date:20130510

Marc Joliet wrote:
 Am Fri, 10 May 2013 02:59:55 + (UTC)
 schrieb Thomas Mueller mueller6...@bellsouth.net:

 Having package data in /var/db/pkg/category/package-name carries
the nuisance factor that finding a package involves a fishing expedition
through many possible categories.

 I am spoiled by having /var/db/pkg/package-name in NetBSD pkgsrc
and FreeBSD ports, though FreeBSD is wsitching to a different structure
nkwon as pkgng.

 Is there any way to configure so as to avoid this annoyance in
Gentoo?  Like maybe making /var/db/pkg/package-name?

 One can do
 ls /var/db/pkg/*/package-name but this is still an annoyance.

 I have some limited experience with Gentoo Linux on my older
computer.  Compiling the kernel took 130 minutes, and then the kernel
failed to boot.

 Tom

 Um... this is the exact same message you posted on the 8th of May and
to which
 you got three replies.



I'm glad you posted this.  I thought maybe I had hit a time warp or
something.  Since he posted it twice, I guess he still doesn't like it.  :/

Dale

:-)  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

On Fri, 10 May 2013 09:52:05 +0200, Michael Hampicke wrote:

I've repartitioned it 3 or 4 times, but it still comes up with that
  error when I fire up fdisk.  Is it a problem, and if so, can I dd a
  few sectors to remove whatever it's complaining about?

 
 fdisk does not support GPT disks, use cgdisk or parted (as the error
 message clearly states)

Or gdisk which is the most fdisk-like of the alternatives.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Annoying structure of /var/db/pkg/category/package-name database

On Fri, 10 May 2013 02:59:55 + (UTC), Thomas Mueller wrote:

I'm not sure why I'm posting this as you don't appear to bother with
reading replies - or do you expect us to CC them to you personally?

 Having package data in /var/db/pkg/category/package-name carries
 the nuisance factor that finding a package involves a fishing
 expedition through many possible categories.

You are using the wrong tool for the job. This is not how you find a
package in portage, you don't access the database directly. Portage
already provides tools for finding packages, such as the --search option
to emerge or eix (which is faster and more comprehensive).

 I am spoiled by having /var/db/pkg/package-name in NetBSD pkgsrc and
 FreeBSD ports, though FreeBSD is wsitching to a different structure
 nkwon as pkgng.

So they admit your suggested layout is not the best too?
 
 Is there any way to configure so as to avoid this annoyance in Gentoo?
 Like maybe making /var/db/pkg/package-name?

You have already been told why this is not possible.


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Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

2013-05-10 Thread Alan McKinnon

On 10/05/2013 10:47, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Fri, 10 May 2013 09:52:05 +0200, Michael Hampicke wrote:
 
   I've repartitioned it 3 or 4 times, but it still comes up with that
 error when I fire up fdisk.  Is it a problem, and if so, can I dd a
 few sectors to remove whatever it's complaining about?
   

 fdisk does not support GPT disks, use cgdisk or parted (as the error
 message clearly states)
 
 Or gdisk which is the most fdisk-like of the alternatives.
 
 

Reading between the lines shows Walter doesn't want to use fdisk to deal
with a GPT disk.

He has a regular partitioned disk that was once GPT, and some remnants
of that are left around confusing fdisk. He wants the remnants to go
away and needs to know what bit of the disk to dd and make that happen.

I don't know the answer to that.

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Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

On Fri, 10 May 2013 11:44:54 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

 Reading between the lines shows Walter doesn't want to use fdisk to deal
 with a GPT disk.
 
 He has a regular partitioned disk that was once GPT, and some remnants
 of that are left around confusing fdisk. He wants the remnants to go
 away and needs to know what bit of the disk to dd and make that happen.
 
 I don't know the answer to that.

That's not quite how I read it, but... gdisk has an option to completely
erase both GPT and DOS partition tables. Why anyone would choose to use
the ultra-kludged DOS partition tables when GPT is so much more elegant is
beyond me, unless they have old hardware that can't read a GPT disk.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Fine Tuning NTP Server

2013-05-10 Thread Andrea Conti

Hello,

 server  tick.nrc.ca minpoll 64 maxpoll 1024 iburst prefer

Ouch! minpoll and maxpoll should be specified as the log2 of the actual
value, i.e. 6 and 10. Those are the defaults anyway.

 disable auth
 broadcastclient
 server ntp.server.com prefer

This looks fine to me; although configuring a broadcast association when
your clients also have a unicast association to the same server seems a
bit pointless, this should not cause any harm.

