Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 5:56 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/27/2013 03:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: And actually, the long term plan is for systemd --user to basically replace gnome-session-manager, Is Lennart part of the gnome project now? ;) so just installing systemd is not going to work at all in the future, even if it *may* seems to work now (which I'm pretty sure it doesn't). Maybe I'll be able to confirm or deny tomorrow morning :) The update will take all night (on my slower machine) but I fear that the build will quit with an error as soon as my head hits the pillow. I'll let you know in the morning. As an aside, I got this great idea for automating the update: Instead of removing all gnome packages before updating gnome (much too much boring work for lazy me) I updated the glib package first because All Things Gnome depend on glib. Then I started revdep-rebuild, which of course will automatically re- install every gnome package on the machine (and update to the latest versions of everything in the process :). Of course portage refused to do the glib update because of a zillion or more package conflicts, so I worked around that by running: #ebuild /usr/portage/dev-libs/glib/glib-2.36.3-r1 merge Let's see how many hours of pain my laziness will cost me this time :) I finally updated; I had no problems whatsoever. I also stopped using my overlay (and will soon discontinue it); with the introduction of virtual/service-manager, it's not longer necessary to have a systemd-only (without OpenRC) machine. The only special thing I'm doing is to mask sys-apps/systemd-204, since 205 introduced the new cgroups management code (with systemd as the only writer of the cgroups hierarchy), and it seems to cause some minor problems with logind. Other than that, it works withouth a glitch: gnome-base/gnome-3.8.0, sys-apps/systemd-204, no consolekit at all. Then again, this is how I've been running my machines since last year. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update
Am 28.07.2013 10:04, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: The only special thing I'm doing is to mask sys-apps/systemd-204, since 205 introduced the new cgroups management code (with systemd as the only writer of the cgroups hierarchy), and it seems to cause some minor problems with logind. Other than that, it works withouth a glitch: gnome-base/gnome-3.8.0, sys-apps/systemd-204, no consolekit at all. Same here, yes. I run systemd-206 but I didn't notice an problem(s) yet. Maybe there are some and I don't get it ;-) Stefan
[gentoo-user] gentoo-systemd-only deprecation
William Hubbs closed bug #409385[1] as fixed, introducing virtual/service-manager and adding it to the @system set, and dropping OpenRC from baselayout's post dependencies. Therefore, as of today, anyone can have a Gentoo machine with only systemd, with no OpenRC installed. Since that was the raison d'être of the gentoo-systemd-only overlay[2], I'm deprecating it soon. If you install dracut you will also pull sysvinit (it's needed for killall5, IIRC), and installing baselayout (instead of systemd-baselayout) will make orphans of some systemd configuration files (like /etc/vconsole.conf and /etc/machine-info); but I consider those only minor problems, and I would strongly recommend to *anyone* using my gentoo-systemd-only overlay to drop it and use the official mechanism in the tree to install only systemd, replacing completely OpenRC. Also, without OpenRC we don't have /etc/init.d/functions.sh , but you can use the alternatives provided in my overlay or in bug #373219[3]. I'm pretty sure someone will close that bug pretty soon. Basically, systemd is now a first class citizen in Gentoo (on par with OpenRC), and therefore there is no need at all for using my overlay. Thanks to all the people who helped me with pull requests and comments; the deprecation of the overlay is great news, since now it's officially possible in Gentoo to ditch OpenRC and switch completely to systemd. Regards. [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=409385 [2] https://github.com/canek-pelaez/gentoo-systemd-only [3] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373219 -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
[gentoo-user] fail: kde-base/kdelibs-4.10.5-r1
the above lib won't compile with a emake error. Is it me or anyone else had that type of problem ?
Re: [gentoo-user] fail: kde-base/kdelibs-4.10.5-r1
On 28/07/2013 10:56, Alain Didierjean wrote: the above lib won't compile with a emake error. Is it me or anyone else had that type of problem ? It's just you. Please post emerge output. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] failed to setup uefi boot
On 28 July 2013, at 03:06, Wankey Cheng wrote: Make sure that you're system is booted in EFI mode i didn't install a bootloader,so it can be booted in EFI mode only. Don't some boards have a BIOS compatibility mode in the motherboard settings? Stroller. PS: any chance you can set your mailer to send only plain-text messages to the list?
