Re: [gentoo-user] merging or fitting images together

2012-05-17 Thread Pandu Poluan
On May 17, 2012 1:07 PM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote:


 On 17 May 2012, at 05:34, Philip Webb wrote:
  ...
  Please do (smile)  send me the result off-list
  with the steps you followed to get there.

 I have been really enjoying following this thread.

 I felt sure from previous reading on Hugin that it was the correct
approach, but when I tried it my results were not very successful and I
never got around to improving on them.

 I would love it if this could be kept on-list.


Same!

Rgds,


Re: [gentoo-user] merging or fitting images together

2012-05-17 Thread Philip Webb
120517 Pandu Poluan wrote:
 On May 17, 2012 1:07 PM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
 On 17 May 2012, at 05:34, Philip Webb wrote:
 Please do (smile)  send me the result off-list
 with the steps you followed to get there.
 I have been really enjoying following this thread.
 I felt sure from previous reading on Hugin
 that it was the correct approach, but when I tried it
 my results were not very successful  I never got round to improving them.
 I would love it if this could be kept on-list.
 Same!

Yes, I suspect this is of interest to a number of people.
It's the images themselves which need to be kept off-list:
mine cb found at the I/net site mentioned.

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[gentoo-user] anybody using openvas here?

2012-05-17 Thread Konstantinos Agouros
Hi,

after the last nvt-sync I can not login. Openvasad and md.log give me:
'Authentication information could not be loaded'.
Anybody got an idea how to get around this? I tried openvasmd --rebuild and 
--update both didn't help.

Regards,

Konstantin
-- 
Dipl-Inf. Konstantin Agouros aka Elwood Blues. Internet: elw...@agouros.de
Altersheimerstr. 1, 81545 Muenchen, Germany. Tel +49 89 69370185

Captain, this ship will not survive the forming of the cosmos. B'Elana Torres



Re: [gentoo-user] I want to play movies without hangs

2012-05-17 Thread Alex Schuster
Michael Mol wrote:

 On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org
 wrote:

[about showing which processes use how much swap]

  Michael Mol writes:
[...]
  sys-process/htop
 
  Huh? I only see the total amount of swap being used, but no entry per
  process.
 
 Hit F2, and go down to 'columns'. Anything per-process found under
 /proc can be added as a column.

Whoa! This is amazing, I did not know that htop can do all this. Thanks!

But I still cannot get it to display the swap used by processes. When I
add NSWAP and CNSWAP columns, they are not displayed. I found some
information on that, looks to me like this is not really supported:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/479953/how-to-find-out-which-processes-are-swapping-in-linux
http://wiki.directi.com/display/tu/Understanding+Processes+in+Linux

Wonko



Re: [gentoo-user] I want to play movies without hangs

2012-05-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote:
SNIP
 sys-process/htop

 Huh? I only see the total amount of swap being used, but no entry per
 process.

 Hit F2, and go down to 'columns'. Anything per-process found under
 /proc can be added as a column.

 --
 :wq


Anything in there show network through-put per process? I've been
looking for a way to monitor what's going to each of my VMs?

Cheers,
Mark



Re: [gentoo-user] I want to play movies without hangs

2012-05-17 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote:
 SNIP
 sys-process/htop

 Huh? I only see the total amount of swap being used, but no entry per
 process.

 Hit F2, and go down to 'columns'. Anything per-process found under
 /proc can be added as a column.

 Anything in there show network through-put per process? I've been
 looking for a way to monitor what's going to each of my VMs?

NAFAIK. Though if you get a kernel patch that gets per-process socket
auditing added, then it should show up. :)

I usually use iftop for watching flows. There's another tool I
installed which handles some things (such as IPv6) better, but inara
and kaylee are still down, so I can't peek at their world files to
find out what it was.

-- 
:wq



Re: [gentoo-user] I want to play movies without hangs

2012-05-17 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote:
 SNIP
 sys-process/htop

 Huh? I only see the total amount of swap being used, but no entry per
 process.

 Hit F2, and go down to 'columns'. Anything per-process found under
 /proc can be added as a column.

 Anything in there show network through-put per process? I've been
 looking for a way to monitor what's going to each of my VMs?

 NAFAIK. Though if you get a kernel patch that gets per-process socket
 auditing added, then it should show up. :)

 I usually use iftop for watching flows. There's another tool I
 installed which handles some things (such as IPv6) better, but inara
 and kaylee are still down, so I can't peek at their world files to
 find out what it was.

 --
 :wq


Thanks. iftop is interesting but seems more focused on the provider of
the media source and less on the sink. I also use nettop to watch
overall bitrates but I suspect you have that one also.

Assume I have 3 VMs running and they are all streaming media.
VM1-Netflix, VM2-Hulu, VM3-Amazon, etc. What I'm really interested
in is something that would tell me how much bandwidth each VM is
getting. Per-process would almost certainly do that, and maybe that's
what I'll eventually have to do, but I'm hoping to find some little
app that maybe someone has put together.

Thanks,
Mark



Re: [gentoo-user] ffmpeg and libav

2012-05-17 Thread john
On Thu, 17 May 2012 02:43:17 +0100
Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote:

 
 On 16 May 2012, at 23:29, john wrote:
  ...
  I have changed by use flag for ffmpeg to include theora. When i try
  emerge I get the following
  
  [blocks B  ] media-video/ffmpeg (media-video/ffmpeg is
  blocking media-video/libav-0.8.2)
  
  * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
  * installed at the same time on the same system.
  