I think you should first try to fix your server config and see if
getting a proper sync on the server also solves the problem with the
clients.

 As for /etc/conf.d/ntpd, we have set nothing. To be honest I did not
 even know the file
 existed till you mentioned it:

 NTPD_OPTS=-u ntp:ntp

That is where you put the commandline options you want ntpd to be
started with.

 I would have liked to be better prepared for this but the gentoo wiki
 page has been down for a few weeks now. We are not looking for
 microsecond synchronization however, down to the second would be nice!

I doubt you can consistently achieve microsecond-level synchronization
with NTP ;)

The official documentation of the ntp suite [1] is a good source of
information; the man pages of ntpd and ntp.conf are also quite
extensive, albeit a bit terse.

andrea

[1] http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/index.html

Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

2013-05-10 Thread pk

On 2013-05-10 03:11, Walter Dnes wrote:

WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sda'! The util
fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.

I've repartitioned it 3 or 4 times, but it still comes up with that
error when I fire up fdisk. Is it a problem, and if so, can I dd a few
sectors to remove whatever it's complaining about?

I would suggest using a tool that understands both MBR and GPT. One of
the the tools suggested by others in this list should suffice. I would
not recommend using dd.

2)
The device presents a logical sector size that is smaller than the
physical sector size. Aligning to a physical sector (or optimal I/O)
size boundary is recommended, or performance may be impacted.

I think most (if not all tools) that understands GPT should be able to
align the disk properly so using such a tool will/should take care of
alignment as well...

The fdisk default seems to be to start partition 1 at sector 2048. I
don't know the hardware side of disks. Is that OK.

No idea. All I know is that you cannot trust the firmware of modern
disks to tell you the layout of the disk since it can move sectors
around to get around damaged sectors (or do whatever the firmware
developers thinks is best)...

Here's some reading for (perhaps) greater understanding (some) of the
issues:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Format
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table

Also this seems relevant:
http://superuser.com/questions/352572/why-does-the-partition-start-on-sector-2048-instead-of-63

Best regards

Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

2013-05-10 Thread Alan McKinnon

On 10/05/2013 12:00, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Fri, 10 May 2013 11:44:54 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
 
 Reading between the lines shows Walter doesn't want to use fdisk to deal
 with a GPT disk.

 He has a regular partitioned disk that was once GPT, and some remnants
 of that are left around confusing fdisk. He wants the remnants to go
 away and needs to know what bit of the disk to dd and make that happen.

 I don't know the answer to that.
 
 That's not quite how I read it, but... gdisk has an option to completely
 erase both GPT and DOS partition tables. Why anyone would choose to use
 the ultra-kludged DOS partition tables when GPT is so much more elegant is
 beyond me, unless they have old hardware that can't read a GPT disk.

The usual reasons I suppose:

habit, familiarity, lack of new knowledge, fear of the unknown

I myself still use fdisk whenever I can. I know I should change, I know
it would be good, but I'm an old fart and mostly can't be arsed :-)


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Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

On Fri, 10 May 2013 12:55:16 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

 I myself still use fdisk whenever I can. I know I should change, I know
 it would be good, but I'm an old fart and mostly can't be arsed :-)

I'm older (and probably fartier) than you but still welcomed GPT and
gdisk with open arms :P


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Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On 10/05/2013 12:00, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Fri, 10 May 2013 11:44:54 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

 Reading between the lines shows Walter doesn't want to use fdisk to deal
 with a GPT disk.

 He has a regular partitioned disk that was once GPT, and some remnants
 of that are left around confusing fdisk. He wants the remnants to go
 away and needs to know what bit of the disk to dd and make that happen.