Re: [gentoo-user] failed to setup uefi boot
Am 28.07.2013 04:06, schrieb Wankey Cheng: Make sure that you're system is booted in EFI mode i didn't install a bootloader,so it can be booted in EFI mode only. Are you sure about that? What method of installation did you choose? The culprit when installing an EFI system is, that in order to install the bootmgr an write to the efi nvram, the install system (live cd, usb stick, etc.) has to be booted in efi mode. Most boards boot in bios compatible mode by default. and also check that the kernel module efivars is loaded. do you mean EFI variable Support via sysfs?Yes,it's built-in my kernel Does it work? Try efibootmgr in verbose mode. # efibootmgr -v BootCurrent: Timeout: 2 seconds BootOrder: ,0002,0003 Boot* gentoo HD(1,800,4,2693e7bd-d35e-4a39-9bb9-365ee533d690)File(\EFI\gentoo\grubx64.efi) Boot0002* Hard DriveBIOS(2,0,00)P3: WDC WD10EALX-229BA1 . Boot0003* Network Card BIOS(6,0,00)Realtek PXE B05 D00. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update
Am 28.07.2013 10:07, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 28.07.2013 10:04, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: The only special thing I'm doing is to mask sys-apps/systemd-204, since 205 introduced the new cgroups management code (with systemd as the only writer of the cgroups hierarchy), and it seems to cause some minor problems with logind. Other than that, it works withouth a glitch: gnome-base/gnome-3.8.0, sys-apps/systemd-204, no consolekit at all. Same here, yes. I run systemd-206 but I didn't notice an problem(s) yet. Maybe there are some and I don't get it ;-) I had one problem, but I am not sure, if it's related to systemd 204, the removal of consolekit, or gnome at all. But when logging into my gnome session, /usr/libexec/gvfsd-fuse can not be started, because the permissions of /dev/fuse are rw-- root:root Other distros like ubuntu have a fuse group for that, which does not exist on gentoo. So I assume the default permissions for /dev/fuse on gentoo machines should be rw-rw-rw- root:root? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] fail: kde-base/kdelibs-4.10.5-r1
- Mail original - De: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com À: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Envoyé: Dimanche 28 Juillet 2013 10:59:37 Objet: Re: [gentoo-user] fail: kde-base/kdelibs-4.10.5-r1 On 28/07/2013 10:56, Alain Didierjean wrote: the above lib won't compile with a emake error. Is it me or anyone else had that type of problem ? It's just you. Please post emerge output. Thanks. Emerge output: emake error. I could'nt find an emake executable. Which package contains such a beast ?
Re: [gentoo-user] fail: kde-base/kdelibs-4.10.5-r1
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 17:59:49 +0200 (CEST), Alain Didierjean wrote: the above lib won't compile with a emake error. Is it me or anyone else had that type of problem ? It's just you. Please post emerge output. Thanks. Emerge output: emake error. Your portage installation is seriously screwed if that is all the output you get. Don't try to guess which parts of the output are relevant, if you could do that you could probably work out the cause of the problem. Post the full output plus any other information that output tells you to (and it does). Remember, you are the one sat in front of your terminal, the rest of us only know what you told us, and so far your two mails have said. It doesn't work. It doesn't work because of an error. There are some clever people on this list but, AFAIK, no magicians or mind readers. I could'nt find an emake executable. Which package contains such a beast ? emake is a portage function, not a standalone executable. -- Neil Bothwick QOTD: The only easy way to tell a hamster from a gerbil is that the gerbil has more dark meat. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: bash-completion change?
On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:49:46 -0400, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: emerge -av1 \$(qfile -q -S -C /usr/share/bash-completion) little syntax help: emerge -av1 $(qfile -q -S -C /usr/share/bash-completion) emerge -1a /usr/share/bash-completion Yes we learned this trick a month or two ago. Apparently, not all of us. -- Neil Bothwick Remember that the Titanic was built by experts, and the Ark by a newbie signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Michael Hampicke m...@hadt.biz wrote: Am 28.07.2013 10:07, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 28.07.2013 10:04, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: The only special thing I'm doing is to mask sys-apps/systemd-204, since 205 introduced the new cgroups management code (with systemd as the only writer of the cgroups hierarchy), and it seems to cause some minor problems with logind. Other than that, it works withouth a glitch: gnome-base/gnome-3.8.0, sys-apps/systemd-204, no consolekit at all. Same here, yes. I run systemd-206 but I didn't notice an problem(s) yet. Maybe there are some and I don't get it ;-) I had one problem, but I am not sure, if it's related to systemd 204, the removal of consolekit, or gnome at all. But when logging into my gnome session, /usr/libexec/gvfsd-fuse can not be started, because the permissions of /dev/fuse are rw-- root:root Other distros like ubuntu have a fuse group for that, which does not exist on gentoo. So I assume the default permissions for /dev/fuse on gentoo machines should be rw-rw-rw- root:root? My problem was that *sometimes* (not always) I was unable to unlock my session after suspending my laptop or desktop. Reverting back to systemd-204 solved it, so I'm assuming that's the problem, although I didn't really investigated the issue. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] fail: kde-base/kdelibs-4.10.5-r1
On 28/07/2013 17:59, Alain Didierjean wrote:
- Mail original -
De: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
À: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Envoyé: Dimanche 28 Juillet 2013 10:59:37
Objet: Re: [gentoo-user] fail: kde-base/kdelibs-4.10.5-r1
On 28/07/2013 10:56, Alain Didierjean wrote:
the above lib won't compile with a emake error. Is it me or
anyone else had that type of problem ?
