Re: [gentoo-user] Re: log messages

2010-02-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 17 February 2010 08:49:28 Harry Putnam wrote: I have caught the freeze in the early stages before completely losing the network when just mouse and keyboard became unresponsive, was able to ssh in and noticed that restarting hald held off the freeze for some (again unspecified)

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't hear anything. :-(

2010-02-17 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Robin, On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:56:53PM +0700, Robin Atwood wrote: On Tuesday 16 February 2010, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, gentoo, I'm trying to get sound to sound on my new Gentoo box, following the Gentoo Linux ALSA Guide. Everything seems to be working fine, except no sound is

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't hear anything. :-(

2010-02-17 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Mark, On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 04:20:53PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Hi, gentoo, I'm trying to get sound to sound on my new Gentoo box, following the Gentoo Linux ALSA Guide.  Everything seems to be working fine, except

[gentoo-user] Problem with installation kde-meta, gnome

2010-02-17 Thread Andzrzej Styczeń
Hello, I am newbie to Gentoo. I yesterday install it and uff it works :-). Today I try to install kde on amd64 architecture but I obtain error. I do the following: # emerge --sync # emerge kde-meta * Error: circular dependencies: ('ebuild','/','devel-util/cmake-2.6.4-r3','merge') depends on

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual booting Dell with Windows 7

2010-02-17 Thread Nick Cunningham
On 15 February 2010 23:45, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 13 February 2010 17:13:51 Willie Wong wrote: On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 03:09:35PM +, Mick wrote: I bought a Dell XPS laptop which seems to have 3 primary partitions. The third partition is where Windows 7

Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with installation kde-meta, gnome

2010-02-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 17 February 2010 11:25:25 Andzrzej Styczeń wrote: Hello, I am newbie to Gentoo. I yesterday install it and uff it works :-). Today I try to install kde on amd64 architecture but I obtain error. I do the following: # emerge --sync # emerge kde-meta * Error: circular

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual booting Dell with Windows 7

2010-02-17 Thread Willie Wong
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 06:58:16AM +, Mick wrote: On Wednesday 17 February 2010 01:12:08 Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 15 February 2010 23:45:23 Mick wrote: If I were to [tell] GRUB to chainload W7 [which} should I point it to? Dell's partition 2 which has the boot flag, or the main

Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with installation kde-meta, gnome

2010-02-17 Thread Andrzej Styczeń
On Wednesday 17 of February 2010 10:58:53 Alan McKinnon wrote: Wait about one day, sync again, and retry. Chances are good the maintainer will have spotted the circular deps and fixed them. There's not much you can do about it on your end. With experience, it's possible to adjust one of the

[gentoo-user] Find out what emerge is up to in a large number of installations.

2010-02-17 Thread ubiquitous1980
If emerge has a large number of installs to do, for example, during a world update, and I am in a tty, how would I find which one emerge is up to?

Re: [gentoo-user] Find out what emerge is up to in a large number of installations.

2010-02-17 Thread Daniel Troeder
On 02/16/2010 06:56 PM, ubiquitous1980 wrote: If emerge has a large number of installs to do, for example, during a world update, and I am in a tty, how would I find which one emerge is up to? Not sure if I understand your question, but you possibly want to take a look at /var/log/emerge.log --

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-17 Thread Mick
On 17 February 2010 00:12, Volker Armin Hemmann you want dependency nightmare? openoffice depends on libwpd libwpd depends on libgsf libgsf pulls gconf in. I don't need wordperfect, I don't want gnome. No way to get rid of that crap. I know. :-( Even basic libs are pulling in tons of

Re: [gentoo-user] copy-paste no longer works with (g)vim + OpenOffice

2010-02-17 Thread Philip Webb
100216 Willie Wong wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 03:45:30PM -0500, Philip Webb wrote: I have updated to the latest stable (G)vim 7.2.303 suddenly can no longer copy+paste from Vim into Open Office: it doesn't work at all with Gvim unpredictably with Vim in a Konsole. I can copy+paste from