 I don't know the answer to that.
 That's not quite how I read it, but... gdisk has an option to completely
 erase both GPT and DOS partition tables. Why anyone would choose to use
 the ultra-kludged DOS partition tables when GPT is so much more elegant is
 beyond me, unless they have old hardware that can't read a GPT disk.
 The usual reasons I suppose:

 habit, familiarity, lack of new knowledge, fear of the unknown

 I myself still use fdisk whenever I can. I know I should change, I know
 it would be good, but I'm an old fart and mostly can't be arsed :-)




I'm with ya Alan.  Update tho.  I use LVM.  I use grub2 since a week or
so ago.  That's a lot for me. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

2013-05-10 Thread Thanasis

on 05/10/2013 11:47 AM Neil Bothwick wrote the following:
 On Fri, 10 May 2013 09:52:05 +0200, Michael Hampicke wrote:
 
   I've repartitioned it 3 or 4 times, but it still comes up with that
 error when I fire up fdisk.  Is it a problem, and if so, can I dd a
 few sectors to remove whatever it's complaining about?
   

 fdisk does not support GPT disks, use cgdisk or parted (as the error
 message clearly states)
 
 Or gdisk which is the most fdisk-like of the alternatives.
 
 
Where do we find gdisk (in portage)?

Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

On Fri, 10 May 2013 06:09:25 -0500, Dale wrote:

  I myself still use fdisk whenever I can. I know I should change, I
  know it would be good, but I'm an old fart and mostly can't be
  arsed :-)

 I'm with ya Alan.  Update tho.  I use LVM.  I use grub2 since a week or
 so ago.  That's a lot for me. 

It's not about whether you use fdisk or gdisk, they are almost identical
in use, it's about the type of partition table you use. If you like the
idea of a partition table that only accepts four partitions, has to be
kludged to use one of those as a container if you want more, has no
simple way of backing up such a complex partition setup and has no
redundancy in case of partition table corruption, fdisk and DOS are
perfect for you :)

DOS partition tables should have died out 30 years ago, we know who we
have to thank for their continued existence...


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Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

On Fri, 10 May 2013 14:36:38 +0300, Thanasis wrote:

 Where do we find gdisk (in portage)?

sys-apps/gptfdisk

It contains GPT versions of fdisk, cfdisk and sfdisk.


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Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

2013-05-10 Thread Wang Xuerui

2013/5/10 Thanasis thana...@asyr.hopto.org:
 Where do we find gdisk (in portage)?

It's sys-apps/gptfdisk. Took a bit of time finding the package when I
first deployed a Gentoo server some time ago (:

Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Fri, 10 May 2013 06:09:25 -0500, Dale wrote:

 I myself still use fdisk whenever I can. I know I should change, I
 know it would be good, but I'm an old fart and mostly can't be
 arsed :-)

 I'm with ya Alan.  Update tho.  I use LVM.  I use grub2 since a week or
 so ago.  That's a lot for me.

 It's not about whether you use fdisk or gdisk, they are almost identical
 in use, it's about the type of partition table you use. If you like the
 idea of a partition table that only accepts four partitions, has to be
 kludged to use one of those as a container if you want more, has no
 simple way of backing up such a complex partition setup and has no
 redundancy in case of partition table corruption, fdisk and DOS are
 perfect for you :)

 DOS partition tables should have died out 30 years ago, we know who we
 have to thank for their continued existence...



Well, when I bought my 3Tb drive, I had to use GPT.  Yea, I had to
figure it out but it ain't the end of the world.  I think I used cgdisk
since I usually use cfdisk.  They are a lot alike is one reason I used
it.  If I ever replace a drive, I'll likely use cgdisk for it too.  Sort
of slowly switch over as I can.  My worry is forgetting which I used
which on.  In a way, I wish I could switch them all since cgdisk makes
it so easy.  Also, since I use LVM, I think I just made two partitions. 
For some reason, I couldn't get it to see just one large partition.  LVM
combined the two together for me tho.  I still scratch my head on that
one tho.  I have not used the backup part of cgdisk either.

I realize things change, some for the better, but sometimes it needs to
be changed when I really don't want to spend the time doing it.  It took
me a bit to figure out LVM but I did it on my time frame and wasn't
rushed, just confused at first.  Same with grub2 but I still got some
things I want to do but it does OK.  I'm still wanting to redo my disks
and have a /boot partition big enough to have sysrescue and such there
and also the memtest thing too.  Not enough space for sysrescue and
can't get it to see memtest to put it in the menu.  May start a thread
on that one day.

