Re: [gentoo-user] Near freezes during large emerges

2011-01-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 03:21 on Monday 17 January 2011, William Kenworthy did opine thusly: A modern desktop that swaps is unusable - enormous amounts of data has to be pulled back in from the drive. A web server that swaps is already thrashing so you always want to avoid that.

Re: [gentoo-user] Near freezes during large emerges

2011-01-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 03:39 on Monday 17 January 2011, William Kenworthy did opine thusly: On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 17:26 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:13 PM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 14:41 -0800, Grant wrote: ...

Re: [gentoo-user] Near freezes during large emerges

2011-01-17 Thread William Kenworthy
On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 10:07 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 03:39 on Monday 17 January 2011, William Kenworthy did opine thusly: On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 17:26 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:13 PM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au

[gentoo-user] dynamic libraries - tree view ?

2011-01-17 Thread Helmut Jarausch
Hi, on one of my machines, googleearth crashes. An ldd /opt/googleearth/googleearth.bin | grep crypto shows that it tries to load both /usr/lib32/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 and /usr/lib32/libcrypto.so.1.0.0 On a different machine it only loads /usr/lib32/libcrypto.so.1.0.0 and does not crash. So,

Re: [gentoo-user] Near freezes during large emerges

2011-01-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 10:18 on Monday 17 January 2011, William Kenworthy did opine thusly: On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 10:07 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 03:39 on Monday 17 January 2011, William Kenworthy did opine thusly: On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 17:26

Re: [gentoo-user] Near freezes during large emerges

2011-01-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:07:45 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I have a diskless 3GB ram atom system (mythtv frontend) and I have to arrange swap over nbd for gcc and glibc emerges - others just get very slow when getting to limits, or get flaky unless -j1 is used. Havent tried OO on it yet :)

Re: [gentoo-user] Near freezes during large emerges

2011-01-17 Thread Stroller
On 17/1/2011, at 8:07am, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... I'M flabbergasted. 3G is really a gigantic amount of memory and yet the machine still runs out of the stuff? Something is seriously wrong somewhere when code does this. I know memory is cheap and all, but still ... that's just excessive

Re: [gentoo-user] invalid argument when trying to modprobe nvidia module

2011-01-17 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Monday 17 January 2011 02:28:57 Dale wrote: Peter, you got something weird going on with your system? Maybe I have, or did have at one time. I'll try it again at the next update. Thanks for the info. -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.

Re: [gentoo-user] invalid argument when trying to modprobe nvidia module

2011-01-17 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 16 January 2011 15:32:03 Alan McKinnon wrote: Logic tells me you likely have something dodgy local to your machine as you are the only one so this would be a good point to post the error output you get. As I said to Dale, I'll check at the next upgrade. Thanks anyway. -- Rgds

Re: [gentoo-user] Near freezes during large emerges

2011-01-17 Thread William Kenworthy
On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 09:22 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:07:45 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I have a diskless 3GB ram atom system (mythtv frontend) and I have to arrange swap over nbd for gcc and glibc emerges - others just get very slow when getting to limits, or

Re: [gentoo-user] Near freezes during large emerges

2011-01-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:40:15 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: If it's diskless, where are /tmp and /var/tmp mounted? If they use tmpfs the memory usage is understandable. If they use NFS the emerges must be unbearably slow. For normal usage, they are in tmpfs along with portage but I mount

Re: [gentoo-user] Near freezes during large emerges

2011-01-17 Thread William Kenworthy
On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 12:38 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:40:15 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: If it's diskless, where are /tmp and /var/tmp mounted? If they use tmpfs the memory usage is understandable. If they use NFS the emerges must be unbearably slow. For

Re: [gentoo-user] Firmware loading problem

2011-01-17 Thread meino . cramer
Hi Daniel, Daniel Pielmeier bil...@gentoo.org [11-01-17 17:03]: 2011/1/17 meino.cra...@gmx.de: I am running a vanilla linux kernel version 2.6.37 . Furthermore in    /lib/firmware there is a folder called    av7110 which I think contains the firmware for that card. I