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't hear anything. :-(

2010-02-17 Thread Roger Mason
Hello Alan, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de writes: Did you get this worked out yet? Not yet, no. VERY strange that you don't see pcm as a mixer control... I've got alsamixer 1.0.21. Could it be that it choses its controls according to the capabilities of the sound card? It's a bit hard

Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with installation kde-meta, gnome

2010-02-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:25:25 +0100, Andzrzej Styczeń wrote: * Error: circular dependencies: ('ebuild','/','devel-util/cmake-2.6.4-r3','merge') depends on     ('ebuild','/','x11-libs/qt-gui-4.5.3-r2','merge') (buildtime) qt-gui needs cmake to build, but you have set the qt4 USE flag,

Re: [gentoo-user] Find out what emerge is up to in a large number of installations.

2010-02-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:56:07 +, ubiquitous1980 wrote: If emerge has a large number of installs to do, for example, during a world update, and I am in a tty, how would I find which one emerge is up to? emerge genlop genlop -c -- Neil Bothwick If you don't pay your exorcist, you get

[gentoo-user] Rethinking binfmts [WAS: How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?]

2010-02-17 Thread Enrico Weigelt
Alan McKinnon wrote: Why is ELF so prone to bloat (or more accurately why do so many compilers generate such large libs?) Yes, that's an really good question. ELF has many things, that are IMHO not really necessary or shouldn't even be used. For example, debugging information doesnt need to

[gentoo-user] silly daylight saving [WAS: Running xsane]

2010-02-17 Thread Enrico Weigelt
Peter Humphrey wrote: Outside USA we have no illusions of saving time by adjusting our clocks. When it comes to politicians, I'm not quite that sure. Over here in Germany, there're lots of them who still believe in that insane idea of messing up the clocks would bring anything but useless

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual booting Dell with Windows 7

2010-02-17 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 17 February 2010 06:58:16 Mick wrote: Nope. I mean use the Windows 7 bootloader as the primary bootloader to chainload GRUB from the Gentoo partition. The MSWindows stays in the MBR as it is now, the GRUB is installed in the Gentoo /boot partition. MSWindows bootloader

[gentoo-user] Re: Can't hear anything. :-(

2010-02-17 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 02/17/2010 11:15 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 04:20:53PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: [...] 1) IMO Alsa has never run so well when drivers are compiled into the kernel. I do a lot of audio in Linux and have always had the best results using modules. I would strongly suggest

Re: [gentoo-user] silly daylight saving [WAS: Running xsane]

2010-02-17 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:15:14 +0100, Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: Outside USA we have no illusions of saving time by adjusting our clocks. When it comes to politicians, I'm not quite that sure. Over here in Germany, there're lots of them who still believe in

Re: [gentoo-user] silly daylight saving [WAS: Running xsane]

2010-02-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 17 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:15:14 +0100, Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: Outside USA we have no illusions of saving time by adjusting our clocks. When it comes to politicians, I'm not quite that sure. Over here

Re: [gentoo-user] silly daylight saving [WAS: Running xsane]

2010-02-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:09:25 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: no, for the exact reasons you wrote, daylight saving make no sense. With daylight savings the sun is not the highest at noon. And changing time puts a lot of stress on the body. But it means you spend more of your waking hours in

Re: [gentoo-user] silly daylight saving [WAS: Running xsane]

2010-02-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 17 Februar 2010, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:09:25 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: no, for the exact reasons you wrote, daylight saving make no sense. With daylight savings the sun is not the highest at noon. And changing time puts a lot of stress on the body.

[gentoo-user] fat libraries [WAS: How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?]

