The 17/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
It depends; right now you can't switch back and forth between OpenRC
and systemd without reemerging some stuff.
Interesting. Didn't know that. What packages need to be recompiled?
BTW, respect for your patience in this thread!
--
Nicolas Sebrecht
On 18/02/2014 05:46, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 3:53 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 17/02/2014 17:29, Stroller wrote:
On Sun, 16 February 2014, at 4:41 pm, Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
...
Whatever problems Red Hat are
On Tue, February 18, 2014 10:47, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 18/02/2014 05:46, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
I used to use cherokee. Fast, light, awesome, and with a web admin.
The init script always failed me. /etc/init.d/cherokee stop was not a
guaranteed stop to all forked cherokee processes - the
On Sun, February 16, 2014 22:16, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
oh? I can pipe that output into cat or any any daemon I like? Doesn't
look like so.
But it does, you can cat with journalctl; it's one of its
On 18/02/2014 11:52, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Tue, February 18, 2014 10:47, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 18/02/2014 05:46, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
I used to use cherokee. Fast, light, awesome, and with a web admin.
The init script always failed me. /etc/init.d/cherokee stop was not a
guaranteed
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 19:09:40 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
How Integrated? The TCP/IP stack *is* integrated. But it is *protocol*
integration, *standards* integration not *software* integration. You do want
tight integration where it just can't work otherwise, but the design of Unix
On 2014-02-17 3:17 PM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gmail.com wrote:
OK, my choice of words was not appropriate. I mean that not every
kernel dev is happy that kdbus is in the kernel now.
Noted...
Also, please don't CC me, I'm on the list...
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 5:52 PM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Tue, February 18, 2014 10:47, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 18/02/2014 05:46, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
I used to use cherokee. Fast, light, awesome, and with a web admin.
The init script always failed me. /etc/init.d/cherokee
On Tue, February 18, 2014 12:54, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 5:52 PM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Tue, February 18, 2014 10:47, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 18/02/2014 05:46, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
I used to use cherokee. Fast, light, awesome, and with a web
On Tue, February 18, 2014 12:17, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 18/02/2014 11:52, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Tue, February 18, 2014 10:47, Alan McKinnon wrote:
What I do run into is daemons that drop privs on start up, like
tac_plus. Unwary new sysadmins always try start/stop it as root,
causing
an
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 23:30:42 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Gevisz gev...@gmail.com wrote:
[ snip ]
How can you be sure if something is large enough if, as you say
below, you do not care about probabilities?
By writing correct code?
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote:
The 17/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
It depends; right now you can't switch back and forth between OpenRC
and systemd without reemerging some stuff.
Interesting. Didn't know that. What packages need to be
Hi,
i'm trying to set up a simple bluetooth keyboard, but somehow it won't
work :-)
This is my setup:
Systemd + GDM + Fluxbox (this is the easiest way for me to use
gnome-stuff like gnome-keyring-daemon, ... In the background my fluxbox
is also running a gnome-settings-daemon)
hcitool dev
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 3:54 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On Sun, February 16, 2014 22:16, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
oh? I can pipe that output into cat or any any daemon I like? Doesn't
Ralf ralf+gen...@ramses-pyramidenbau.de wrote:
Hi,
i'm trying to set up a simple bluetooth keyboard, but somehow it won't
work :-)
This is my setup:
Systemd + GDM + Fluxbox (this is the easiest way for me to use
gnome-stuff like gnome-keyring-daemon, ... In the background my fluxbox
is
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 5:35 AM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 19:09:40 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
How Integrated? The TCP/IP stack *is* integrated. But it is *protocol*
integration, *standards* integration not *software* integration. You do
want
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Ralf
ralf+gen...@ramses-pyramidenbau.de wrote:
Hi,
i'm trying to set up a simple bluetooth keyboard, but somehow it won't work
:-)
This is my setup:
Systemd + GDM + Fluxbox (this is the easiest way for me to use gnome-stuff
like gnome-keyring-daemon, ... In
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:46:14 +0800 Mark David Dumlao wrote:
init scripts, in general, are ad-hoc, quirky, and incomplete
implementations of service supervision in bash. They're reliable so
long as the daemon can be relied on to advertise one or all of its
processes in a pid file. Thing is,
On 02/18/14 16:05, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
install gnome-bluetooth and run blue
This is what I get:
(bluetooth-wizard:3156): Bluetooth-WARNING **: Pair() failed:
Timeout was reached
** (bluetooth-wizard:3156): WARNING **: Setting up 'KC1280 BT
Keyboard' failed: Timeout was
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Ralf
ralf+gen...@ramses-pyramidenbau.de wrote:
On 02/18/14 16:05, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
install gnome-bluetooth and run blue
This is what I get:
(bluetooth-wizard:3156): Bluetooth-WARNING **: Pair() failed: Timeout was
reached
**
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Ralf
ralf+gen...@ramses-pyramidenbau.de wrote:
On 02/18/14 17:10, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
systemctl status bluetooth.service
Yes, sure, as I wrote above.