It's just you.
Please post emerge output.
Thanks. Emerge output: emake error.
I could'nt find an emake executable. Which package contains such a beast ?
No package explicity claims it:
$ ls -al /usr/lib64/portage/bin/ebuild-helpers/emake
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 922 Jul 26 16:16
/usr/lib64/portage/bin/ebuild-helpers/emake
$ equery belongs /usr/lib64/portage/bin/ebuild-helpers/emake
* Searching for /usr/lib64/portage/bin/ebuild-helpers/emake ...
alanm@khamul ~
genlop -l shows the package emerged at that time is portage. I don't
quite figure yet how the file got created and not recorded as belonging
to portage.
Maybe your's has the wrong permissions or ownership?
Here's the content of the file just in case:
#!/bin/bash
# Copyright 1999-2010 Gentoo Foundation
# Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
#
# emake: Supplies some default parameters to GNU make. At the moment the
#only parameter supplied is -jN, where N is a number of
#parallel processes that should be ideal for the running host
#(e.g. on a single-CPU machine, N=2). The MAKEOPTS variable
#is set in make.globals. We don't source make.globals
#here because emake is only called from an ebuild.
source ${PORTAGE_BIN_PATH:-/usr/lib/portage/bin}/isolated-functions.sh
if [[ $PORTAGE_QUIET != 1 ]] ; then
(
for arg in ${MAKE:-make} $MAKEOPTS $EXTRA_EMAKE $@ ; do
[[ ${arg} == * * ]] \
printf '%s' ${arg} \
|| printf %s ${arg}
done
printf \n
) 2
fi
${MAKE:-make} ${MAKEOPTS} ${EXTRA_EMAKE} $@
ret=$?
[[ $ret -ne 0 ]] __helpers_die ${0##*/} failed
exit $ret
--
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] Re: bash-completion change?
On 28/07/13 19:08, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:49:46 -0400, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: emerge -av1 \$(qfile -q -S -C /usr/share/bash-completion) little syntax help: emerge -av1 $(qfile -q -S -C /usr/share/bash-completion) emerge -1a /usr/share/bash-completion Yes we learned this trick a month or two ago. Apparently, not all of us. And apparently not even the Gentoo dev who put that message in the ebuild :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: bash-completion change?
On 28/07/2013 18:47, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 28/07/13 19:08, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:49:46 -0400, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: emerge -av1 \$(qfile -q -S -C /usr/share/bash-completion) little syntax help: emerge -av1 $(qfile -q -S -C /usr/share/bash-completion) emerge -1a /usr/share/bash-completion Yes we learned this trick a month or two ago. Apparently, not all of us. And apparently not even the Gentoo dev who put that message in the ebuild :-) I'm still stumped about what this change is for or what it does. And I've read all the bugs, all the posts here - still stumped. I get a sense that it somehow has something to do with make the ebuild $MORE_CLOSELY resemble the $BEHAVIOUR of $UPSTREAM_DEFAULT Note the variables :-) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] fail: kde-base/kdelibs-4.10.5-r1
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 18:35:07 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I could'nt find an emake executable. Which package contains such a beast ? No package explicity claims it: $ ls -al /usr/lib64/portage/bin/ebuild-helpers/emake -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 922 Jul 26 16:16 /usr/lib64/portage/bin/ebuild-helpers/emake $ equery belongs /usr/lib64/portage/bin/ebuild-helpers/emake * Searching for /usr/lib64/portage/bin/ebuild-helpers/emake ... alanm@khamul ~ genlop -l shows the package emerged at that time is portage. I don't quite figure yet how the file got created and not recorded as belonging to portage. That's the old lib vs lib64 thing ]% qfile /usr/lib64/portage/bin/ebuild-helpers/emake returns nothing except an RC of 1 % qfile /usr/lib/portage/bin/ebuild-helpers/emake sys-apps/portage (/usr/lib/portage/bin/ebuild-helpers/emake) -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 18: Taped live signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: bash-completion change?