2010-02-17 Thread Enrico Weigelt
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Sonntag 14 Februar 2010, Enrico Weigelt wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: no, but with static exes you have to recompile everything everytime a security bug is found. That's the job of the distro buildsystem. Ah, and that dramatically minimizes the chance that

[gentoo-user] Re: log messages

2010-02-17 Thread Harry Putnam
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: Remote logging and just leave it till the machine freezes again will hopefully give you the useful logs you need to identify the problem. To save disk space you can configure logrotate on the remote logger to delete the previous days stuff - you

Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with installation kde-meta, gnome

2010-02-17 Thread Crístian Viana
the qt4 useflag isn't enabled by default, right? that'd be a big 'default' problem to people installing KDE. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:25:25 +0100, Andzrzej Styczeń wrote: * Error: circular dependencies:

[gentoo-user] KDE 4.3 Weather Forecast Applet does not find Perth (Looking for a Fix)

2010-02-17 Thread ubiquitous1980
Using KDE 4.3 Weather Forecast Applet for amd64. I know BBC broke this. Anyone got a fix?

Re: [gentoo-user] silly daylight saving [WAS: Running xsane]

2010-02-17 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: On Mittwoch 17 Februar 2010, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:09:25 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: no, for the exact reasons you wrote, daylight saving make no sense. With daylight savings the sun is

[gentoo-user] Re: Find out what emerge is up to in a large number of installations.

2010-02-17 Thread James
ubiquitous1980 nixuser1980 at gmail.com writes: If emerge has a large number of installs to do, for example, during a world update, and I am in a tty, how would I find which one emerge is up to? not sure what you mean about tty, but if you have a command prompt, then: tail -f

Re: [gentoo-user] Can't hear anything. :-(

2010-02-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:15 AM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Hi, Mark, SNIP VERY strange that you don't see pcm as a mixer control... I've got alsamixer 1.0.21.  Could it be that it choses its controls according to the capabilities of the sound card? OK, so did you run alsaconf?

[gentoo-user] Re: Running xsane

2010-02-17 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-02-17, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Monday 15 February 2010 08:58:03 Neil Bothwick wrote: He was wrong, understandably. He should not have included all white men in that set. Outside USA we have no illusions of saving time by adjusting our clocks. Let's be fair

Re: [gentoo-user] Rethinking binfmts [WAS: How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?]

2010-02-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 17 Februar 2010, Enrico Weigelt wrote: For example, debugging information doesnt need to exist within the binary itself. An external file would be fine, too, and allows removing them by standard file operations. man make.conf: splitdebug Prior to

Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with installation kde-meta, gnome

2010-02-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 17 February 2010 16:57:34 Crístian Viana wrote: the qt4 useflag isn't enabled by default, right? that'd be a big 'default' problem to people installing KDE. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:25:25 +0100, Andzrzej

Re: [gentoo-user] copy-paste no longer works with (g)vim + OpenOffice

2010-02-17 Thread Willie Wong
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 06:42:40AM -0500, Philip Webb wrote: Which copy+paste? high-light with mouse and middle click to paste? Yes: are there other methods ? -- it also doesn't work if I high-light with 'v' the (left-)arrow key(s). In Gnome at least you can high-light with mouse, right

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-17 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com I also happen to own a couple of old PCs which I try to keep lean and I don't mind the odd double declutching to change gears. Now, I understand the development philosophy of KDE4 since this was very well explained, but that

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-17 Thread pk
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: openoffice depends on libwpd libwpd depends on libgsf libgsf pulls gconf in. Hm. I actually have OO (non-binary version) installed althoughI dislike bloat... However, I don't have gconf installed (USE: -gnome, globally in make.conf). I run stable so that, of

Re: [gentoo-user] copy-paste no longer works with (g)vim + OpenOffice

2010-02-17 Thread Philip Webb
100217 Willie Wong wrote: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 06:42:40AM -0500, Philip Webb wrote: Which copy+paste? high-light with mouse and middle click to paste? Yes: are there other methods ? -- it also doesn't work if I high-light with 'v' the (left-)arrow key(s). In Gnome you can high-light with