Active: active (running) since Tue 2014-02-18 16:57:05 CET; 15min ago
ps auxw|grep bluetoot
On 02/18/14 17:10, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
systemctl status bluetooth.service
Yes, sure, as I wrote above.
Active: active (running) since Tue 2014-02-18 16:57:05 CET; 15min ago
ps auxw|grep bluetoot
root 3571 27.6 0.0 21200 2112 ?Rs 16:57 4:29
Hi all,
Ok, before I go and open up a bug requesting this...
I know there have to be a lot of people on this list who can answer
this question...
Is making the use of systemd or not based on a selected Profile, as
opposed to manually trying to do it via USE flags etc, a practical
request,
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:35:34 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
[...]
Complexity means bugs.
Bugs get reported, bugs get fixes. Life goes on.
You didn't answered this, did you?
Bugs are different.
Bugs are bugs, period. And they get reported and fixed.
Bugs are not equal. They
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:24:05 -0500, Tanstaafl
tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
Hi all,
Ok, before I go and open up a bug requesting this...
I know there have to be a lot of people on this list who can answer
this question...
Is making the use of systemd or not based on a selected
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 04:05:03 +0200 Gevisz wrote:
I mean, I myself know a thing or two about computing and Linux, and I
promote systemd (and nobody pays me, BTW), but obviously you don't
need to believe in my credentials.
I have said you, he is just an unpayed fanatic systemd promoter!
I got it working!
But I can't reproduce what i did..
I played around with bluetoothctl which seems to be a interactive
replacement for simple-agent.
After powering my bluetooth device on and off, trusting and untrusting,
pairing and unpairing for several times it now *seems* to work.
It even
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
Hi all,
Ok, before I go and open up a bug requesting this...
I know there have to be a lot of people on this list who can answer this
question...
Is making the use of systemd or not based on a selected Profile, as
Oh no... After turning of the keyboard, bluetoothd start to consume 100%
CPU...
I have to run systemctl restart bluetooth after unconnecting my device.
Come on...
On 02/18/14 17:49, Ralf wrote:
I got it working!
But I can't reproduce what i did..
I played around with bluetoothctl which
On 2014-02-18 11:39 AM, eroen er...@falcon.eroen.eu wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:24:05 -0500, Tanstaafl
tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
Hi all,
Ok, before I go and open up a bug requesting this...
I know there have to be a lot of people on this list who can answer
this question...
Is
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 23:30:42 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Gevisz gev...@gmail.com wrote:
[ snip ]
How can you be sure if something is large enough if, as you say below,
you do not care about probabilities?
By writing correct code?
Real world code
How to unsubscribe?
2014.02.18. 17:26 ezt írta (Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org):
Hi all,
Ok, before I go and open up a bug requesting this...