   (media-video/ffmpeg-0.10.2::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
   pulled in by media-video/ffmpeg required by @selected
  
   (media-video/libav-0.8.2::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
  pulled in by
  =media-video/libav-0.8.1[X,encode,-jpeg2k,-mp3,-sdl,-theora,-threads,-truetype,-vaapi,-vdpau,-x264]
   required by (virtual/ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for
   merge)
 
 In addition to Alan's answer, note here that the above output lists
 media-video/ffmpeg and also virtual/ffmpeg.
 
 Unless you only installed ffmpeg for the first time recently then I'd
 guess you originally installed media-video/ffmpeg (and that's what
 you have in your world file).
 
 If you were to install ffmpeg today you would install virtual/ffmpeg
 instead, which is provided by either media-video/ffmpeg or
 media-video/libav.
 
 Best thing to do is to remove video/ffmpeg from world in favour of
 virtual/ffmpeg so that Portage can work things out for itself. 
 
 Stroller.
 
 
Thanks for the advice. Have removed media-video/ffmpeg and emerge
virtual/ffmpeg which is allowing me to emerge virtual/ffmpeg and libav.

I suppose if I wanted to use media-video/ffmpeg and I could mask libav.

Thanks for your help. I see this is allowing you to choose
between libav and ffmpeg. The value of virtual packages. 


Regards


-- 
John D Maunder



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-17 Thread Michael Scherer
On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:41:32 +0700
Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:

 On May 15, 2012 7:50 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:
 
  http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml
 
  I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a bit
  tho. Someone put alum in your water or something?
 
 
 I blabbed that much??
 
 Gee... I purposefully stay away from piping up in threads related to
 CUPS, KDE, Gnome, and other desktop-only stuff, and still end up in
 the top 5?? o_O
 
 Rgds,

OK, OK. May I remind you what started this thread?
If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will
of course comply, though with outlook express which I'm
forced to use most of the time this is a bit tedious.
I had no idea what a flood of angry comments my post
on preferring top-most would start off.

My original problem (see title) is as yet unsolved. Any one
out there with an idea what might be causing this?
I'm grateful to those 3 or 4 who tried to help, but
by now I'm rather desperate and in the whole of internet
pages there is nothing even coming near.

bugzilla told me this wasn't a bug and go to the forums.
So you are really my last resort.

regards, michael



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-17 Thread Dale
Michael Scherer wrote:
 On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:41:32 +0700
 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
 
 On May 15, 2012 7:50 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:

 http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml

 I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a bit
 tho. Someone put alum in your water or something?


 I blabbed that much??

 Gee... I purposefully stay away from piping up in threads related to
 CUPS, KDE, Gnome, and other desktop-only stuff, and still end up in
 the top 5?? o_O

 Rgds,
 
 OK, OK. May I remind you what started this thread?
 If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will
 of course comply, though with outlook express which I'm
 forced to use most of the time this is a bit tedious.
 I had no idea what a flood of angry comments my post
 on preferring top-most would start off.
 
 My original problem (see title) is as yet unsolved. Any one
 out there with an idea what might be causing this?
 I'm grateful to those 3 or 4 who tried to help, but
 by now I'm rather desperate and in the whole of internet
 pages there is nothing even coming near.
 
 bugzilla told me this wasn't a bug and go to the forums.
 So you are really my last resort.
 
 regards, michael
 
 


I would start with running make -j1  make modules_install.  Someone
else posted it could be a race condition.

Are you editing the config by hand or are you using menuconfig or some
such tool?  If editing by hand maybe one thing is enabled but something
else it needs is not.

Still thinking.

Dale

:-)  :-)


-- 
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or
how you interpreted my words!

Miss the compile output?  Hint:
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-17 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 17 May 2012 18:14:20 +0200, Michael Scherer wrote:

 I had no idea what a flood of angry comments my post
 on preferring top-most would start off.

It wasn't your preference, it was your attitude, with this comment

from now on I'm going follow my habits and damn the flames.

Did you really have no idea that such an arrogant and inflammatory
statement would produce a reaction?


-- 
Neil Bothwick

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Re: [gentoo-user] In X: up wants to save screenshot. How do I stop this?

2012-05-17 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hello, Paul.

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 05:30:50PM -0500, Paul Hartman wrote:
 On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
  Hi, Gentoo!

  Just this past hour, I've noticed that in Gnome 2, any depression of
  up wants to create a .png image of my current desktop.  This is
  regardless of which application is currently active.  This is
  particularly irritating in Firefox, where I want up to scroll the
  screen.

  I suspect this might have been caused by a recent update to the ?event
  library (I can't remember exactly what this was).

  I hate it when people do clever things like this.  How can I make it
  stop?

 I would downgrade to previous version of the evdev driver and see if
 it helps.

I do
emerge =dev-libs/libevent-2.0.16
and restart X windows.  Everything now works properly.  (The recently
emerged libevent was 2.0.18.)

 Or disable/change the shortcut for print screen as a
 temporary workaround.

I tried this (in Gnome 2) with System/Preferences/Keyboard
Shortcuts/Desktop/Take a screenshot.  It was set to Print and I left
it there.

Similarly, Take a screenshot of a window was set to Alt+Print.
Typing Alt+up triggered this.

I think there's something wrong with libevent-2.0.18.  Does anybody get
problems in KDE or XFCE?

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).



Re: [gentoo-user] In X: up wants to save screenshot. How do I stop this?

2012-05-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thu, 17 May 2012 17:24:57 +
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:

 Hello, Paul.
 
 On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 05:30:50PM -0500, Paul Hartman wrote:
  On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote:
   Hi, Gentoo!
 
   Just this past hour, I've noticed that in Gnome 2, any depression
   of up wants to create a .png image of my current desktop.  This
   is regardless of which application is currently active.  This is
   particularly irritating in Firefox, where I want up to scroll
   the screen.
 
   I suspect this might have been caused by a recent update to
   the ?event library (I can't remember exactly what this was).
 
   I hate it when people do clever things like this.  How can I
   make it stop?
 
  I would downgrade to previous version of the evdev driver and see if
  it helps.
 
 I do
 emerge =dev-libs/libevent-2.0.16
 and restart X windows.  Everything now works properly.  (The recently
 emerged libevent was 2.0.18.)
 
  Or disable/change the shortcut for print screen as a
  temporary workaround.
 
 I tried this (in Gnome 2) with System/Preferences/Keyboard
 Shortcuts/Desktop/Take a screenshot.  It was set to Print and I left
 it there.
 
 Similarly, Take a screenshot of a window was set to Alt+Print.
 Typing Alt+up triggered this.
 
 I think there's something wrong with libevent-2.0.18.  Does anybody
 get problems in KDE or XFCE?
 

No problems with KDE-4.8.3 and libevent-2.0.19 here

libevent-2.0.19 was merged here 5 May and libevent-2.0.18 on 26 Mar. In
all that time I never noticed anything strange with screenshots. So it
must be a gnome-specific bug



-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-17 Thread Tanstaafl

On 2012-05-17 12:14 PM, Michael Scherer a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at wrote:

If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will of course
comply, though with outlook express which I'm forced to use most of
the time this is a bit tedious.


Interesting... so, you have someone standing next to you most of the 
time, pointing a gun at your head, forcing you to use one of the worst 
mail clients that ever existed?




Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-17 Thread Pandu Poluan
On May 17, 2012 11:19 PM, Michael Scherer a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at
wrote:

 On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:41:32 +0700
 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:

  On May 15, 2012 7:50 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:
  
   http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml
  
   I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a bit
   tho. Someone put alum in your water or something?
  
 
  I blabbed that much??
 
  Gee... I purposefully stay away from piping up in threads related to
  CUPS, KDE, Gnome, and other desktop-only stuff, and still end up in
  the top 5?? o_O
 
  Rgds,

 OK, OK. May I remind you what started this thread?
 If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will
 of course comply, though with outlook express which I'm
 forced to use most of the time this is a bit tedious.
 I had no idea what a flood of angry comments my post
 on preferring top-most would start off.

 My original problem (see title) is as yet unsolved. Any one
 out there with an idea what might be causing this?
 I'm grateful to those 3 or 4 who tried to help, but
 by now I'm rather desperate and in the whole of internet
 pages there is nothing even coming near.

 bugzilla told me this wasn't a bug and go to the forums.
 So you are really my last resort.

 regards, michael


Based on the information you've given, there can be only 2 possible cause:

1. The Makefile is somehow b0rken.

Evidence : 'ls' instead of 'ld'

2. Some file creation failed, causing the next step to fail.

Please post the output of 'df -i'. I once ran out of inodes during kernel
compile, even when the filesystem (ext4) was created with IIRC
100'000-something inodes (and still having several gigabytes of free
space).

Nowadays, I put /usr/src and portage's tempdir on a reiserfs to prevent
running out of inodes.

3. Something is wrong with your filesystem.

Especially if /usr/src is *already* on reiserfs. In this case, boot using
SystemRescueCD and do an offline fsck on the partition containing /usr/src

4. Swapfile / Swap partition problems.

Even with enough RAM, sometimes gcc just wants a swap. Post the output of
'swapon -s' please.

And there's also the possibility that somehow the swap gets b0rked. Try
turning off swap, rebuild the swap, and turning it back on.

Rgds,


Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-17 Thread Michael Scherer
On Thu, 17 May 2012 18:13:14 +0100
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:

 On Thu, 17 May 2012 18:14:20 +0200, Michael Scherer wrote:
 
  I had no idea what a flood of angry comments my post
  on preferring top-most would start off.
 
 It wasn't your preference, it was your attitude, with this comment
 
 from now on I'm going follow my habits and damn the flames.
 
 Did you really have no idea that such an arrogant and inflammatory
 statement would produce a reaction?
 
 

That line was indeed ill conceived, and is usually not my style.
Probably I was very tired and the frustration about not being
able to solve my problem expressed itself in the wrong context.

regards, michael
 



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-17 Thread ny6p01
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 01:47:56PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
 On 2012-05-17 12:14 PM, Michael Scherer a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at wrote:
  If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will of course
  comply, though with outlook express which I'm forced to use most of
  the time this is a bit tedious.
 
 Interesting... so, you have someone standing next to you most of the 
 time, pointing a gun at your head, forcing you to use one of the worst 
 mail clients that ever existed?
 

How befitting that MS's flagship email client top posts by default...

Terry



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-17 Thread Michael Scherer
On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:05:07 -0500
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Michael Scherer wrote:
  On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:41:32 +0700
  Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
  
  On May 15, 2012 7:50 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:
 
  http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml
 
  I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a bit
  tho. Someone put alum in your water or something?
 
 
  I blabbed that much??
 
  Gee... I purposefully stay away from piping up in threads related
  to CUPS, KDE, Gnome, and other desktop-only stuff, and still end
  up in the top 5?? o_O
 
  Rgds,
  
  OK, OK. May I remind you what started this thread?
  If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will
  of course comply, though with outlook express which I'm
  forced to use most of the time this is a bit tedious.
  I had no idea what a flood of angry comments my post
  on preferring top-most would start off.
  
  My original problem (see title) is as yet unsolved. Any one
  out there with an idea what might be causing this?
  I'm grateful to those 3 or 4 who tried to help, but
  by now I'm rather desperate and in the whole of internet
  pages there is nothing even coming near.
  
  bugzilla told me this wasn't a bug and go to the forums.
  So you are really my last resort.
  
  regards, michael
  
  
 
 
 I would start with running make -j1  make modules_install.  Someone
 else posted it could be a race condition.
 
 Are you editing the config by hand or are you using menuconfig or some
 such tool?  If editing by hand maybe one thing is enabled but
 something else it needs is not.
 
 Still thinking.
 
 Dale
 
 :-)  :-)
 
 

Same result as ever. I use make nconfig, which is somewhat easier
to navigate around. Only once I tried to manually change .config,
because revdep-rebuild wanted to rebuild sys-fs/udisks, which
complained about CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND not being set, but a silent
make oldconfig removed the line automatically. I did the change
manually because CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND doesn't seem to exist in 3.2.12.

Anyway, thank you for thinking about it.

regards, michael



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-17 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:14:08 -0700
ny6...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 01:47:56PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
  On 2012-05-17 12:14 PM, Michael Scherer
  a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at wrote:
   If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will of course
   comply, though with outlook express which I'm forced to use most
   of the time this is a bit tedious.
  
  Interesting... so, you have someone standing next to you most of
  the time, pointing a gun at your head, forcing you to use one of
  the worst mail clients that ever existed?
  
 
 How befitting that MS's flagship email client top posts by default...


Outlook Express? Not even MS would attach the label flagship to
Outlook Express.

Mind you, Outlook is infernally difficult to make it inter-port or
bottom-post. Like gmail's web clientt, there's a lot of fiddling with
backspace, delete, undo and cursor keys involved.



-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-17 Thread Michael Scherer
On Thu, 17 May 2012 13:47:56 -0400
Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:

 On 2012-05-17 12:14 PM, Michael Scherer a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at
 wrote:
  If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will of course
  comply, though with outlook express which I'm forced to use most of
  the time this is a bit tedious.
 
 Interesting... so, you have someone standing next to you most of the 
 time, pointing a gun at your head, forcing you to use one of the
 worst mail clients that ever existed?
 

thunderbird under windows has problems with imap accounts and outlook
is still much worse, not to speak of gmail and the like. With forced
I actually meant forced to work with windows, where I use outlook
express which may be bad but I am used to it.

regards, michael



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-17 Thread Michael Scherer
On Fri, 18 May 2012 01:06:02 +0700
Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:

 On May 17, 2012 11:19 PM, Michael Scherer
 a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at wrote:
 
  On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:41:32 +0700
  Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
 
   On May 15, 2012 7:50 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
   
Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:
   
http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml
   
I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a bit
tho. Someone put alum in your water or something?
   
  
   I blabbed that much??
  
   Gee... I purposefully stay away from piping up in threads related
   to CUPS, KDE, Gnome, and other desktop-only stuff, and still end
   up in the top 5?? o_O
  
   Rgds,
 
  OK, OK. May I remind you what started this thread?
  If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will
  of course comply, though with outlook express which I'm
  forced to use most of the time this is a bit tedious.
  I had no idea what a flood of angry comments my post
  on preferring top-most would start off.
 
  My original problem (see title) is as yet unsolved. Any one
  out there with an idea what might be causing this?
  I'm grateful to those 3 or 4 who tried to help, but
  by now I'm rather desperate and in the whole of internet
  pages there is nothing even coming near.
 
  bugzilla told me this wasn't a bug and go to the forums.
  So you are really my last resort.
 
  regards, michael
 
 
 Based on the information you've given, there can be only 2 possible
 cause:
 
 1. The Makefile is somehow b0rken.
 
 Evidence : 'ls' instead of 'ld'
 
 2. Some file creation failed, causing the next step to fail.
 
 Please post the output of 'df -i'. I once ran out of inodes during
 kernel compile, even when the filesystem (ext4) was created with IIRC
 100'000-something inodes (and still having several gigabytes of free
 space).
 
 Nowadays, I put /usr/src and portage's tempdir on a reiserfs to
 prevent running out of inodes.
 
 3. Something is wrong with your filesystem.
 
 Especially if /usr/src is *already* on reiserfs. In this case, boot
 using SystemRescueCD and do an offline fsck on the partition
 containing /usr/src
 
 4. Swapfile / Swap partition problems.
 
 Even with enough RAM, sometimes gcc just wants a swap. Post the
 output of 'swapon -s' please.
 
 And there's also the possibility that somehow the swap gets b0rked.
 Try turning off swap, rebuild the swap, and turning it back on.
 
 Rgds,

1) make output:

  CHK include/linux/version.h
  CHK include/generated/utsrelease.h
  CALLscripts/checksyscalls.sh
  CHK include/generated/compile.h
  LD  init/mounts.o
ls -Al -m elf_x86_64 -r -o init/mounts.o init/do_mounts.o
init/do_mounts_initrd.o init/mounts.o: No such file or directory
make[1]: *** [init/mounts.o] Error 1
make: *** [init] Error 2

There is an LD, the ls line is part of the error message.

2) df -i

Filesystem  Inodes  IUsed   IFree IUse% Mounted on
rootfs 1313280   5652 13076281% /
/dev/root  1313280   5652 13076281% /
devtmpfs385505785  3847201% /dev
rc-svcdir   385724 63  3856611% /lib64/rc/init.d
/tmpfs  385724  1  3857231% /dev/shm
/dev/sda12  130560 23  1305371% /boot
/dev/sda15 3932656 363434 3569222   10% /usr
/dev/sda16 6119424 275818 58436065% /var

3) /usr/src is ext4, and all ebuilds run without problems.
If something is wrong with the file system, maybe an fsck would
show it, so I'll try that.

4) swapon -s

FilenameTypeSize
UsedPriority /dev/sda13
partition   104823760   -1

immediately after running make.

Remaking the swap area resulted in the same line as above.

But without doubt you are right that mounts.o is not built, for
whatever reason. The build command

init/.do_mounts.o.cmd:cmd_init/do_mounts.o := gcc
-Wp,-MD,init/.do_mounts.o.d -nostdinc
-isystem /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.3/include
-I/usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/arch/x86/include
-Iarch/x86/include/generated -Iinclude
-include /usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/include/linux/kconfig.h
-D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs
-fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Werror-implicit-function-declaration
-Wno-format-security -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks -O2 -m64 -march=k8
-mno-red-zone -mcmodel=kernel -funit-at-a-time
-maccumulate-outgoing-args -fstack-protector -DCONFIG_AS_CFI=1
-DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SIGNAL_FRAME=1 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SECTIONS=1
-DCONFIG_AS_FXSAVEQ=1 -pipe -Wno-sign-compare
-fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -mno-sse -mno-mmx -mno-sse2 -mno-3dnow
-Wframe-larger-than=2048 -fno-omit-frame-pointer
-fno-optimize-sibling-calls -fno-inline-functions-called-once
-Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wno-pointer-sign -fno-strict-overflow
-fconserve-stack -DCC_HAVE_ASM_GOTO -DKBUILD_STR(s)=\#s
-DKBUILD_BASENAME=KBUILD_STR(do_mounts)
-DKBUILD_MODNAME=KBUILD_STR(mounts) -c -o 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-17 Thread Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
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On 17.05.2012 22:13, Michael Scherer wrote:

 
 1) make output:
 
 CHK include/linux/version.h CHK
 include/generated/utsrelease.h CALLscripts/checksyscalls.sh CHK
 include/generated/compile.h LD  init/mounts.o ls -Al -m
 elf_x86_64 -r -o init/mounts.o init/do_mounts.o 
 init/do_mounts_initrd.o init/mounts.o: No such file or directory 
 make[1]: *** [init/mounts.o] Error 1 make: *** [init] Error 2
 
 There is an LD, the ls line is part of the error message.
 

 
 contains a directive to build mounts.o, see second last line, but 
 it for some reason this is ignored. Maybe there is a flaw in that
 command, only I can't find it.
 
 regards, michael
 
 

Have you tried a make clean on your sourcetree?

CHK include/linux/version.h

IS for me one of the first lines I get at all. It seems strange to me
that you get a call to the linker (LD) before even a call to the
compiler (CC).

I'd suggest you try a make clean first and try to build again
afterwards (with -j1 or without a statement for jobs) to rule out race
conditions.

If that doesn't help, move your kernel sources to another directory
and reemerge the sources. Copy your .config (ideally one of a working
tree) and try again. If that doesn't help, try to get a working
default config (like from /proc/config.gz from a live distro).

WKR

Hinnerk
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-17 Thread Michael Scherer
On Thu, 17 May 2012 22:13:02 +0200
Michael Scherer a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at wrote:

 On Fri, 18 May 2012 01:06:02 +0700
 Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
 
  On May 17, 2012 11:19 PM, Michael Scherer
  a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at wrote:
  
   On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:41:32 +0700
   Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
  
On May 15, 2012 7:50 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:

 http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml

 I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a
 bit tho. Someone put alum in your water or something?

   
I blabbed that much??
   
Gee... I purposefully stay away from piping up in threads
related to CUPS, KDE, Gnome, and other desktop-only stuff, and
still end up in the top 5?? o_O
   
Rgds,
  
   OK, OK. May I remind you what started this thread?
   If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will
   of course comply, though with outlook express which I'm
   forced to use most of the time this is a bit tedious.
   I had no idea what a flood of angry comments my post
   on preferring top-most would start off.
  
   My original problem (see title) is as yet unsolved. Any one
   out there with an idea what might be causing this?
   I'm grateful to those 3 or 4 who tried to help, but
   by now I'm rather desperate and in the whole of internet
   pages there is nothing even coming near.
  
   bugzilla told me this wasn't a bug and go to the forums.
   So you are really my last resort.
  
   regards, michael
  
  
  Based on the information you've given, there can be only 2 possible
  cause:
  
  1. The Makefile is somehow b0rken.
  
  Evidence : 'ls' instead of 'ld'
  
  2. Some file creation failed, causing the next step to fail.
  
  Please post the output of 'df -i'. I once ran out of inodes during
  kernel compile, even when the filesystem (ext4) was created with
  IIRC 100'000-something inodes (and still having several gigabytes
  of free space).
  
  Nowadays, I put /usr/src and portage's tempdir on a reiserfs to
  prevent running out of inodes.
  
  3. Something is wrong with your filesystem.
  
  Especially if /usr/src is *already* on reiserfs. In this case, boot
  using SystemRescueCD and do an offline fsck on the partition
  containing /usr/src
  
  4. Swapfile / Swap partition problems.
  
  Even with enough RAM, sometimes gcc just wants a swap. Post the
  output of 'swapon -s' please.
  
  And there's also the possibility that somehow the swap gets b0rked.
  Try turning off swap, rebuild the swap, and turning it back on.
  
  Rgds,
 
 1) make output:
 
   CHK include/linux/version.h
   CHK include/generated/utsrelease.h
   CALLscripts/checksyscalls.sh
   CHK include/generated/compile.h
   LD  init/mounts.o
 ls -Al -m elf_x86_64 -r -o init/mounts.o init/do_mounts.o
 init/do_mounts_initrd.o init/mounts.o: No such file or directory
 make[1]: *** [init/mounts.o] Error 1
 make: *** [init] Error 2
 
 There is an LD, the ls line is part of the error message.
 
 2) df -i
 
 Filesystem  Inodes  IUsed   IFree IUse% Mounted on
 rootfs 1313280   5652 13076281% /
 /dev/root  1313280   5652 13076281% /
 devtmpfs385505785  3847201% /dev
 rc-svcdir   385724 63  3856611% /lib64/rc/init.d
 /tmpfs  385724  1  3857231% /dev/shm
 /dev/sda12  130560 23  1305371% /boot
 /dev/sda15 3932656 363434 3569222   10% /usr
 /dev/sda16 6119424 275818 58436065% /var
 
 3) /usr/src is ext4, and all ebuilds run without problems.
 If something is wrong with the file system, maybe an fsck would
 show it, so I'll try that.
 
 4) swapon -s
 
 Filename  TypeSize
 Used  Priority /dev/sda13
 partition 104823760   -1
 
 immediately after running make.
 
 Remaking the swap area resulted in the same line as above.
 
 But without doubt you are right that mounts.o is not built, for
 whatever reason. The build command
 
 init/.do_mounts.o.cmd:cmd_init/do_mounts.o := gcc
 -Wp,-MD,init/.do_mounts.o.d -nostdinc
 -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.3/include
 -I/usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/arch/x86/include
 -Iarch/x86/include/generated -Iinclude
 -include /usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/include/linux/kconfig.h
 -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs
 -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Werror-implicit-function-declaration
 -Wno-format-security -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks -O2 -m64
 -march=k8 -mno-red-zone -mcmodel=kernel -funit-at-a-time
 -maccumulate-outgoing-args -fstack-protector -DCONFIG_AS_CFI=1
 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SIGNAL_FRAME=1 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SECTIONS=1
 -DCONFIG_AS_FXSAVEQ=1 -pipe -Wno-sign-compare
 -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -mno-sse -mno-mmx -mno-sse2 -mno-3dnow
 -Wframe-larger-than=2048 -fno-omit-frame-pointer
 -fno-optimize-sibling-calls -fno-inline-functions-called-once
 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-17 Thread Alex Schuster
Michael Scherer writes:

 1) make output:
 
   CHK include/linux/version.h
   CHK include/generated/utsrelease.h
   CALLscripts/checksyscalls.sh
   CHK include/generated/compile.h
   LD  init/mounts.o
 ls -Al -m elf_x86_64 -r -o init/mounts.o init/do_mounts.o
 init/do_mounts_initrd.o init/mounts.o: No such file or directory
 make[1]: *** [init/mounts.o] Error 1
 make: *** [init] Error 2
 
 There is an LD, the ls line is part of the error message.

But the options look really more like ld options to me. How this could
possibly happen, I don't know. Some overriding of $(LD) perhaps? Does
env | egrep -i 'ls|ld' show something weird? Does it also fail as a
non-root user, after you copied the stuff over to somewhere where this
user can write? Just grasping at straws here.


 But without doubt you are right that mounts.o is not built, for
 whatever reason.

Because ld should build it from init/do_mounts.o, but ls is being called
instead?

 The build command
 
 init/.do_mounts.o.cmd:cmd_init/do_mounts.o := gcc
 -Wp,-MD,init/.do_mounts.o.d -nostdinc
 -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.3/include
 -I/usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/arch/x86/include
 -Iarch/x86/include/generated -Iinclude
 -include /usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/include/linux/kconfig.h
 -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs
 -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Werror-implicit-function-declaration
 -Wno-format-security -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks -O2 -m64 -march=k8
 -mno-red-zone -mcmodel=kernel -funit-at-a-time
 -maccumulate-outgoing-args -fstack-protector -DCONFIG_AS_CFI=1
 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SIGNAL_FRAME=1 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SECTIONS=1
 -DCONFIG_AS_FXSAVEQ=1 -pipe -Wno-sign-compare
 -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -mno-sse -mno-mmx -mno-sse2 -mno-3dnow
 -Wframe-larger-than=2048 -fno-omit-frame-pointer
 -fno-optimize-sibling-calls -fno-inline-functions-called-once
 -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wno-pointer-sign -fno-strict-overflow
 -fconserve-stack -DCC_HAVE_ASM_GOTO -DKBUILD_STR(s)=\#s
 -DKBUILD_BASENAME=KBUILD_STR(do_mounts)
 -DKBUILD_MODNAME=KBUILD_STR(mounts) -c -o init/do_mounts.o
 init/do_mounts.c
 
 contains a directive to build mounts.o, see second last line, but
 it for some reason this is ignored.
 Maybe there is a flaw in that command, only I can't find it.

Neither can I. Is this command executed at all? If you maybe replace the
'gcc' by 'gccXXX', does this give an error? Or put an 'echo' in
front of the gcc'.
You can try 'make -d', this will give you LOTS of debug output, but I
don't think you will see the actual commands then.

Wonko



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-17 Thread Michael Mol
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
 On 2012-05-17 12:14 PM, Michael Scherer a6702...@unet.univie.ac.at wrote:

 If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will of course
 comply, though with outlook express which I'm forced to use most of
 the time this is a bit tedious.


 Interesting... so, you have someone standing next to you most of the time,
 pointing a gun at your head, forcing you to use one of the worst mail
 clients that ever existed?

That's generally called a job.


-- 
:wq



[gentoo-user] Re: HP A8 laptop install

2012-05-17 Thread James
Mick michaelkintzios at gmail.com writes:


 Unlike other bootloaders it does not interfere much with the original 
 installation and you can easily reverse the edits in the MSWindows boot menu 
 and re-expand the original partition before you return the laptop to Costco.


OK thanks for all the input from everyone. If I have more questions, 
I'll post a new thread. The install is intermittent, at best,
due to my workload ...


James









[gentoo-user] Any DSDT/AML gurus out there?

2012-05-17 Thread Paul Hartman
Hi,

I have a laptop which apparently has a buggy DSDT. It is possible to
decompile and recompile it, including it in an in-kernel initramfs to
override the one in BIOS, as described by the somewhat outdated
example at:
http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/acpi/overridingDSDT.php

My main problem is that the AML code that it generates is completely
foreign to me and I'm unable to tell what exactly the problem is. Most
examples on the web explain fixing compilation errors, which are
fairly obvious. Mine has no errors - only warnings. I think there is a
logical error leading to an infinite loop condition. My previous
attempts to fix it have only resulting in even worse results (no
battery readings at all, ever, lack of power management in general,
that kind of fun stuff).

Normally, my laptop battery readings will work perfectly well until
suddenly, randomly it shows this in dmesg:

[ 6286.707038] ACPI Error: Method parse/execution failed
[\_SB_.PCI0.PIB_.EC0_.SMWR] (Node 88007d028348),
AE_AML_INFINITE_LOOP (20120111/psparse-536)
[ 6286.707074] ACPI Error: Method parse/execution failed
[\_SB_.PCI0.PIB_.EC0_.SMSL] (Node 88007d028398),
AE_AML_INFINITE_LOOP (20120111/psparse-536)
[ 6286.707096] ACPI Error: Method parse/execution failed
[\_SB_.PCI0.PIB_.EC0_._Q09] (Node 88007d028438),
AE_AML_INFINITE_LOOP (20120111/psparse-536)

After that, the battery state can no longer be read and eventually
spontaneously powering off without proper shutdown when the battery
dies.

The problem does not occur in Microsoft Windows (or windows handles it
better), but I don't normally use Microsoft Windows, so that doesn't
help me any. :)

Has anyone on this list dealt with this before, or have any ideas to
help guide me along? I'd be happy to send the code to anyone
interested in trying their hand at fixing it.

Thanks,
Paul



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails

2012-05-17 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 17 May 2012 20:25:01 Alan McKinnon wrote:

 Outlook Express? Not even MS would attach the label flagship to
 Outlook Express.

A recent experience has suggested a reason for OE to work the way it 
does. Using it the way it's designed to be used, the entire conversation 
so far is included in every message; this will save mucho casho for 
those organisations that don't want to store e-mails - they rely on 
being able to scan an incoming e-mail to find out what it's all about.

Not an efficient use of bandwidth. In fact it's an abuse of network 
operators to relieve user companies of their responsibilities.

-- 
Rgds
Peter



Re: [gentoo-user] In X: up wants to save screenshot. How do I stop this?

2012-05-17 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Thursday 17 May 2012 18:44:51 Alan McKinnon wrote:

 No problems with KDE-4.8.3 and libevent-2.0.19 here

Nor here with KDE 4.8.1 and libevent 2.0.18.

-- 
Rgds
Peter



[gentoo-user] Re: perl versioning problem, how to get beyond for @world

2012-05-17 Thread Harry Putnam
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes:

[...]

 | Checking prerequisites...
 |   build_requires:
 | !  Parse::CPAN::Meta (1.40) is installed, but we need version =
 | 1.4401
 | ERRORS/WARNINGS FOUND IN PREREQUISITES.  You may wish to install
 the versions | of the modules indicated above before proceeding with
 this installation | 
 | Could not create MYMETA files
 | Creating new 'Build' script for 'Module-Build' version '0.40'
 | Copied META.yml to MYMETA.yml for bootstrapping
 | 
 | These additional prerequisites must be installed:
 |   requires:
 | ! version (we need version 0.87)
 |  Source configured.
 |  Compiling source in
 | /var/tmp/portage/perl-core/Module-Build-0.400.0/work/Module-Build-0.40 ...
 | version version 0.87 required--this is only version 0.82 at
 | /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.4/Module/Metadata
 | .pm line 20.
 | [...]
 `
 
 I can't really see what to do about this...
 
 What is installed is:
 
 ,
 | # eix -Ic|grep  Parse.*Meta
 | [I] perl-core/Parse-CPAN-Meta (1.440.400@05/03/12): Parse META.yml
 and other | similar CPAN metadata files
 | [I] virtual/perl-Parse-CPAN-Meta (1.440.400@04/25/12): Virtual for
 Parse-CPAN-Meta `

 Perl and any package manager tend to make an ugly combination...

 Now, I've never seen this specific error before but it looks like perl
 thinks your installed Parse-CPAN-Meta is still the old version 1.40. It
 doesn't realize what portage did in the interim.

 Have a look in that ebuild and 1.440.400 and you'll see quite a
 difference.

Quite a difference in what?  Or compared to what? 

 Does unmerging and remerging Parse-CPAN-Meta fix anything?

I tried emerge -vC the core  Parse-CPAN-Meta and the Virtual
Parse-CPAN-Meta

Then eix-sync, then emerge -vuD world

When it gets to building `perl-core/Module-Build-0.400.0'

The same failure happens:

,
| [...]
| Checking prerequisites...
|   build_requires:
| !  Parse::CPAN::Meta (1.40) is installed, but we need version = 1.4401
| 
| ERRORS/WARNINGS FOUND IN PREREQUISITES.  You may wish to install the versions
| of the modules indicated above before proceeding with this installation
| 
| Could not create MYMETA files
| Creating new 'Build' script for 'Module-Build' version '0.40'
| Copied META.yml to MYMETA.yml for bootstrapping
| 
| These additional prerequisites must be installed:
|   requires:
| ! version (we need version 0.87)
|  Source configured.
| [...]
`

emerge has installed two very different [...]//Parse/CPAN/Meta.pm

,
|  ls -l /usr/lib/perl5/5.12.4/Parse/CPAN/Meta.pm \
|   /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.4/Parse/CPAN/Meta.pm
| 
| [...]10522 Apr 25 20:49 /usr/lib/perl5/5.12.4/Parse/CPAN/Meta.pm
| [...] 7582 May 11 20:13 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.4/Parse/CPAN/Meta.pm
`

And they say very different things:

From /usr/lib/perl5/5.12.4/Parse/CPAN/Meta.pm:

 [...]
   # Class structure
   require 5.004;
   require Exporter;
   $Parse::CPAN::Meta::VERSION   = '1.40';
   @Parse::CPAN::Meta::ISA   = qw{ Exporter  };
   @Parse::CPAN::Meta::EXPORT_OK = qw{ Load LoadFile };
[...]

From /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.4/Parse/CPAN/Meta.pm:

   # Class structure
   require 5.004;
   require Exporter;
   $Parse::CPAN::Meta::VERSION   = '1.4404';
   @Parse::CPAN::Meta::ISA   = qw{ Exporter  };
   @Parse::CPAN::Meta::EXPORT_OK = qw{ Load LoadFile };

  One looks for 1.40, the other for 1.4404

I don't know what the code does but, is this possibly the problem?  If
so its not at all clear what to do about it.

qfile on /usr/lib/perl5/5.12.4/Parse/CPAN/Meta.pm
Shows it comes from the main perl installation:

  qfile /usr/lib/perl5/5.12.4/Parse/CPAN/Meta.pm
,
| dev-lang/perl (/usr/lib/perl5/5.12.4/Parse/CPAN/Meta.pm)
`
So that is from the main perl installation.

Just renaming /usr/lib/perl5/5.12.4/Parse/CPAN/Meta.pm to
 /usr/lib/perl5/5.12.4/Parse/CPAN/XMeta.pmX

Causes a new miss match on version when building
perl-core/Module-Build-0.400.0 
,
| *** BOOTSTRAPPING version ***
| Could not create MYMETA files
| Creating new 'Build' script for 'Module-Build' version '0.40'
| Copied META.yml to MYMETA.yml for bootstrapping
| 
| These additional prerequisites must be installed:
|   requires:
| ! version (we need version 0.87)
|  Source configured.
|  Compiling source in 
/var/tmp/portage/perl-core/Module-Build-0.400.0/work/Module-Build-0.40 ...
| version version 0.87 required--this is only version 0.82 at 
/usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.12.4/Module/Metadata.pm line 20.
`

So it appears there is some deeper mangling somewhere.





[gentoo-user] Re: Any DSDT/AML gurus out there?

2012-05-17 Thread James
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gentoo at gmail.com writes:


 I have a laptop which apparently has a buggy DSDT. 

Hello Paul,

We could fiddle around here, but your best bet is the old
linux bios group; who now call themselves coreboot:

http://www.coreboot.org

Find (google) where those guys hang out online,
and they can answer your questions very quickly, 
not to mention a vast array of experiences
related to your issues.


hth,
James