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch 17 Februar 2010, Dale wrote: chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: openoffice depends on libwpd libwpd depends on libgsf libgsf pulls gconf in. Hm. I actually have OO (non-binary version) installed althoughI dislike

[gentoo-user] Re: log messages

2010-02-17 Thread Jörg Schaible
Hi Harry, Harry Putnam wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: On Wednesday 17 February 2010 00:36:42 Harry Putnam wrote: Hundreds, maybe thousands of lines like this (wrapped for mail): Feb 16 09:38:47 reader kernel: [162289.090685] usb 4-2.1:1.1: uevent Feb 16

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-17 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: openoffice depends on libwpd libwpd depends on libgsf libgsf pulls gconf in. Hm. I actually have OO (non-binary version) installed althoughI dislike bloat... However, I don't have gconf

Re: [gentoo-user] silly daylight saving [WAS: Running xsane]

2010-02-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:36:51 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: But it means you spend more of your waking hours in daylight (unless you're a postman or milkman), which has both health and environmental benefits not really. If I have to get up at 4am in the morning to reach my job at

Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with installation kde-meta, gnome

2010-02-17 Thread Andrzej Styczeń
On Wednesday 17 of February 2010 13:00:27 Neil Bothwick wrote: qt-gui needs cmake to build, but you have set the qt4 USE flag, so cmake needs QT to build, hence the circular dependency. USE=-qt4 emerge --oneshot cmake will temporarily build cmake without QT support, allowing it to build

[gentoo-user] Re: nfs-utils broken on ~amd64?

2010-02-17 Thread walt
On 02/15/2010 10:51 PM, Keith Dart wrote: === On Mon, 02/15, walt wrote: === The next step is to build a new kernel with nfs4 support and unset the 'nonfsv4' flag... I had this problem. My solution was to have an fstab line like this: server:/mnt/vol1/home/home /althome nfs

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo on SSD

2010-02-17 Thread walt
On 02/16/2010 01:56 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Maybe it's ext4-related as well ... you know, many moving parts in a modern system Are you using ext4 on the hard drives also? For how long?

Re: [gentoo-user] Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-17 Thread pk
Dale wrote: What did you use in place of k3b? Is it a GUI or command line? cdrecord. I also have installed, but I haven't used it yet, XFburn... Best regards Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3 Weather Forecast Applet does not find Perth (Looking for a Fix)

2010-02-17 Thread Matthias Krebs
Am Dienstag 16 Februar 2010 22:26:11 schrieb ubiquitous1980: Using KDE 4.3 Weather Forecast Applet for amd64. I know BBC broke this. Anyone got a fix? update to kde 4.4 bbc works again (at least for berlin)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo on SSD

2010-02-17 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 17.02.2010 20:10, schrieb walt: On 02/16/2010 01:56 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Maybe it's ext4-related as well ... you know, many moving parts in a modern system Are you using ext4 on the hard drives also? For how long? phew, for quite some time ... I'd have to think a while

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual booting Dell with Windows 7

2010-02-17 Thread Mick
Thanks Nick, On Wednesday 17 February 2010 09:53:27 Nick Cunningham wrote: Take a look at EasyBCD: http://neosmart.net/forums/showthread.php?t=642 The latest betas of version 2 allow you to use the Vista/Win7 bootloader to chainload grub and so boot linux. Its pretty easy to setup aswell as

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo on SSD

2010-02-17 Thread Alex Schuster
Stefan G. Weichinger writes: Am 17.02.2010 20:10, schrieb walt: Are you using ext4 on the hard drives also? For how long? phew, for quite some time ... I'd have to think a while ... AFAIK there is no way to read that info from the fs formatted on 2009-06-. or something ;-)

Re: [gentoo-user] copy-paste no longer works with (g)vim + OpenOffice

2010-02-17 Thread Willie Wong
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 01:18:21PM -0500, Philip Webb wrote: I didn't know that one (smile), but only the 1st half works here; when I R-click in the OO file, there's no 'paste' option using the 'paste' button on the toolbar gives Requested clipboard format is not available. Okay, so OO does

[gentoo-user] [OT] Choice of Photo gallery tools

2010-02-17 Thread Harry Putnam
I wondered if anyone here can speak on the various photo and gallery generating tools available on linux. I have photos on smugmug.com and wondered if there is do it yourself tools that come anywhere close the sophisticated handling they do.