I know there have to be a lot of people on this list who can answer this
question...
Is making the use of systemd or not based on a selected
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
Bugs are not equal. They differ in at least two dimensions:
significance depending on the component affected and severity of the
bug itself.
I've never said that they don't have different significance, severity
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 20:43:22 +0400
Andrew Savchenko birc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 04:05:03 +0200 Gevisz wrote:
I mean, I myself know a thing or two about computing and Linux,
and I promote systemd (and nobody pays me, BTW), but obviously
you don't need to believe in my
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 04:05:03 +0200 Gevisz wrote:
I mean, I myself know a thing or two about computing and Linux, and I
promote systemd (and nobody pays me, BTW), but obviously you don't
need to believe in my
Burst out laughing reading this mail after reading this thread and the
other systemd one.
Anyways you'll find instructions here http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Simon László
wingtsun.misk...@gmail.com wrote:
How to unsubscribe?
2014.02.18. 17:26 ezt
On Tuesday 18 February 2014 09:54 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
Hi all,
Ok, before I go and open up a bug requesting this...
I know there have to be a lot of people on this list who can answer this
question...
Is making the use of systemd or not based on a selected Profile, as
opposed to
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 23:30:42 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Gevisz gev...@gmail.com wrote:
[ snip ]
How can you be sure if something is large enough if, as you say below,
you do
I'll try to be short.
On 18.02.2014 05:09, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
The whole point of creating new software is making things easier. Easier to
use, easier to maintain, easier to remove.
Well, systemd is easier to use after a little time learning how it
works. And it seems to be easier to
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Ralf
ralf+gen...@ramses-pyramidenbau.de wrote:
Oh no... After turning of the keyboard, bluetoothd start to consume 100%
CPU...
I have to run systemctl restart bluetooth after unconnecting my device.
Please don't top-post.
That seems like a bug. What does the
Ralf ralf+gen...@ramses-pyramidenbau.de wrote:
Oh no... After turning of the keyboard, bluetoothd start to consume 100%
CPU...
I have to run systemctl restart bluetooth after unconnecting my device.
Come on...
On 02/18/14 17:49, Ralf wrote:
I got it working!
But I can't reproduce
On Tuesday 18 February 2014 10:46 PM, Yohan Pereira wrote:
Burst out laughing reading this mail after reading this thread and the
other systemd one.
Anyways you'll find instructions here
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml.
Don't you like jokers? ;-)
No offense, but RTFM!
Am Dienstag 18 Februar 2014, 11:24:05 schrieb Tanstaafl:
Is making the use of systemd or not based on a selected Profile, as
opposed to manually trying to do it via USE flags etc, a practical
request, or not?
Have a look at the files in profiles/targets/systemd/
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:49:47 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
The whole deep integration approach and lack of
inter-module boundaries doesn't allow one to write replaceable blocks
without crazy hacking.
Well, then go and show them how it's done. And please don't say that
it's already
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Yuri K. Shatroff yks-...@yandex.ru wrote:
I'll try to be short.
[ snip ]
You, as a person declaring ability to code, must understand what
removal/substitution of components is important for.
In some cases it is; in some others it just creates a chaos, like it
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:22:23 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Yet again, I respect ones right to use whatever one wants, but I ask
to respect mine as well. That's why I propose a separate systemd
profile for those willing to use it.
Then write. Just be aware that to write a systemd
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:22:23 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Yet again, I respect ones right to use whatever one wants, but I ask
to respect mine as well. That's why I propose a separate systemd
profile for those
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:49:47 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
The whole deep integration approach and lack of
inter-module boundaries doesn't allow one to write replaceable blocks
without crazy hacking.
Well, then
On 2014-02-18 1:14 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:22:23 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Yet again, I respect ones right to use whatever one wants, but I ask
to respect mine as
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On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 23:30:42 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés
can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Gevisz gev...@gmail.com
wrote: [ snip ]
How can you be sure if something is large enough if, as
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2014-02-18 1:14 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:22:23 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Yet
On 2014-02-18 1:54 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On
Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
I'm curious as to the extent of these programs, and to what extent
they *truly* require systemd.