As long as I can spend the time learning it and not be rushed, I can
generally deal with it, mostly.  ;-)

In the OP's case, maybe he isn't ready to deal with it.  Maybe he has
another reason not to use GPT.   Maybe all he needs is the basics of fdisk?

Dale

:-)  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

On Fri, 10 May 2013 07:10:19 -0500, Dale wrote:

 Well, when I bought my 3Tb drive, I had to use GPT.  Yea, I had to
 figure it out but it ain't the end of the world.  I think I used cgdisk
 since I usually use cfdisk.  They are a lot alike is one reason I used
 it.  If I ever replace a drive, I'll likely use cgdisk for it too.

I used to use cfdisk, but switched to fdisk because cfdisk's partition
alignment wasn't good on large drives. That's not a problem with cgdisk.

 Sort
 of slowly switch over as I can.  My worry is forgetting which I used
 which on.

There's nothing to remember, cgdisk and gdisk are interchangable, and
either will warn you if you try to use them on a DOS partitioned drive
(and vice versa for fdisk/cfdisk).


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Re: [gentoo-user] Fine Tuning NTP Server

2013-05-10 Thread Pandu Poluan

On May 10, 2013 5:23 PM, Andrea Conti a...@alyf.net wrote:

 Hello,

  server  tick.nrc.ca minpoll 64 maxpoll 1024 iburst prefer

 Ouch! minpoll and maxpoll should be specified as the log2 of the actual
 value, i.e. 6 and 10. Those are the defaults anyway.

  disable auth
  broadcastclient
  server ntp.server.com prefer

 This looks fine to me; although configuring a broadcast association when
 your clients also have a unicast association to the same server seems a
 bit pointless, this should not cause any harm.

 I think you should first try to fix your server config and see if
 getting a proper sync on the server also solves the problem with the
 clients.

  As for /etc/conf.d/ntpd, we have set nothing. To be honest I did not
  even know the file
  existed till you mentioned it:
 
  NTPD_OPTS=-u ntp:ntp

 That is where you put the commandline options you want ntpd to be
 started with.

  I would have liked to be better prepared for this but the gentoo wiki
  page has been down for a few weeks now. We are not looking for
  microsecond synchronization however, down to the second would be nice!

 I doubt you can consistently achieve microsecond-level synchronization
 with NTP ;)

 The official documentation of the ntp suite [1] is a good source of
 information; the man pages of ntpd and ntp.conf are also quite
 extensive, albeit a bit terse.

 andrea

 [1] http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/index.html




Many thanks Andrea!

Although I'm not the original poster, but within the next couple of months,
me  my team will have to implement something similar. Your reply is a good
reference for us!

Again, thank you!

Rgds,
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Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Fri, 10 May 2013 07:10:19 -0500, Dale wrote:

 Well, when I bought my 3Tb drive, I had to use GPT.  Yea, I had to
 figure it out but it ain't the end of the world.  I think I used cgdisk
 since I usually use cfdisk.  They are a lot alike is one reason I used
 it.  If I ever replace a drive, I'll likely use cgdisk for it too.
 I used to use cfdisk, but switched to fdisk because cfdisk's partition
 alignment wasn't good on large drives. That's not a problem with cgdisk.

That was why I had to use cgdisk.  The drive is large.  I think cfdisk
spit out a error or something.  I'm to old and it was to long ago.  lol 
On my other disks, I'm not sure I had even heard of cgdisk when I set
them up. 

 Sort
 of slowly switch over as I can.  My worry is forgetting which I used
 which on.
 There's nothing to remember, cgdisk and gdisk are interchangable, and
 either will warn you if you try to use them on a DOS partitioned drive
 (and vice versa for fdisk/cfdisk).



That's good to know.  At least I know now if I run cfdisk on a drive
that I am supposed to use cgdisk on, I'll get a notice.  Thanks for that
tidbit. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

2013-05-10 Thread Tanstaafl


On 2013-05-10 6:00 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:

On Fri, 10 May 2013 11:44:54 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

Reading between the lines shows Walter doesn't want to use fdisk to deal
with a GPT disk.

He has a regular partitioned disk that was once GPT, and some remnants
of that are left around confusing fdisk. He wants the remnants to go
away and needs to know what bit of the disk to dd and make that happen.

I don't know the answer to that.