Re: [gentoo-user] modprobe warnings

2011-01-17 Thread Marius Vaitiekunas
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 8:48 PM, David Relson rel...@osagesoftware.comwrote: My /etc/modprobe.d directory is under configuration management using subversion. Whenever modprobe runs, it reads the files in the .svn directory and complains about all the stuff it doesn't understand, for example:

[gentoo-user] Microcode update AMD

2011-01-17 Thread meino . cramer
Hi, I have two questions: 1) Do I have to enable microcode updates in the BIOS of my Crosshair IV Formula to activate microcodes push in the CPU by the module microcode ? (AMD Phenom X6 1090T) 2) Does anyone know, what these microcodes do? They are fixes for... ...what? Thank

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: No HW acceleraton on radeon Mobility X300 with linux-2.6.36-r5, mesa-7.9, xorg-server-1.9.2 and video-ati-6.13.2

2011-01-17 Thread Mick
On 16 January 2011 22:30, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 01/16/2011 05:18 PM, Daniel Tihelka wrote: Hallo, after update to 2.6.36-r5 kernel, xorg 1.9.2, mesa-7.9 and xf86-video- ati-6.13.2 (all from gentoo portage), the hw graphics acceleration stopped working. The problem

Re: [gentoo-user] Microcode update AMD

2011-01-17 Thread BRM
- Original Message I have two questions: 1) Do I have to enable microcode updates in the BIOS of my Crosshair IV Formula to activate microcodes push in the CPU by the module microcode ? (AMD Phenom X6 1090T) Not sure about BIOS, but the Linux Kernel you are running

[gentoo-user] Re: dynamic libraries - tree view ?

2011-01-17 Thread walt
On 01/17/2011 12:22 AM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, on one of my machines, googleearth crashes. An ldd /opt/googleearth/googleearth.bin | grep crypto shows that it tries to load both /usr/lib32/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 and /usr/lib32/libcrypto.so.1.0.0 On a different machine it only loads

Re: [gentoo-user] Microcode update AMD

2011-01-17 Thread meino . cramer
BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com [11-01-17 19:16]: - Original Message I have two questions: 1) Do I have to enable microcode updates in the BIOS of my Crosshair IV Formula to activate microcodes push in the CPU by the module microcode ? (AMD Phenom X6 1090T) Not sure

Re: [gentoo-user] Microcode update AMD

2011-01-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:10 AM, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote: - Original Message I have two questions:  1) Do I have to enable microcode  updates in the BIOS of my Crosshair     IV Formula to activate  microcodes push in the CPU by the module     microcode ? (AMD  Phenom X6

Re: [gentoo-user] Microcode update AMD

2011-01-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Monday 17 January 2011 18:21:48 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I have two questions: 1) Do I have to enable microcode updates in the BIOS of my Crosshair IV Formula to activate microcodes push in the CPU by the module microcode ? (AMD Phenom X6 1090T) you ALWAYS have to

Re: [gentoo-user] Microcode update AMD

2011-01-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Monday 17 January 2011 10:48:36 Mark Knecht wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:10 AM, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote: - Original Message I have two questions: 1) Do I have to enable microcode updates in the BIOS of my Crosshair IV Formula to activate microcodes

Re: [gentoo-user] Microcode update AMD

2011-01-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Monday 17 January 2011 19:34:08 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com [11-01-17 19:16]: - Original Message I have two questions: 1) Do I have to enable microcode updates in the BIOS of my Crosshair IV Formula to activate microcodes push in

Re: [gentoo-user] disk error, where?

2011-01-17 Thread meino . cramer
Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at [11-01-17 20:04]: Would someone help me out on this issue? I have a flaky disk in a server, and dmesg says: end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 1835240116 Now i have this layout: # fdisk -l /dev/sdb Disk /dev/sdb: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016

Re: [gentoo-user] Microcode update AMD

2011-01-17 Thread meino . cramer
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com [11-01-17 20:16]: On Monday 17 January 2011 18:21:48 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I have two questions: 1) Do I have to enable microcode updates in the BIOS of my Crosshair IV Formula to activate microcodes push in the CPU by

Re: [gentoo-user] disk error, where?