I don't understand what you mean by the extent of
On Tue, Feb 18 2014, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote:
The 17/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
It depends; right now you can't switch back and forth between OpenRC
and systemd without reemerging some stuff.
Interesting.
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:07:12 +0400, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
Then write. Just be aware that to write a systemd profile, you need to
use systemd.
Or to create a non-systemd profile :)
We already have many of those, because systemd is not the default. Part
of making it the default, if that
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2014-02-18 1:54 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On
Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
I'm curious as to the extent of these programs, and to what extent
they
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:07:12 +0400, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
Then write. Just be aware that to write a systemd profile, you need to
use systemd.
Or to create a non-systemd profile :)
We already have many of those,
On 16.02.2014 21:56, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Hello List.
and all are linked (not compilelink) in such a manner that you can't
just pick and choose. Oh no, you get the full treatment if you like it
or not.
A few weeks ago I wanted to see what systemd is really like so I started
a little
On Feb 18, 2014 3:05 PM, Sebastian Beßler sebast...@darkmetatron.de
wrote:
On 16.02.2014 21:56, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Hello List.
and all are linked (not compilelink) in such a manner that you can't
just pick and choose. Oh no, you get the full treatment if you like it
or not.
A
Am Dienstag, 18.02.2014 um 14:09
schrieb Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org:
I can't for the life of me think of any reason that server daemons
like postfix, dovecot, apache, etc would or could ever *require*
systemd.
Neither of those packages would ever require systemd (nor any init
On 18/02/2014 23:32, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
And you always can run other legacy logger alongside the journal, and
have both things; binary logs for fast retrieval, and text logs if you
so desire.
Please do not use that phrase legacy in this context.
Classic syslogging is not legacy. It
On 18/02/2014 13:54, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
Shouldn't sysadmins use the init-scripts for that?
If done correctly, permissions should not be an issue.
Restarting services without keeping file ownership into account will
always cause issues. Regardless of the init-system used.
That's
On 18/02/2014 14:16, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Tue, February 18, 2014 12:17, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 18/02/2014 11:52, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Tue, February 18, 2014 10:47, Alan McKinnon wrote:
What I do run into is daemons that drop privs on start up, like
tac_plus. Unwary new sysadmins always
On 18/02/2014 18:24, Tanstaafl wrote:
Hi all,
Ok, before I go and open up a bug requesting this...
I know there have to be a lot of people on this list who can answer this
question...
Is making the use of systemd or not based on a selected Profile, as
opposed to manually trying to do
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18/02/2014 23:32, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
And you always can run other legacy logger alongside the journal, and
have both things; binary logs for fast retrieval, and text logs if you
so desire.
Please do not
On Feb 18, 2014 1:13 PM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On 18 February 2014 06:03:02 CET, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
Hello list!
I'm planning to replace an Active Directory server currently
functioning
*only* as an LDAP server, with a dedicated Linux-based LDAP server.
On 19 February 2014 05:11:12 CET, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On Feb 18, 2014 1:13 PM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
On 18 February 2014 06:03:02 CET, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info
wrote:
Hello list!
I'm planning to replace an Active Directory server currently
On 02/18/2014 12:14 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:22:23 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Yet again, I respect ones right to use whatever one wants, but I ask
to respect mine as well. That's why
On Wed, February 19, 2014 00:06, Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 18/02/2014 14:16, J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Tue, February 18, 2014 12:17, Alan McKinnon wrote:
It's a little more complex than just that. It's an auth service and
user
are frequently added, removed and modified. The daemon does syntax
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Daniel Campbell li...@sporkbox.us wrote:
On 02/18/2014 12:14 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Andrew Savchenko birc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:22:23 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Yet again, I respect ones right
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