That's not quite how I read it, but... gdisk has an option to completely
erase both GPT and DOS partition tables. Why anyone would choose to use
the ultra-kludged DOS partition tables when GPT is so much more elegant is
beyond me, unless they have old hardware that can't read a GPT disk.


If there are problems with fdisk and/or good reasons that it shouldn't 
be used anymore on modern hardware (what about in a virtual 
environment?), maybe the Gentoo Handbook could use some updating? I just 
recently set up a new VM on ESXi, and the Handbook still uses (and by 
implication recommends the use of) fdisk for the setting up your 
partitions steps.

Switching from grub to grub2 - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

2013-05-10 Thread Tanstaafl


On 2013-05-10 7:09 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm with ya Alan.  Update tho.  I use LVM.  I use grub2 since a week or
so ago.  That's a lot for me.


So, how was  the switch? Uneventful? The more I read, and once I learned 
you could still use a monolithic config file, the less this looks like a 
big deal...

Re: [gentoo-user] Annoying structure of /var/db/pkg/category/package-name database

2013-05-10 Thread Marc Joliet

Am Fri, 10 May 2013 03:15:25 -0500
schrieb Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com:

[...]
 I'm glad you posted this.  I thought maybe I had hit a time warp or
 something.  Since he posted it twice, I guess he still doesn't like it.  :/
 
 Dale
 
 :-)  :-)

Hey now, let's give him a chance :) . He's trying something new and is
attempting to get used to it and understand it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

2013-05-10 Thread Bruce Hill

On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 02:36:38PM +0300, Thanasis wrote:
  
 Where do we find gdisk (in portage)?

This app which would be helpful to you, demonstrated:

mingdao@server ~ $ e-file gdisk
 *  sys-apps/gdisk
Available Versions: 0.6.13 0.6.4_p2-r0 0.5.1-r0 0.6.14 
Matched Files:  /usr/sbin/gdisk; /sbin/gdisk; 

 *  sys-apps/gptfdisk
Available Versions: 0.8.6 0.6.13 0.7.1 0.8.5 0.8.4 0.8.3 0.8.2 
0.8.1 0.8.0-r1 0.8.0 0.7.2 
Homepage:   http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/
Description:GPT partition table manipulator for Linux
Matched Files:  /usr/sbin/gdisk; /sbin/gdisk;

e-file comes from pfl

mingdao@server ~ $ e-file e-file
 *  app-misc/pfl
Available Versions: 1.8.1-r0 1.8-r1 1.8_p20081201-r0 
1.8.1_p20081201-r0 
Matched Files:  /usr/bin/e-file; 

[I] app-portage/pfl
Available Versions: 2.3-r3 2.3-r2 2.3-r1 2.3 2.2 2.1-r1 2.1 2.0 
1.8.1-r1 1.8.1-r0 
Last Installed Ver: 2.3(Tue 28 Feb 2012 12:53:36 PM CST)
Homepage:   
http://www.portagefilelist.de/index.php/Special:PFLQuery2
Description:PFL is an online searchable file/package 
database for Gentoo
Matched Files:  /usr/bin/e-file;

mingdao@server ~ $ eix pfl
[I] app-portage/pfl
 Available versions:  2.3 ~2.3-r3 {{+network-cron python_targets_python2_6 
python_targets_python2_7}}
 Installed versions:  2.3(12:53:36 PM 02/28/2012)(network-cron)
 Homepage:http://www.portagefilelist.de
 Description: Searchable online file/package database for Gentoo

* net-analyzer/tcpflow
 Available versions:  1.3.0 {{test}}
 Homepage:https://github.com/simsong/tcpflow
 Description: A tool for monitoring, capturing and storing TCP 
connections flows

* net-mail/pflogsumm
 Available versions:  1.1.3 ~1.1.4 1.1.5
 Homepage:http://jimsun.linxnet.com/postfix_contrib.html
 Description: Pflogsumm is a log analyzer for Postfix logs

* sys-fs/wpflash
 Available versions:  ~0
 Homepage:http://webpal.bigbrd.com/
 Description: flash the firmware on a Webpal

Found 4 matches.

So you need to emerge pfl to get and use e-file.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Fine Tuning NTP Server

2013-05-10 Thread Nick Khamis

Hello Andrea,

Thank you so much for your time. I missed the part about log^2 in the
documentation.

