[gentoo-user] Re: ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-10-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-10-01, Renat Golubchyk wrote: > Hi! > > On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 17:13:24 + (UTC) Grant Edwards > wrote: > >> I've noticed recently that the Gentoo handbook web pages are >> ridiculously wide. (It seems to me that they didn't used to be, but I >> wouldn't swear to that). Actually I think w

Re: [gentoo-user] ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-10-01 Thread Stroller
On 1 Oct 2010, at 23:18, Renat Golubchyk wrote: > On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 17:13:24 + (UTC) Grant Edwards > wrote: >> I've noticed recently that the Gentoo handbook web pages are >> ridiculously wide. (It seems to me that they didn't used to be, but I >> wouldn't swear to that). > > As fas as I c

Re: [gentoo-user] Normal disk speed?

2010-10-01 Thread Adam Carter
> > > > 1. Defragment, so there is less seeking > To this end i have found the scripts fragck.pl and defrag at http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-429915.html For me; # ./fragck.pl /home/adam/mp3/ 77.6329693554068% non contiguous files, 27.4885523071504 average fragments. Unfortunately defrag d

Re: [gentoo-user] ridiculously wide handbook pages

2010-10-01 Thread Renat Golubchyk
Hi! On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 17:13:24 + (UTC) Grant Edwards wrote: > I've noticed recently that the Gentoo handbook web pages are > ridiculously wide. (It seems to me that they didn't used to be, but I > wouldn't swear to that). As fas as I can remember they've always been that wide. Anyway, sinc

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Al
> Hey, that's cool man...I'm certainly not telling you not to post here, > I just think it would have been a good idea to post details of your > esoteric setup in the original post. As you've found, the cygwin and You are right in that to enough degree. In this case it would have been of advantage

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Al
> > And how were we to learn that when you didn't tell us you weren't > running Linux/Unix? > I already mentioned it a few times. For simple questions, that don't look like crossing the borders, I don't mention it any more. It draws away from the topic. Probably I need to add something clarifying

[gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-10-01, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Friday 01 October 2010, Al wrote: > >>> Cheers for your problem Al, maybe try the gentoo-alt ML to avoid all >>> the noise but you sure reach more ppl here. >> >> It's also time to get more ppl interested in gentoo-alt. >> Gentoo/Windows is more sti

[gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-10-01, Al wrote: >> I understand that Al, but you must keep context in mind here. This >> mailing list, while perhaps not called the 'gentoo linux users list' >> is intended for support for Gentoo Linux. When you post here asking a > > A am a wanderer betwenn the worlds. When I think a que

Re: [gentoo-user] oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Al
> it is a communtiy deeply founded in the linux camp and your stupid behaviour > does not sit well with it. > *plonk*

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Friday 01 October 2010, Al wrote: > > Cheers for your problem Al, maybe try the gentoo-alt ML to avoid all the > > noise but you sure reach more ppl here. > > It's also time to get more ppl interested in gentoo-alt. > Gentoo/Windows is more stimulant than Gentoo/BSD I guess, because it > sounds

Re: [gentoo-user] oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Friday 01 October 2010, Al wrote: > > Gentoo is Linux but it is not windoze. I have asked a question or two on > > Gentoo is not Linux. Gentoo is a community and a build tool. > > The build tool depends on bash. It does not depend on the Linux kernel. > > Al it is a communtiy deeply founde

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Darren Kirby
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Al wrote: >> I understand that Al, but you must keep context in mind here. This >> mailing list, while perhaps not called the 'gentoo linux users list' >> is intended for support for Gentoo Linux. When you post here asking a > > A am a wanderer betwenn the worlds. W

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Al
> > Wow.  I never realized that could be done.  Tres geek points for ya. > Thank you. After a month of research I really have deserved some geek points. :-) > >  Gentoo is a free operating system based on either Linux or FreeBSD >  that ... That is outdated since they started to run Gentoo on Ir

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Al
> I understand that Al, but you must keep context in mind here. This > mailing list, while perhaps not called the 'gentoo linux users list' > is intended for support for Gentoo Linux. When you post here asking a A am a wanderer betwenn the worlds. When I think a question is reated to the windows k

[gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-10-01, Al wrote: >> >> Cheers for your problem Al, maybe try the gentoo-alt ML to avoid all >> the noise but you sure reach more ppl here. > It's also time to get more ppl interested in gentoo-alt. Hiding the fact that you're running it doesn't seem like a very effective means to that en