2011-01-17 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 17.01.2011 20:15, schrieb meino.cra...@gmx.de: When switched to display sector units it is only a matter of counting to find the partition in question I would guess... Errm, yes, I thought of this as well, as always *after* posting to the ML. # fdisk -l -u /dev/sdb [..] /dev/sdb4

Re: [gentoo-user] Microcode update AMD

2011-01-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Monday 17 January 2011 20:19:04 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com [11-01-17 20:16]: On Monday 17 January 2011 18:21:48 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I have two questions: 1) Do I have to enable microcode updates in the BIOS of my

Re: [gentoo-user] disk error, where?

2011-01-17 Thread meino . cramer
Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at [11-01-17 20:44]: Am 17.01.2011 20:15, schrieb meino.cra...@gmx.de: When switched to display sector units it is only a matter of counting to find the partition in question I would guess... Errm, yes, I thought of this as well, as always *after* posting

Re: [gentoo-user] Microcode update AMD

2011-01-17 Thread meino . cramer
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com [11-01-17 20:52]: On Monday 17 January 2011 20:19:04 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com [11-01-17 20:16]: On Monday 17 January 2011 18:21:48 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I have two

Re: [gentoo-user] disk error, where?

2011-01-17 Thread Alex Schuster
Stefan G. Weichinger writes: Would someone help me out on this issue? I have a flaky disk in a server, and dmesg says: end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 1835240116 Uh-oh. I suggest emerging badblocks, and then do a 'badblocks /dev/sdb' to see which and how many blocks are

Re: [gentoo-user] Microcode update AMD

2011-01-17 Thread Jason Weisberger
As he said in the previous message, there are almost never changelogs for microcode updates. I do, however, have to disagree with *never* disabling microcode updates. If I recall properly, the AMD Phenom II 720 was able to be unlocked to 4 cores via a misconfiguration that enabled it with ACC.

Re: [gentoo-user] Microcode update AMD

2011-01-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:57 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: SNIP So...why should I try unknown code patched into my CPU. It looks like install this virus from the security point of view, doesn't ist? That was my point. I think the idea Volker is suggesting is the micro-code updates go from

Re: [gentoo-user] disk error, where?

2011-01-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 17.01.2011 20:15, schrieb meino.cra...@gmx.de: When switched to display sector units it is only a matter of counting to find the partition in question I would guess... Errm, yes, I thought of this as well, as

Re: [gentoo-user] disk error, where?

2011-01-17 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 2011-01-17 21:15, schrieb Mark Knecht: It appears that the partition is part of a RAID? Has the RAID itself protected you? Can you fail the drive, remove it, from the RAID, buy a new drive and get going again? I think any RAID other than RAID0 will withstand a single drive failure. right?

Re: [gentoo-user] disk error, where?

2011-01-17 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 2011-01-17 21:13, schrieb Alex Schuster: Uh-oh. I suggest emerging badblocks, and then do a 'badblocks /dev/sdb' to see which and how many blocks are defective. You can also replace sdb by sdb6 or whatever partition you are specifically interested in. You also might want to use the -n

Re: [gentoo-user] disk error, where?

2011-01-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Monday 17 January 2011 19:59:57 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Would someone help me out on this issue? I have a flaky disk in a server, and dmesg says: end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 1835240116 Now i have this layout: # fdisk -l /dev/sdb Disk /dev/sdb: 1000.2 GB,

Re: [gentoo-user] Microcode update AMD

2011-01-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Monday 17 January 2011 15:13:54 Jason Weisberger wrote: As he said in the previous message, there are almost never changelogs for microcode updates. I do, however, have to disagree with *never* disabling microcode updates. If I recall properly, the AMD Phenom II 720 was able to be

Re: [gentoo-user] Microcode update AMD

2011-01-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Monday 17 January 2011 12:12:08 Mark Knecht wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:57 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: SNIP So...why should I try unknown code patched into my CPU. It looks like install this virus from the security point of view, doesn't ist? That was my point. I

Re: [gentoo-user] disk error, where?