Kind Regards,

Nick.

On 5/10/13, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
 On May 10, 2013 5:23 PM, Andrea Conti a...@alyf.net wrote:

 Hello,

  server  tick.nrc.ca minpoll 64 maxpoll 1024 iburst prefer

 Ouch! minpoll and maxpoll should be specified as the log2 of the actual
 value, i.e. 6 and 10. Those are the defaults anyway.

  disable auth
  broadcastclient
  server ntp.server.com prefer

 This looks fine to me; although configuring a broadcast association when
 your clients also have a unicast association to the same server seems a
 bit pointless, this should not cause any harm.

 I think you should first try to fix your server config and see if
 getting a proper sync on the server also solves the problem with the
 clients.

  As for /etc/conf.d/ntpd, we have set nothing. To be honest I did not
  even know the file
  existed till you mentioned it:
 
  NTPD_OPTS=-u ntp:ntp

 That is where you put the commandline options you want ntpd to be
 started with.

  I would have liked to be better prepared for this but the gentoo wiki
  page has been down for a few weeks now. We are not looking for
  microsecond synchronization however, down to the second would be nice!

 I doubt you can consistently achieve microsecond-level synchronization
 with NTP ;)

 The official documentation of the ntp suite [1] is a good source of
 information; the man pages of ntpd and ntp.conf are also quite
 extensive, albeit a bit terse.

 andrea

 [1] http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/index.html




 Many thanks Andrea!

 Although I'm not the original poster, but within the next couple of months,
 me  my team will have to implement something similar. Your reply is a good
 reference for us!

 Again, thank you!

 Rgds,
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Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 11:44:54AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote

 Reading between the lines shows Walter doesn't want to use fdisk to
 deal with a GPT disk.
 
 He has a regular partitioned disk that was once GPT, and some
 remnants of that are left around confusing fdisk. He wants the
 remnants to go away and needs to know what bit of the disk to dd
 and make that happen.

  You're right.  That is what I meant  I finally found the answer.
http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/wipegpt.html is the URL to see.  My
Google-fu isn't quite what it used to be.  For anybody else's benefit,
here's what I did...

===Screen Capture follows=
livecd ~ # gdisk /dev/sda
GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 0.8.4

Partition table scan:
  MBR: protective
  BSD: not present
  APM: not present
  GPT: present

Found valid GPT with protective MBR; using GPT.

Command (? for help): x

Expert command (? for help): z
About to wipe out GPT on /dev/sda. Proceed? (Y/N): y
GPT data structures destroyed! You may now partition the disk using fdisk or
other utilities.
Blank out MBR? (Y/N): n
MBR is unchanged. You may need to delete an EFI GPT (0xEE) partition
with fdisk or another tool.
livecd ~ #
===

  fdisk now starts without the GPT warning.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Annoying structure of /var/db/pkg/category/package-name database

2013-05-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann

Am 10.05.2013 04:59, schrieb Thomas Mueller:
 Having package data in /var/db/pkg/category/package-name carries the 
 nuisance factor that finding a package involves a fishing expedition through 
 many possible categories.

 I am spoiled by having /var/db/pkg/package-name in NetBSD pkgsrc and 
 FreeBSD ports, though FreeBSD is wsitching to a different structure nkwon as 
 pkgng.

 Is there any way to configure so as to avoid this annoyance in Gentoo?  Like 
 maybe making /var/db/pkg/package-name?

 One can do
 ls /var/db/pkg/*/package-name but this is still an annoyance.

 I have some limited experience with Gentoo Linux on my older computer.  
 Compiling the kernel took 130 minutes, and then the kernel failed to boot.

 Tom


 .

and how do you deal with the problem of several packages having the same
name?

Or.. you don't look at that stuff, besides some cases of severe damage
control, you never have to go there?

Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 11:00:50AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote

 That's not quite how I read it, but... gdisk has an option to completely
 erase both GPT and DOS partition tables.

  I erased the GPT table.

 Why anyone would choose to use the ultra-kludged DOS partition tables
 when GPT is so much more elegant is beyond me, unless they have old
 hardware that can't read a GPT disk.