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 19:47:38 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Yes we learned this trick a month or two ago. Apparently, not all of us. And apparently not even the Gentoo dev who put that message in the ebuild :-) Is is portage 2.2 only? I don't have anything with portage 2.1 installed to check. -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 38: Government organization signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: [~amd64] Some possibly (?) helpful hints re the big gnome-3.8 update
On 07/28/2013 01:04 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: I finally updated; I had no problems whatsoever. The only way I could solve all of the conflicts on my openrc machine was to enable the systemd useflag globally (to prevent consolekit and udev being pulled in). It's updating to gnome-3.8 now and I'm sure it will take all night. With systemd being used by several critical gnome packages I'm thinking that systemd will indeed need to be running for all those packages to work correctly. But I'll find out tomorrow :)
Re: [gentoo-user] fail: kde-base/kdelibs-4.10.5-r1
On 28/07/2013 20:23, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 18:35:07 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I could'nt find an emake executable. Which package contains such a beast ? No package explicity claims it: $ ls -al /usr/lib64/portage/bin/ebuild-helpers/emake -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 922 Jul 26 16:16 /usr/lib64/portage/bin/ebuild-helpers/emake $ equery belongs /usr/lib64/portage/bin/ebuild-helpers/emake * Searching for /usr/lib64/portage/bin/ebuild-helpers/emake ... alanm@khamul ~ genlop -l shows the package emerged at that time is portage. I don't quite figure yet how the file got created and not recorded as belonging to portage. That's the old lib vs lib64 thing ]% qfile /usr/lib64/portage/bin/ebuild-helpers/emake returns nothing except an RC of 1 % qfile /usr/lib/portage/bin/ebuild-helpers/emake sys-apps/portage (/usr/lib/portage/bin/ebuild-helpers/emake) Good catch, I missed that $ ls -ald /usr/lib* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Jan 5 2012 /usr/lib - lib64 drwxr-xr-x 50 root root 53248 Jul 23 10:00 /usr/lib32 drwxr-xr-x 163 root root 163840 Jul 27 01:50 /usr/lib64 drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 4096 Jul 27 01:50 /usr/libexec -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] Re: bash-completion change?
On 28/07/13 21:25, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 19:47:38 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Yes we learned this trick a month or two ago. Apparently, not all of us. And apparently not even the Gentoo dev who put that message in the ebuild :-) Is is portage 2.2 only? I don't have anything with portage 2.1 installed to check. Works with 2.1 from ~arch too. And it has for a while now; it's just something I used only once or twice and tend to forget about it.
Re: [gentoo-user] failed to setup uefi boot
I following the step from handbook and http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/UEFI_Gentoo_Quick_Install_Guide. and sometime after i boot from usb(efi mode),i will see the message this is none ...when i login with root ,i found that (none)#...what's wrong with it ? The last,I have give up boot from uefi now ,maybe i should use grub for easy,i hope i can success after i learn more. 2013/7/28 Michael Hampicke m...@hadt.biz Am 28.07.2013 04:06, schrieb Wankey Cheng: Make sure that you're system is booted in EFI mode i didn't install a bootloader,so it can be booted in EFI mode only. Are you sure about that? What method of installation did you choose? The culprit when installing an EFI system is, that in order to install the bootmgr an write to the efi nvram, the install system (live cd, usb stick, etc.) has to be booted in efi mode. Most boards boot in bios compatible mode by default. and also check that the kernel module efivars is loaded. do you mean EFI variable Support via sysfs?Yes,it's built-in my kernel Does it work? Try efibootmgr in verbose mode. # efibootmgr -v BootCurrent: Timeout: 2 seconds BootOrder: ,0002,0003 Boot* gentoo HD(1,800,4,2693e7bd-d35e-4a39-9bb9-365ee533d690)File(\EFI\gentoo\grubx64.efi) Boot0002* Hard DriveBIOS(2,0,00)P3: WDC WD10EALX-229BA1 . Boot0003* Network Card BIOS(6,0,00)Realtek PXE B05 D00.
[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo-systemd-only deprecation
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 03:22:02 -0500 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Basically, systemd is now a first class citizen in Gentoo (on par with OpenRC), and therefore there is no need at all for using my overlay. Thanks to all the people who helped me with pull requests and comments; the deprecation of the overlay is great news, since now it's officially possible in Gentoo to ditch OpenRC and switch completely to systemd. Thanks for all the work everybody's done on this, and thanks in advance for all the work to come. The emphasis on choice is one of the main reasons I'm a Gentoo user, and it's good to see you care about providing choice for such an important thing as system manager. And thanks for ensuring that no disruption was caused to those of us who continue to choose OpenRC. (Or IMO trivial disruption at worst, like the little bits of cruft that can be install-masked.) Another of the main reasons I use Gentoo is (well, was) the emphasis on proving thorough, clear information. I don't know enough about init systems to really judge, but https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd looks very thorough, and it's definitely clear, so thanks for that too.
