Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-26 Thread Gevisz
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:45:31 +0100 Marc Stürmer m...@marc-stuermer.de wrote: Am 25.11.2014 um 18:44 schrieb Gevisz: It usually took me from 10 to 20 minutes to download my daily updates in Ubuntu. For big packages - about 40 minutes or even more. That's the time saving aspect lol

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-26 Thread thegeezer
On 25/11/14 23:35, Emanuele Rusconi wrote: On 25 November 2014 at 23:42, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: The point was that it could be changed. […] […] It's about as on-topic and relevant as WinXP. No, the point was that sometimes even a small annoyance is plenty enough to drive

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-26 Thread thegeezer
On 24/11/14 19:13, Marc Stürmer wrote: Am 24.11.2014 um 19:25 schrieb Gevisz: I switched from Ubuntu 10.04 to Gentoo just because it forced closing window button x to the upper-left corner of the window in Unity of Ubuntu 12.04 while I used to look for it in the upper-right corner. :) So, I

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:06:23 +, thegeezer wrote: * stable releases with a more or less stable and predictable release cycle, debatable - i would suggest better tested than stable otherwise there would be no need for debian bugzilla The vagaries of English strike again! When Debian

[gentoo-user] Layman - list any/all apps installed from a layman repo

2014-11-26 Thread Tanstaafl
Is this possible? I have two layman repos I have added at some point in time in the past: sunrise, and ultrabug. I'd like to see what, if any packages, I have installed from them, and see if I can remove them and ultimately remove the layman repo. Thanks

Re: [gentoo-user] Layman - list any/all apps installed from a layman repo

2014-11-26 Thread Александр Паутов
man eix ... --in-overlay overlay Only match packages with at least one version in an overlay matching overlay. --only-in-overlay overlay Only match packages which have only versions in an overlay matching overlay. -J, --installed-overlay Only

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-26 Thread thegeezer
On 2014-11-22 18:12, wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: The first 100 or so I looked at, are deprecated. They just need somebody to 'remove them' the BGO java backlog is being artificially used to prevent java work on gentoo. Somebody of authority needs to open up java for other folks to work on.

Re: [gentoo-user] Layman - list any/all apps installed from a layman repo

2014-11-26 Thread Tanstaafl
On 11/26/2014 9:28 AM, Александр Паутов sh2d0...@gmail.com wrote: man eix Ah, I thought I'd need to do this with the layman command. Thanks! -J, --installed-overlay Only match packages which have been installed from some overlay. To get a completely reliable

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-26 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:21 AM, thegee...@thegeezer.net wrote: all of gentoo council meetings happen on irc if i remember right so it's not like there is an elite group deciding fate they are just sorting things that need to be sorted. Per Gentoo's social contract [1] we try to be open

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-26 Thread hasufell
Rich Freeman: There has been a desire for a long time to try to make it easier to contribute, but in the end people have to step up to make that happen. Those who are most passionate about it are of course the best candidates to try to drive change. That's a common misconception in

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-26 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:29 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: That's a common misconception in gentoo. Someone has an idea and no one cares until he makes it happen. A lot of ideas are not so trivial that you can just make it happen. You need consensus, a shift of thinking, workflow

Re: [gentoo-user] World update and changed PYTHON_TARGETS

2014-11-26 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Tue, 25 Nov 2014 04:35:37 +0100 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de: Hey list during yesterday's upgrade I read the news about python 3.4 being the new profile default. [...] Perhaps you've noticed by now, but the change was reverted in the meantime. Furthermore, eselect news shows

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-26 Thread hasufell
I still don't see a good argument why we made our system so inflexible, that obviously needed change needs such high amount of work, PR and proof. Trying to improve gaming in gentoo took me 2 years full of work just to realize it is a dead end and I am doing most of the work alone. The necessity

Re: [gentoo-user] World update and changed PYTHON_TARGETS

2014-11-26 Thread thegeezer
On 26/11/14 18:23, Marc Joliet wrote: Am Tue, 25 Nov 2014 04:35:37 +0100 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de: Hey list during yesterday's upgrade I read the news about python 3.4 being the new profile default. [...] Perhaps you've noticed by now, but the change was reverted in the