  Familiarity, I suppose.  I've used the same layout for several years.
fdisk can easily handle a 1 terabyte disk.  For now, my big change is to
use ext4fs instead of Reiserfs for my main partition.

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Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

2013-05-10 Thread J. Roeleveld

Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:

On 10/05/2013 12:00, Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Fri, 10 May 2013 11:44:54 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
 
 Reading between the lines shows Walter doesn't want to use fdisk to
deal
 with a GPT disk.

 He has a regular partitioned disk that was once GPT, and some
remnants
 of that are left around confusing fdisk. He wants the remnants to go
 away and needs to know what bit of the disk to dd and make that
happen.

 I don't know the answer to that.
 
 That's not quite how I read it, but... gdisk has an option to
completely
 erase both GPT and DOS partition tables. Why anyone would choose to
use
 the ultra-kludged DOS partition tables when GPT is so much more
elegant is
 beyond me, unless they have old hardware that can't read a GPT disk.

The usual reasons I suppose:

habit, familiarity, lack of new knowledge, fear of the unknown

I myself still use fdisk whenever I can. I know I should change, I know
it would be good, but I'm an old fart and mostly can't be arsed :-)


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I probably also would have stayed with fdisk and dos partitions if it weren't 
for the fact I don't have many disks left that are small enough for it to 
work

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Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

  While I'm on the general topic of setting up the disk, I notice that
fdisk startup output includes..

 Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
 I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes

  Since I'll be using ext2 for the 250 meg / and ext4 for the biggie
/home partition, should I force mkefs* block size (the -b parameter)
to 4096 to match the underlying hardware?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Annoying structure of /var/db/pkg/category/package-name database

2013-05-10 Thread Mark David Dumlao

On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de wrote:
 Am Fri, 10 May 2013 03:15:25 -0500
 schrieb Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com:

 [...]
 I'm glad you posted this.  I thought maybe I had hit a time warp or
 something.  Since he posted it twice, I guess he still doesn't like it.  :/

 Dale

 :-)  :-)

 Hey now, let's give him a chance :) . He's trying something new and is
 attempting to get used to it and understand it.


Trying something new? On the gentoo mailing list? He's a witch, I say,
burn him! ;)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Annoying structure of /var/db/pkg/category/package-name database

2013-05-10 Thread Bruce Hill

On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 01:12:05AM -0700, Thomas Mueller wrote:
 Thanks to those who responded for the suggestions. 
 
 I didn't think I sent this same message a second time.  If I did, it was 
 accidental.
 
 Using equery and other portage commands may be better than looking directly 
 at /var/db/pkg/category/package-name, sort of like the new pkgng in 
 FreeBSD which is taking over from the older format.
 
 
 I come from a Linux distribution (Slackware) whose package management knows 
 nothing about dependencies.

In reality Slackware does know about dependencies, it's just handled
differently that Gentoo's portage. In essence, the writer of the SlackBuild
sript is supposed to handle dependencies in that script.

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.   

   
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? 

   
A: Top-posting. 

   
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Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting

[gentoo-user] Settings for Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen video card

  OK, I'm getting serious with the install on my new machine, so here
come the questions.  lspci -v shows the onboard GPU as...

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen 
Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
Subsystem: Dell Device 0581
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
Memory at f780 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4M]
Memory at e000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
I/O ports at f000 [size=64]
Expansion ROM at unassigned [disabled]
Capabilities: [90] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit-
Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 2
Capabilities: [a4] PCI Advanced Features

  What settings do I use for VIDEO_CARDS= in make.conf? Is intel good
enough?

  Also, any special stuff in make menuconfig?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Settings for Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen video card

2013-05-10 Thread Michael Mol

On 05/10/2013 02:04 PM, Walter Dnes wrote:
   OK, I'm getting serious with the install on my new machine, so here
 come the questions.  lspci -v shows the onboard GPU as...
 
 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen 
 Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
 Subsystem: Dell Device 0581
 Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 11
 Memory at f780 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4M]
 Memory at e000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
 I/O ports at f000 [size=64]
 Expansion ROM at unassigned [disabled]
 Capabilities: [90] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit-
 Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 2
 Capabilities: [a4] PCI Advanced Features

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core
Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) (prog-if 00
[VGA controller])
Subsystem: Toshiba America Info Systems Device fc70
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 44
Memory at f500 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4M]
Memory at e000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
I/O ports at e000 [size=64]
Expansion ROM at unassigned [disabled]
Capabilities: [90] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit-
Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 2
Capabilities: [a4] PCI Advanced Features
Kernel driver in use: i915

 
   What settings do I use for VIDEO_CARDS= in make.conf? Is intel good
 enough?