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Darren Kirby
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Al wrote: >> >> There are projects to port portage and other system tools to all sorts >> of other kernels: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo/Alt >> >> That said, it is quite inaccurate of the OP to claim Gentoo is but a >> 'build system', and not a Linux. It's pr

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Al
> > Cheers for your problem Al, maybe try the gentoo-alt ML to avoid all the > noise but you sure reach more ppl here. > It's also time to get more ppl interested in gentoo-alt. Gentoo/Windows is more stimulant than Gentoo/BSD I guess, because it sounds like the opposite side of the planet. Al

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Al
> > There are projects to port portage and other system tools to all sorts > of other kernels: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo/Alt > > That said, it is quite inaccurate of the OP to claim Gentoo is but a > 'build system', and not a Linux. It's primary goal and chief function > as we all know is

[gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-10-01, Al wrote: You're running Gentoo Windows? >>> >>> Yes I do. >> >> Someone is confused. ?I'm not sure who tho. ?:/ >> > > I run Gentoo on the Cygwin layer on Vista to be precise. There is no > Linux kernel. Wow. I never realized that could be done. Tres geek points for ya

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Darren Kirby
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2010-10-01, Dale wrote: >> Al wrote: You're running Gentoo Windows? >>> Yes I do. >>> >>> >> >> Someone is confused.  I'm not sure who tho.  :/ > > I certainly feel a bit confused.  I was aware of Gentoo/BSD... > > > -- > Gr

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Florian CROUZAT
On 1 oct. 2010, at 21:26, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2010-10-01, Dale wrote: >> Al wrote: You're running Gentoo Windows? >>> Yes I do. >>> >>> >> >> Someone is confused. I'm not sure who tho. :/ > > I certainly feel a bit confused. I was aware of Gentoo/BSD... I think som

[gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-10-01, Dale wrote: > Al wrote: >>> You're running Gentoo Windows? >>> >>> >> Yes I do. >> >> > > Someone is confused. I'm not sure who tho. :/ I certainly feel a bit confused. I was aware of Gentoo/BSD... -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Those peo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Al
>>> >>> You're running Gentoo Windows? >> >> Yes I do. > > Someone is confused.  I'm not sure who tho.  :/ > I run Gentoo on the Cygwin layer on Vista to be precise. There is no Linux kernel. Others run Gentoo on BSD, on Interix or Irix, where there is no Linux kernel. I have a build script that

Re: [gentoo-user] oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Al
> > Gentoo is Linux but it is not windoze.  I have asked a question or two on Gentoo is not Linux. Gentoo is a community and a build tool. The build tool depends on bash. It does not depend on the Linux kernel. Al

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Dale
Al wrote: You're running Gentoo Windows? Yes I do. Someone is confused. I'm not sure who tho. :/ Dale :-) :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Dale
Al wrote: Thanks, it was a good suggestion anyway and I will use it the next time I run on Linux. I have no ideas on windoze. I don't have it here and try to stay away from it when possible. I just assumed since you posted on a Linux list and there was no mention of windoze in the origina

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Paul Hartman
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:51 PM, walt wrote: > On 10/01/2010 10:25 AM, Al wrote: > >> >>  configure: error: operating system cygwin is not supported by strace >> >> Any windows alternative? > > This may be overkill for your purpose, but it's a great tool: > > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sys

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Al
> > You're running Gentoo Windows? > Yes I do.

[gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-10-01, Al wrote: >> >> Perhaps you'd be better off asking in a Cygwin/Windows forum than a >> Linux one? > > Again, Gentoo != Linux. You're running Gentoo Windows? > But, you are right to suggest the Cygwin list. I didn't anticipate > that such a tool would depend on the kernel architect

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Al
> > Perhaps you'd be better off asking in a Cygwin/Windows forum than a > Linux one? > Again, Gentoo != Linux. But, you are right to suggest the Cygwin list. I didn't anticipate that such a tool would depend on the kernel architecture. The posix layer is there. Al

[gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-10-01, Al wrote: >> >> I'm not sure but you may want to check into strace. ?It may be what you are >> looking for. >> >> * dev-util/strace >> ? ? Available versions: ?4.5.18 4.5.19 ~4.5.20 {aio static} >> ? ? Homepage: ? ? ? ? ? ?http://sourceforge.net/projects/strace/ >> ? ? Description:

Re: [gentoo-user] oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Al
Thanks, it was a good suggestion anyway and I will use it the next time I run on Linux. > > I have no ideas on windoze.  I don't have it here and try to stay away from > it when possible.  I just assumed since you posted on a Linux list and there > was no mention of windoze in the original post th

[gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-10-01, Dale wrote: > Al wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I want to find out by which file and line the */temp/environment >> script is run or sourced. >> >> As a am always interested in a general way to solve something, I ask >> if there is a tool, that displays me the order in which files are >> r

Re: [gentoo-user] oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Dale
Al wrote: I'm not sure but you may want to check into strace. It may be what you are looking for. * dev-util/strace Available versions: 4.5.18 4.5.19 ~4.5.20 {aio static} Homepage:http://sourceforge.net/projects/strace/ Description: A useful diagnostic, instr

[gentoo-user] Re: oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread walt
On 10/01/2010 10:25 AM, Al wrote: configure: error: operating system cygwin is not supported by strace Any windows alternative? This may be overkill for your purpose, but it's a great tool: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx

Re: [gentoo-user] oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Al
> > I'm not sure but you may want to check into strace.  It may be what you are > looking for. > > * dev-util/strace >     Available versions:  4.5.18 4.5.19 ~4.5.20 {aio static} >     Homepage:            http://sourceforge.net/projects/strace/ >     Description:         A useful diagnostic, instr

Re: [gentoo-user] Trying to configure alsa for INTEL HDA (ATI)

2010-10-01 Thread kelly hirai
i was trying to do buffer size manipulation for this driver. here is a good read by iwai-san. don't forget to look through all the related codex modules, esp in the >=2.6.34 release. http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/docs/HD-Audio.html On 09/06/10 07:58, Nils Larsson wrote: >>

Re: [gentoo-user] oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Darren Kirby
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Dale wrote: > Al wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I want to find out by which file and line the */temp/environment >> script is run or sourced. >> >> As a am always interested in a general way to solve something, I ask >> if there is a tool, that displays me the order in

Re: [gentoo-user] oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Dale
Al wrote: Hello, I want to find out by which file and line the */temp/environment script is run or sourced. As a am always interested in a general way to solve something, I ask if there is a tool, that displays me the order in which files are read by a process. Al I'm not sure but you

Re: [gentoo-user] Normal disk speed?

2010-10-01 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Friday 01 October 2010, Florian Philipp wrote: > Am 01.10.2010 03:12, schrieb Adam Carter: > > Your harddisk seeks, everything is slow. > > > > So does that then mean that my options are; > > 1. Defragment, so there is less seeking > > 2. Get an SSD > > > > Since 2 is too expensive for a d

[gentoo-user] oder of files opened by a process

2010-10-01 Thread Al
Hello, I want to find out by which file and line the */temp/environment script is run or sourced. As a am always interested in a general way to solve something, I ask if there is a tool, that displays me the order in which files are read by a process. Al

[gentoo-user] Re: Normal disk speed?

2010-10-01 Thread James
Daniel Troeder admin-box.com> writes: > As I read about the nice performance of btrfs with compression I tried > it out two weeks ago. I'll be posting my benchmarks to this list soon. > Until now I didn't have any problems, but still would not use btrfs on > production systems. What tool(how) d

Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with Having two Network Cards in System ...

2010-10-01 Thread Bill Longman
On 09/30/10 20:07, Christopher Koeber wrote: > Hello, > > I have a system with two network cards. The cards are configured for > DHCP for two separate networks and they get their respective IP > addresses from the different DCHP servers. > > The problem is that the network access on either networ

Re: [gentoo-user] Normal disk speed?

2010-10-01 Thread Daniel Troeder
On 10/01/2010 03:12 AM, Adam Carter wrote: > Your harddisk seeks, everything is slow. > > So does that then mean that my options are; > 1. Defragment, so there is less seeking > 2. Get an SSD > > Since 2 is too expensive for a decent size drive, is there anything i > can do about 1 without a

Re: [gentoo-user] Normal disk speed?

2010-10-01 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 01.10.2010 03:12, schrieb Adam Carter: > Your harddisk seeks, everything is slow. > > So does that then mean that my options are; > 1. Defragment, so there is less seeking > 2. Get an SSD > > Since 2 is too expensive for a decent size drive, is there anything i > can do about 1 without a b

Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...

2010-10-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 09:13:41 +0800, Bill Kenworthy wrote: > Gentoo networking is a bit on the wild side - it doesnt seem to work > nicely with third party tools without a lot of work. Nor should it - you either let baselayout manage the networking interfaces or another program. Letting two system