[gentoo-user] Re: World update and changed PYTHON_TARGETS

2014-11-26 Thread »Q«
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:23:48 +0100 Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de wrote: Am Tue, 25 Nov 2014 04:35:37 +0100 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de: Hey list during yesterday's upgrade I read the news about python 3.4 being the new profile default. [...] Perhaps you've noticed by

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-26 Thread konsolebox
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:29 PM, hasufell hasuf...@gentoo.org wrote: I don't know of literally any big project except gentoo that still does not _require_ a review workflow. Git would be the perfect excuse to make it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: World update and changed PYTHON_TARGETS

2014-11-26 Thread Jarry
On 26-Nov-14 21:03, »Q« wrote: during yesterday's upgrade I read the news about python 3.4 being the new profile default. [...] Perhaps you've noticed by now, but the change was reverted in the meantime. Furthermore, eselect news shows that the news entry got deleted, too: % eselect news

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-26 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:28 PM, konsolebox konsole...@gmail.com wrote: Is it really official that most significant people on Gentoo don't like the change from CVS to Git? Has there been a general discussion about it, and what is basically everyone's general argument to it? Just in case

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-26 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:39:17AM +0200, Gevisz wrote Moreover, if I had to maintain computers for *other* users, I would not mind to upgrade their binary distributions every 2 or, better, every 5 years even if *their* working environment would every time change from Gnome2 to Unity and

Re: [gentoo-user] The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now

2014-11-26 Thread Marc Stürmer
Am 26.11.2014 um 21:39 schrieb Walter Dnes: I've been running ICEWM for over 4 years, and blackbox for a few years before that. What desktop interface change? :) Switching to ratpoison or i3wm, of course. :

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-26 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 26.11.2014 um 21:39 schrieb Rich Freeman: Most devs can't wait to switch to git. There are a few who might prefer to stick with cvs but overall I don't think that is preventing us from switching at all. (without having read the whole thread, sorry) my *personal opinion* is that git

Re: [gentoo-user] World update and changed PYTHON_TARGETS

2014-11-26 Thread wraeth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 27/11/14 06:28, thegeezer wrote: On 26/11/14 18:23, Marc Joliet wrote: Am Tue, 25 Nov 2014 04:35:37 +0100 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de: during yesterday's upgrade I read the news about python 3.4 being the new profile default.

[gentoo-user] Re: World update and changed PYTHON_TARGETS

2014-11-26 Thread »Q«
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 08:59:28 +1100 wraeth wra...@wraeth.id.au wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 27/11/14 06:28, thegeezer wrote: On 26/11/14 18:23, Marc Joliet wrote: Am Tue, 25 Nov 2014 04:35:37 +0100 schrieb Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de: during

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-26 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Sometimes I wonder why syncing portage isn't yet available via git ;-) Well, right now it is because it is too much of a pain to try to keep cvs and git in sync. However, the plan for the future is to have a master

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-26 Thread Paige Thompson
you might check out webrsync fwiw On 11/26/14 23:43, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Sometimes I wonder why syncing portage isn't yet available via git ;-) Well, right now it is because it is too much of a pain to try to keep

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-26 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Paige Thompson erra...@yourstruly.sx wrote: you might check out webrsync fwiw Webrsync is great, of course, but not really the same thing as git. Changelogs will also go away when we move to git. -- Rich

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-26 Thread Paige Thompson
You know I don't think thats going to happen because if you look at layman its not as if they didn't think of using git for package trees; all of them do use git. A good example of why I don't think they will be using git for portage: ``git clone https://git.kernel.org' This takes a very long

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-26 Thread Paige Thompson
Have a look at this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2935899/is-there-any-git-repository-with-official-daily-updated-gentoo-portage On 11/27/14 02:03, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Paige Thompson erra...@yourstruly.sx wrote: you might check out webrsync fwiw Webrsync

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-26 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Paige Thompson erra...@yourstruly.sx wrote: A good example of why I don't think they will be using git for portage: ``git clone https://git.kernel.org' This takes a very long time and a lot of bandwidth and a lot of space. Why move data that isn't going to be

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo's future directtion ?

2014-11-26 Thread hasufell
Paige Thompson: You know I don't think thats going to happen because if you look at layman its not as if they didn't think of using git for package trees; all of them do use git. A good example of why I don't think they will be using git for portage: ``git clone https://git.kernel.org'