That's what I have.

 
   Also, any special stuff in make menuconfig?

I have:

* CONFIG_DRM
* CONFIG_DRM_I915
* CONFIG_DRM_I915_KMS





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Re: Switching from grub to grub2 - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

Tanstaafl wrote:
 On 2013-05-10 7:09 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm with ya Alan.  Update tho.  I use LVM.  I use grub2 since a week or
 so ago.  That's a lot for me.

 So, how was  the switch? Uneventful? The more I read, and once I
 learned you could still use a monolithic config file, the less this
 looks like a big deal...




If you are referring to LVM.  Once I got the commands and the steps
right, it was pretty darn easy.  I have increased the size of things a
few times with no issues.  It may blow up on me one day but so far, it
is neat.  I have not reduced one yet but need to.  I just haven't had
the time really.  If you have more than one drive or find yourself
having to move things around due to one partition needing room or having
to much room, LVM is really neat. 

If you are referring to grub2.  I found a Gentoo wiki page that shows
how to chain load both grubs.  What it does is leave old grub there.  In
the menu for old grub, which loads first, you select to chain load
grub2.  If grub2 works fine, then you can remove the old grub.  If it
doesn't work, then you use the old grub to boot with.  Honestly, it
wasn't bad at all.  I don't recall even having a single issue getting
the OS to load.  I stuck a script with the command for updating grub2 in
my /root directory.  It has the longer command to update with the
options and such.  My only issue right now is that I can't get the
memtest thing to work and don't have enough space on /boot for
sysrescue.  The biggest thing, I got to pick a time to switch that was
convenient for me.  In my opinion, grub2 is stable enough for most
likely any setup that supports it. 

If you need a link to the wiki, I got it bookmarked somewhere.  Let me
know and I'll go find it. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Annoying structure of /var/db/pkg/category/package-name database

Marc Joliet wrote:
 Am Fri, 10 May 2013 03:15:25 -0500
 schrieb Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com:

 [...]
 I'm glad you posted this.  I thought maybe I had hit a time warp or
 something.  Since he posted it twice, I guess he still doesn't like
it.  :/

 Dale

 :-)  :-)

 Hey now, let's give him a chance :) . He's trying something new and is
 attempting to get used to it and understand it.



Given how this list has put up with me this long, I certainly do the
same for someone else.  lol  I still don't think he likes having to type
all that stuff in tho.  Honestly, me either.

I hope he knows about tab completion.  If he didn't, he should now. 
;-)  If my tab key breaks, I'm getting another keyboard, SOON.

Dale

:-)  :-)

P.S.  Y'all be careful talking about putting up with me.  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

On Fri, 10 May 2013 11:54:13 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:

  Why anyone would choose to use the ultra-kludged DOS partition tables
  when GPT is so much more elegant is beyond me, unless they have old
  hardware that can't read a GPT disk.  
 
   Familiarity, I suppose.  I've used the same layout for several years.
 fdisk can easily handle a 1 terabyte disk.

It's not fdisk that is the problem, it is the bastardised partition table
layout with bits f information scattered all over the disk and little
change of recovery in the event of corruption. GPT on the other hand can
handle a sensible number of partitions, includes details of them all in
the partition table and saves a backup copy to the end of the disk.


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Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions

On Fri, 10 May 2013 08:22:28 -0500, Dale wrote:

  I used to use cfdisk, but switched to fdisk because cfdisk's partition
  alignment wasn't good on large drives. That's not a problem with
  cgdisk.  
 
 That was why I had to use cgdisk.  The drive is large.  I think cfdisk
 spit out a error or something.

cfdisk only does 512 byte alignment, if you want a DOS partition table on
a large drive, you need to use fdisk or {,q,qt}parted. cgdisk is a
completely separate tool as it works with GPT partition tables. There is
anever a choice between cfdisk and cgdisk because only one of them will
work with your partition table.


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Re: Switching from grub to grub2 - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] fdisk warnings during install; questions