstag 01 Januar 2009, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
On 01/01/09 Volker Armin Hemmann said:
but as long as X is not restarted, the upgrade doesn't break anything.
You come back, you read the elogs, you downgrade the drivers and
everything is fine and dandy.
As long as X doesn't
John covici wrote:
on Thursday 01/01/2009 Graham Murray(gra...@gmurray.org.uk) wrote
Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de writes:
You cannot roll back if you choose to keep the new file with
dispatch-conf and didn't backup the current one first.
You can if you have use-rcs=yes in
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:28:55 -0500
Michael P. Soulier msoul...@digitaltorque.ca wrote:
Your philosophy seems to put an undue amount of work on the
administrator.
I guess I'm in the camp that thinks the administrator should know what
modules are needed for the hardware, and portage should keep
Am Thursday 01 January 2009 17:54:12 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:26:27 -0500, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
Ignore what prompt? There was no prompt, a prompt requiring feedback is
in fact, exactly what I am looking for.
That would be wrong. Emerge is supposed to run
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:14:16 -0600, »Q« wrote:
I guess I'm in the camp that thinks the administrator should know what
modules are needed for the hardware, and portage should keep working as
it does now.
Then why the test and warning?
--
Neil Bothwick
God is real, unless specifically
On 01/01/09 Mick said:
I guess there is bugzilla for posting bugs or even requests, but if as Alan
says the hardware in question is that obscure/obsolete, then interest for
continuing its dev't will undoubtedly decline with time. Maybe the recent
2.6.27 kernel problems that I have
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Michael P. Soulier
msoul...@digitaltorque.ca wrote:
Having just been bitten by some of my hardware being abandoned with the latest
version of a software package I am left to question the entire philosophy in
gentoo of always running bleeding edge. Not touching a
On 1 Jan 2009, at 03:23, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
...
[assuming] portage could
parse lspci output - why make it slower and more easily to break if
all
breakage can be avoided by simply reading first - then upgrading?
We have computers to make our lives simpler easier. If a computer
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Graham Murray gra...@gmurray.org.uk wrote:
Michael P. Soulier msoul...@digitaltorque.ca writes:
Sure enough, X no longer works. I'm following the instructions now, but...
Don't you think the default action here should be to do nothing instead of
breaking my
Michael P. Soulier wrote:
On 01/01/09 Mick said:
I guess there is bugzilla for posting bugs or even requests, but if as Alan
says the hardware in question is that obscure/obsolete, then interest for
continuing its dev't will undoubtedly decline with time. Maybe the recent
2.6.27 kernel
Peter Alfredsen wrote:
[Please CC me on all replies]
On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Dale wrote:
Hi,
I recently stole me a Motorola Razr phone and it didn't come with
the manual. I downloaded it off the Motorola website and was
reading, or attempting to read, it when Kpdf crashed. It
On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 4:06 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday 31 December 2008 17:36:39 Paul Hartman wrote:
I can't remember the exact reasoning, but I do recall being told it's
normal and that it varies from one system to another, even with the
same hardware. I
Dale wrote:
Peter Alfredsen wrote:
[Please CC me on all replies]
On Wednesday 31 December 2008, Dale wrote:
Hi,
I recently stole me a Motorola Razr phone and it didn't come with
the manual. I downloaded it off the Motorola website and was
reading, or attempting to read, it
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