Re: [gentoo-user] Dual booting Dell with Windows 7

2010-02-17 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 17 February 2010 06:58:16 Mick wrote: On Wednesday 17 February 2010 01:12:08 Peter Humphrey wrote: No offence intended. Thanks, none received. I am not American. ;-) Well, having just gratuitously insulted an entire nation, I'd better be on my best behaviour now in case I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Running xsane

2010-02-17 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 17 February 2010 15:53:04 Grant Edwards wrote: Let's be fair about it. Here in the US, we don't have the illusion of saving _time_. No, you miss the point. The name implies saving daylight, not time. Show me anyone who can do that. (And I won't ask why Saving has to be plural.)

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Choice of Photo gallery tools

2010-02-17 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:14 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: I wondered if anyone here can speak on the various photo and gallery generating tools available on linux. I have photos on smugmug.com and wondered if there is do it yourself tools that come anywhere close the sophisticated handling

Re: [gentoo-user] silly daylight saving [WAS: Running xsane]

2010-02-17 Thread Enrico Weigelt
Dale wrote: The only good thing, it helps some people remember to replace the battery in the smoke detector. Of course, one could come up with a better way of doing that too. Most of them beep for weeks when it gets low, which is ironic since the beeping runs the battery down. o_O In our

Re: [gentoo-user] silly daylight saving [WAS: Running xsane]

2010-02-17 Thread Enrico Weigelt
Neil Bothwick wrote: What with their greenhouse gas emissions and insistence on their farmers working at unearthly hours, those cows have a lot to answer for. When are they going to start considering the environment? What frakk'in greenhouse gases ? Is anyone stupid enough to still believe in

Re: [gentoo-user] silly daylight saving

2010-02-17 Thread Alex Schuster
Enrico Weigelt writes: Neil Bothwick wrote: What with their greenhouse gas emissions and insistence on their farmers working at unearthly hours, those cows have a lot to answer for. When are they going to start considering the environment? What frakk'in greenhouse gases ? Is anyone

[gentoo-user] Re: Running xsane

2010-02-17 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-02-18, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: More examples: what is the one thing that shock-absorbers don't do? What does a condenser (on a carburettor) condense? Never heard of a condenser on a carbuetor. Google doesn't seem to know about it either. Are you referring to

Re: [gentoo-user] silly daylight saving [WAS: Running xsane]

2010-02-17 Thread Dale
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties: Neil Bothwick wrote: What with their greenhouse gas emissions and insistence on their farmers working at unearthly hours, those cows have a lot to answer for. When are they going to start considering the environment?

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Choice of Photo gallery tools

2010-02-17 Thread Mick
On Thursday 18 February 2010 01:35:12 Iain Buchanan wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-17 at 17:14 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: I wondered if anyone here can speak on the various photo and gallery generating tools available on linux. I have photos on smugmug.com and wondered if there is do it

[gentoo-user] weather forecast plasmoid refuses to find Perth in Australia as a location

2010-02-17 Thread ubiquitous1980
I am having issues using the weather forecast plasmoid in KDE 4.3. It will not allow me to show the weather for Perth in Australia using the BBC or other sources.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo on SSD

2010-02-17 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 17.02.2010 23:29, schrieb Alex Schuster: AFAIK there is no way to read that info from the fs formatted on 2009-06-. or something ;-) dumpe2fs /dev/root | grep Filesystem created: I am impressed ;-) On the ssd: Filesystem created: Mon Jan 4 19:56:09 2010 On the hdd-raid1: