Re: [gentoo-user] sys-devel/bc required for kernel compile?

2013-03-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 14/03/2013 01:09, Walter Dnes wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 09:16:07AM +, Neil Bothwick wrote On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:24:00 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: A useful trick I use on my Gentoo test/dev vms is a defined set called @tools. These all use a shared /etc/portage/ for consistency,

[gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Dale
Howdy, I was wondering. Has anyone ever seen where a test as been done to compare the speed of Gentoo with other distros? Maybe Gentoo compared to Redhat, Mandrake, Ubuntu and such? Also, I read that Nasdaq runs a modified version of Gentoo. Do any other large corps run it that we know of?

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Rafa Griman
Hi !! On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, I was wondering. Has anyone ever seen where a test as been done to compare the speed of Gentoo with other distros? Maybe Gentoo compared to Redhat, Mandrake, Ubuntu and such? First things first ... What do you

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 03:15:36 -0500, Dale wrote: I was wondering. Has anyone ever seen where a test as been done to compare the speed of Gentoo with other distros? Maybe Gentoo compared to Redhat, Mandrake, Ubuntu and such? Mandrake? Where have you been for the last ten years, Dale? ;) --

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 03:15:36 -0500, Dale wrote: I was wondering. Has anyone ever seen where a test as been done to compare the speed of Gentoo with other distros? Maybe Gentoo compared to Redhat, Mandrake, Ubuntu and such? Mandrake? Where have you been for the last

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread William Kenworthy
Did this few years back for an online magazine sponsored by a local linux sysadmin company who wanted to see the difference between generic debian and optimised (not necessarily gentoo, but thats what I used.) Difference in times was ~10% across the board for graphics manipulations (gimp

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Michael Hampicke
2013/3/14 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com Howdy, Also, I read that Nasdaq runs a modified version of Gentoo. Do any other large corps run it that we know of? I googled a bit but couldn't find anything. Maybe my search terms wasn't good enough. Yeehaw, domainfactory (http://df.eu) uses a

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On 03/14/2013 04:15 PM, Dale wrote: Also, I read that Nasdaq runs a modified version of Gentoo. Do any other large corps run it that we know of? What exactly does it mean to run a "modified version of Gentoo"? Don't we all? ;)

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Francisco Ares
Hi Just my $0.02: Of course there are distro-related issues on performance, but once the system is up and running, wouldn't it be a matter of compiler/linker optimization differences? Francisco 2013/3/14 Michael Hampicke mgehampi...@gmail.com 2013/3/14 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com Howdy,

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 14/03/2013 13:29, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On 03/14/2013 04:15 PM, Dale wrote: Also, I read that Nasdaq runs a modified version of Gentoo. Do any other large corps run it that we know of? What exactly does it mean to run a modified version of Gentoo? Don't we all? ;) I've always

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mar 14, 2013 6:39 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/03/2013 13:29, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On 03/14/2013 04:15 PM, Dale wrote: Also, I read that Nasdaq runs a modified version of Gentoo. Do any other large corps run it that we know of? What exactly does it

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mar 14, 2013 4:14 PM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: Did this few years back for an online magazine sponsored by a local linux sysadmin company who wanted to see the difference between generic debian and optimised (not necessarily gentoo, but thats what I used.) Difference in

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On 03/14/2013 07:36 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 14/03/2013 13:29, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On 03/14/2013 04:15 PM, Dale wrote: Also, I read that Nasdaq runs a modified version of Gentoo. Do any other large corps run it that we

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 14/03/2013 14:31, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On 03/14/2013 07:36 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 14/03/2013 13:29, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On 03/14/2013 04:15 PM, Dale wrote: Also, I read that Nasdaq runs a modified version of Gentoo. Do any other large corps run it that we know of? What

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 14/03/2013 14:12, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Mar 14, 2013 4:14 PM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au mailto:bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: Did this few years back for an online magazine sponsored by a local linux sysadmin company who wanted to see the difference between generic debian and

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On 03/14/2013 09:28 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 14/03/2013 14:12, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Mar 14, 2013 4:14 PM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au mailto:bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: Did this few years back for an online magazine sponsored by a local linux sysadmin company who wanted to see the

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 14/03/2013 15:40, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On 03/14/2013 09:28 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 14/03/2013 14:12, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Mar 14, 2013 4:14 PM, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au mailto:bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: Did this few years back for an online magazine sponsored by a

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2013-03-14, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering. Has anyone ever seen where a test as been done to compare the speed of Gentoo with other distros? Maybe Gentoo compared to Redhat, Mandrake, Ubuntu and such? I just did a test, and they're all the same. CDs/DVDS of various

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 14/03/2013 16:07, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2013-03-14, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering. Has anyone ever seen where a test as been done to compare the speed of Gentoo with other distros? Maybe Gentoo compared to Redhat, Mandrake, Ubuntu and such? I just did a test, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: Why I prefer Gentoo over other distros: Full control. That's it, in a nutshell. I mean, I can (and do) leverage -march=native. I've been scared away from -march and instead of -mtune in case i need to drop my hard drive

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:40:49 +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: Or, try remove LDAP, NIS and PAM support for auth from a RHEL machine to test if it works without those things in place. RHEL? Impossible. Gentoo? Trivially easy. Trivially easy, of course, means an emerge -euDNtv world

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread William Kenworthy
On 14/03/13 22:31, Paul Hartman wrote: On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: Why I prefer Gentoo over other distros: Full control. That's it, in a nutshell. I mean, I can (and do) leverage -march=native. I've been scared away from -march and instead of

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Bruce Hill
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Bruce Hill
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Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

2013-03-14 Thread Michael Mol
On 03/14/2013 11:17 AM, Bruce Hill wrote: On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 07:29:54PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: html head meta content=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type /head body bgcolor=#FF text=#00 div class=moz-cite-prefixOn 03/14/2013 04:15

Re: Email encodings (was Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros )

2013-03-14 Thread João Matos
2013/3/14 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com On 03/14/2013 11:17 AM, Bruce Hill wrote: On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 07:29:54PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: html head meta content=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type /head body bgcolor=#FF text=#00

Re: [gentoo-user] make modules_install error; modules not recognized as ELF files

2013-03-14 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:47:34PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote Is my netbook dying, or is something else wrong? This is an older 32-bit Atom netbook, with CFLAGS=-O2 -march=native -mfpmath=sse -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -fno-unwind-tables -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables and 'MAKEOPTS=-j1'.

Re: [gentoo-user] make modules_install error; modules not recognized as ELF files

2013-03-14 Thread Paul Hartman
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:47:34PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote Is my netbook dying, or is something else wrong? This is an older 32-bit Atom netbook, with CFLAGS=-O2 -march=native -mfpmath=sse -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Dale
Grant Edwards wrote: On 2013-03-14, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering. Has anyone ever seen where a test as been done to compare the speed of Gentoo with other distros? Maybe Gentoo compared to Redhat, Mandrake, Ubuntu and such? I just did a test, and they're all the same.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Mateusz Kowalczyk
On 14/03/13 22:41, Dale wrote: Grant Edwards wrote: On 2013-03-14, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering. Has anyone ever seen where a test as been done to compare the speed of Gentoo with other distros? Maybe Gentoo compared to Redhat, Mandrake, Ubuntu and such? I just did a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Dale
Mateusz Kowalczyk wrote: On 14/03/13 22:41, Dale wrote: Grant Edwards wrote: On 2013-03-14, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering. Has anyone ever seen where a test as been done to compare the speed of Gentoo with other distros? Maybe Gentoo compared to Redhat, Mandrake, Ubuntu

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:52:41 -0500, Dale wrote: So, if I install Redhat on my machine, would it be less efficient than my Gentoo install which is customized for my hardware? Has someone else tested this and made it public? No. They may have tested it on their machine, but not on yours, so

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Mateusz Kowalczyk
On 14/03/13 23:52, Dale wrote: Mateusz Kowalczyk wrote: On 14/03/13 22:41, Dale wrote: Grant Edwards wrote: On 2013-03-14, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering. Has anyone ever seen where a test as been done to compare the speed of Gentoo with other distros? Maybe Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread William Kenworthy
On 15/03/13 08:31, Mateusz Kowalczyk wrote: On 14/03/13 23:52, Dale wrote: Mateusz Kowalczyk wrote: On 14/03/13 22:41, Dale wrote: Grant Edwards wrote: On 2013-03-14, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: ... RedHat maintainers aren't stupid (you can probably tell I've never used RH) – they

[gentoo-user] ntfs-3g problem (I suppose) - locking system

2013-03-14 Thread Francisco Ares
Hello. During some months now, this machine was (and still is, sometimes) suffering from a strange progressive lock down. It always has begun with the web browser, passing to the whole X environment, and finally I could not even use a console. After several trial and error actions, as no log

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Mar 15, 2013 7:31 AM, Mateusz Kowalczyk fuuze...@fuuzetsu.co.uk wrote: On 14/03/13 23:52, Dale wrote: Mateusz Kowalczyk wrote: On 14/03/13 22:41, Dale wrote: Grant Edwards wrote: On 2013-03-14, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering. Has anyone ever seen where a test as

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/03/2013 16:07, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2013-03-14, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering. Has anyone ever seen where a test as been done to compare the speed of Gentoo with other distros? Maybe

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/03/2013 15:40, Mark David Dumlao wrote: On 03/14/2013 09:28 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Or, try remove LDAP, NIS and PAM support for auth from a RHEL machine to test if it works without those things in place.

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo speed comparison to other distros

2013-03-14 Thread Mark David Dumlao
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:40:49 +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote: Or, try remove LDAP, NIS and PAM support for auth from a RHEL machine to test if it works without those things in place. RHEL? Impossible. Gentoo?