2011-01-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Monday 17 January 2011 21:46:39 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 2011-01-17 21:13, schrieb Alex Schuster: Uh-oh. I suggest emerging badblocks, and then do a 'badblocks /dev/sdb' to see which and how many blocks are defective. You can also replace sdb by sdb6 or whatever partition you are

Re: [gentoo-user] Firmware loading problem

2011-01-17 Thread Daniel Pielmeier
meino.cra...@gmx.de schrieb am 17.01.2011 17:12: The problem is, that the channel selection does not work in a proper way: Suppose you have the channels: A B C D E F G * * = currently selected channel Now (in vlc) you press N for next. B gets selected. N...nothing happens. N D

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: No HW acceleraton on radeon Mobility X300 with linux-2.6.36-r5, mesa-7.9, xorg-server-1.9.2 and video-ati-6.13.2

2011-01-17 Thread Daniel Tihelka
On Monday 17 January 2011 18:30:02 Mick wrote: On 16 January 2011 22:30, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: Then, try deleting your xorg.conf (if you have one) and do: eselect mesa set r300 gallium Also make sure that mesa is emerged with the video_cards_r300 USE flag

Re: [gentoo-user] Microcode update AMD

2011-01-17 Thread Jason Weisberger
The word probably implies that you have no idea what the statistics were on getting a perfectly good core were or why they disabled entire batches of cores based on an error from one. You are just overdriving your point. If he doesn't want to enable updation of microcode, it won't hurt anything.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: No HW acceleraton on radeon Mobility X300 with linux-2.6.36-r5, mesa-7.9, xorg-server-1.9.2 and video-ati-6.13.2

2011-01-17 Thread Daniel Tihelka
Hallo Mick. Thank you very much - it helped. Removing 'video=vesafb:ywrap,mtrr:3 vga=792' from kernel boot options, and framebuffer-related stuff in kernel config, especially: # CONFIG_FB_DDC is not set # CONFIG_FB_BOOT_VESA_SUPPORT is not set # CONFIG_FB_BACKLIGHT is not set #

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: No HW acceleraton on radeon Mobility X300 with linux-2.6.36-r5, mesa-7.9, xorg-server-1.9.2 and video-ati-6.13.2

2011-01-17 Thread Daniel Tihelka
On Monday 17 January 2011 18:30:02 Mick wrote: On 16 January 2011 22:30, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: Then, try deleting your xorg.conf (if you have one) and do: eselect mesa set r300 gallium Also make sure that mesa is emerged with the video_cards_r300 USE flag enabled.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: No HW acceleraton on radeon Mobility X300 with linux-2.6.36-r5, mesa-7.9, xorg-server-1.9.2 and video-ati-6.13.2

2011-01-17 Thread Daniel Tihelka
Hallo Mick. Thank you very much - it helped. Removing 'video=vesafb:ywrap,mtrr:3 vga=792' from kernel boot options, and framebuffer-related stuff in kernel config, especially: # CONFIG_FB_DDC is not set # CONFIG_FB_BOOT_VESA_SUPPORT is not set # CONFIG_FB_BACKLIGHT is not set #

Re: [gentoo-user] Near freezes during large emerges

2011-01-17 Thread kashani
On 1/17/2011 12:29 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Not so much :-) I too have db servers with 96G of ram. 5 of them, so I'm current. I'm just gobsmacked that a desktop needs 3G to build a compiler and system libs. It's consuming 2G to do that, I'll bet that 1.75G of that is pure wastage. Much like

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: No HW acceleraton on radeon Mobility X300 with linux-2.6.36-r5, mesa-7.9, xorg-server-1.9.2 and video-ati-6.13.2

2011-01-17 Thread Mick
On Monday 17 January 2011 22:31:14 Daniel Tihelka wrote: Hallo Mick. Thank you very much - it helped. Removing 'video=vesafb:ywrap,mtrr:3 vga=792' from kernel boot options, and framebuffer-related stuff in kernel config, especially: You can have enabled the following: CONFIG_FB=y #

Re: [gentoo-user] disk error, where?

2011-01-17 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 2011-01-17 21:47, schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: On Monday 17 January 2011 19:59:57 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Would someone help me out on this issue? I have a flaky disk in a server, and dmesg says: end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 1835240116 Now i have this layout: # fdisk

Re: [gentoo-user] Microcode update AMD

2011-01-17 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Monday 17 January 2011 16:59:26 Jason Weisberger wrote: The word probably implies that you have no idea what the statistics were on getting a perfectly good core were or why they disabled entire batches of cores based on an error from one. You are just overdriving your point. If he

Re: [gentoo-user] Near freezes during large emerges

2011-01-17 Thread Mick
On Monday 17 January 2011 22:45:39 kashani wrote: On 1/17/2011 12:29 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Not so much :-) I too have db servers with 96G of ram. 5 of them, so I'm current. I'm just gobsmacked that a desktop needs 3G to build a compiler and system libs. It's consuming 2G to do that,

Re: [gentoo-user] Near freezes during large emerges

2011-01-17 Thread Mick
On Monday 17 January 2011 12:38:56 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:40:15 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: If it's diskless, where are /tmp and /var/tmp mounted? If they use tmpfs the memory usage is understandable. If they use NFS the emerges must be unbearably slow. For

Re: [gentoo-user] Near freezes during large emerges

2011-01-17 Thread Grant
I think the idea is never use swap if possible, but in a case where you don't have swap space or run out of swap space I think it's still possible to lose data. Isn't swap just an extension of system memory? Isn't adding 4GB of memory just as effective at preventing out-of-memory as

Re: [gentoo-user] Near freezes during large emerges

2011-01-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 23:44:59 +, Mick wrote: So root is on another (more powerful?) machine and mounted over NFS? Why not chroot into the root on the host machine and run the emerge there? Is there a howto for this somewhere please? It's just the same as if you'd booted from a live

Re: [gentoo-user] Near freezes during large emerges

2011-01-17 Thread kashani
On 1/17/2011 4:23 PM, Grant wrote: I think the idea is never use swap if possible, but in a case where you don't have swap space or run out of swap space I think it's still possible to lose data. Isn't swap just an extension of system memory? Isn't adding 4GB of memory just as effective at

Re: [gentoo-user] Near freezes during large emerges

2011-01-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I think the idea is never use swap if possible, but in a case where you don't have swap space or run out of swap space I think it's still possible to lose data. Isn't swap just an extension of system memory?  Isn't adding 4GB

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: No HW acceleraton on radeon Mobility X300 with linux-2.6.36-r5, mesa-7.9, xorg-server-1.9.2 and video-ati-6.13.2

2011-01-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Daniel Tihelka dtihe...@gmail.com wrote: Hallo  Mick. Thank you very much - it helped. Removing 'video=vesafb:ywrap,mtrr:3 vga=792' from kernel boot options, and framebuffer-related stuff in kernel config, especially: # CONFIG_FB_DDC is not set #

Re: [gentoo-user] Firmware loading problem

2011-01-17 Thread meino . cramer
Daniel Pielmeier bil...@gentoo.org [11-01-18 03:13]: meino.cra...@gmx.de schrieb am 17.01.2011 17:12: The problem is, that the channel selection does not work in a proper way: Suppose you have the channels: A B C D E F G * * = currently selected channel Now (in vlc) you

Re: [gentoo-user] Near freezes during large emerges

2011-01-17 Thread Dale
Grant wrote: I think the idea is never use swap if possible, but in a case where you don't have swap space or run out of swap space I think it's still possible to lose data. Isn't swap just an extension of system memory? Isn't adding 4GB of memory just as effective at preventing

Re: [gentoo-user] Microcode update AMD

2011-01-17 Thread William Kenworthy
On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 20:46 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Monday 17 January 2011 20:19:04 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com [11-01-17 20:16]: On Monday 17 January 2011 18:21:48 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I have two questions:

Re: [gentoo-user] Near freezes during large emerges

2011-01-17 Thread William Kenworthy
On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 16:23 -0800, Grant wrote: I think the idea is never use swap if possible, but in a case where you don't have swap space or run out of swap space I think it's still possible to lose data. Isn't swap just an extension of system memory? Isn't adding 4GB of memory just