[gentoo-user] Re: Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha

2014-11-30 Thread »Q«
On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 07:43:21 +0300 Andrew Savchenko wrote: > On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 17:32:08 +0100 Marc Stürmer wrote: > > Am 29.11.2014 um 11:11 schrieb Pandu Poluan: > > > > > What do you think, people? Shouldn't we offer them our eudev > > > project to assist? > > > > Since Eudev has always

Re: [gentoo-user] TPM feature - do I need it?

2014-11-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Mick wrote: > On Sunday 30 Nov 2014 19:05:52 thegeezer wrote: >> *if* you trust it is not backdoored > > Well, yes, in the post Snowden era I do not trust it. At all. > Keep in mind that you have to consider your threat model. I think it is fairly likely that th

Re: [gentoo-user] TPM feature - do I need it?

2014-11-30 Thread Mick
On Sunday 30 Nov 2014 19:05:52 thegeezer wrote: > *if* you trust it is not backdoored Well, yes, in the post Snowden era I do not trust it. At all. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha

2014-11-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 16:33:23 +, Mick wrote: > > Red Hat open source everything, so while they can pay for the > > development of the code, they can never own it. Yes, their money > > gives them control of what is and is not developed by those they are > > paying, but it gives them neither excl

Re: [gentoo-user] TPM feature - do I need it?

2014-11-30 Thread thegeezer
On 29/11/14 19:53, Mick wrote: > I'm looking to buy a new PC and while looking at FM2+ MoBos I saw ASUS offers > one with a TPM feature. It also sells it as a separate component it seems: > > http://us.estore.asus.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=5793 > > I recall reading in this list about it,

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha

2014-11-30 Thread Marc Stürmer
Am 30.11.2014 um 17:39 schrieb Daniel Frey: > systemd most certainly is monolithic as well as modular. You can't run journald without systemd and you most certainly can't replace journald with a third party binary. IMHO this type of discussion leads to nowhere. Of course you can view it like

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha

2014-11-30 Thread Daniel Frey
On 11/30/2014 05:13 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > systemd isn't monolithic so I can only assume you are referring to the > Linux kernel here :) systemd most certainly is monolithic as well as modular. You can't run journald without systemd and you most certainly can't replace journald with a third pa

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha

2014-11-30 Thread Mick
On Sunday 30 Nov 2014 13:13:02 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:01:33 +, Mick wrote: > > Nevertheless, I support moving away from a RHL sponsored > > monolithic binary and hopefully if not today it will happen eventually. > > systemd isn't monolithic so I can only assume you are r

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Purpose of bashcomp_alias in bash-completion-r1.eclass?

2014-11-30 Thread Florian Gamböck
Am 30.11.2014 um 16:27 schrieb James: [gentoo-dev] [news item review] bash-completion-2.1-r90, version 2 circa 11/10/14. Thank you, that was really worth reading. I'm not completely convinced yet, but it may be a starting point for further investigations. -- Flo

[gentoo-user] Re: Purpose of bashcomp_alias in bash-completion-r1.eclass?

2014-11-30 Thread James
Florian Gamböck floga.de> writes: > Before reporting a bug I wanted to hear other opinions on that: In > bash-completion-r1.eclass, what is the true purpose of bashcomp_alias? There was a detailed discussion in gentoo-dev that is excellent reading on this issue: [gentoo-dev] [news item revi

[gentoo-user] Re: flag details

2014-11-30 Thread James
Frank Steinmetzger gmx.de> writes: > > A tool with perhaps more detail or that parse the ebuild/sources > > for even greater detail information? > I was out of country so couldn't read mail the last few days. > My answer to your question: ufed > This program seems very little known around the

[gentoo-user] Purpose of bashcomp_alias in bash-completion-r1.eclass?

2014-11-30 Thread Florian Gamböck
Good day! Before reporting a bug I wanted to hear other opinions on that: In bash-completion-r1.eclass, what is the true purpose of bashcomp_alias? For now I only see error messages when trying to "eselect bashcomp enable" two aliases of the same script because of the same linkname. What bene

Re: [gentoo-user] TPM feature - do I need it?

2014-11-30 Thread Rich Freeman
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 4:41 AM, Mick wrote: > > OK, but as I understand it although I can set up a passhphrase for the private > key stored by the current oligopoly of manufacturers in a TPM, I can't extract > it from the TPM. Would this mean that I will have no means of decrypting my > drive, if

Re: [gentoo-user] OT somehow: experiences around linode

2014-11-30 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 30.11.2014 um 12:59 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: > Am 30.11.2014 um 12:49 schrieb Pandu Poluan: > >> It performs magic tricks to read the /boot proper, because / might be on a >> different partition or even different virtual disk, but 99% of the time it >> works automagically. >> >> It's the 1

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha

2014-11-30 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:01:33 +, Mick wrote: > Nevertheless, I support moving away from a RHL sponsored > monolithic binary and hopefully if not today it will happen eventually. systemd isn't monolithic so I can only assume you are referring to the Linux kernel here :) Red Hat open source ev

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha

2014-11-30 Thread Mick
On Sunday 30 Nov 2014 12:29:07 Marc Stürmer wrote: > Am 30.11.2014 um 12:44 schrieb Philip Webb: > > A rather shrewd analysis ; the name 'Devuan' adds to my suspicions. > > Well, the people behind it claim to be mostly from Italy and this should > be pronounced like "DevOne." > > People so far wh

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha

2014-11-30 Thread Marc Stürmer
Am 30.11.2014 um 12:44 schrieb Philip Webb: A rather shrewd analysis ; the name 'Devuan' adds to my suspicions. Well, the people behind it claim to be mostly from Italy and this should be pronounced like "DevOne." People so far who have published their names do include: - Franco Lanza (who

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha

2014-11-30 Thread Bill Kenworthy
On 30/11/14 12:35, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > On Sat, 29 Nov 2014 22:32:18 -0500 Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Bill Kenworthy wrote: >>> I am already really annoyed that by default >>> systemd and apps designed to work with it leave traces on openrc based >>> systems. >> >

Re: [gentoo-user] OT somehow: experiences around linode

2014-11-30 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 30.11.2014 um 12:49 schrieb Pandu Poluan: > It performs magic tricks to read the /boot proper, because / might be on a > different partition or even different virtual disk, but 99% of the time it > works automagically. > > It's the 1% that you should be scared of :-) Ah, at least something! ;

Re: [gentoo-user] OT somehow: experiences around linode

2014-11-30 Thread Pandu Poluan
On 18:00, Sun, Nov 30, 2014 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 30.11.2014 um 11:57 schrieb J. Roeleveld: > No, pv-grub is run inside the context of the host, using a kernel image inside the VM. ... which is not in /boot as far as I see. So if I want to add kernel-boot-time-options I have to instal

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha

2014-11-30 Thread Philip Webb
141130 Marc Stürmer wrote: > The point though is that the way this fork was being announced is quite > simple the worst way to do it. The announcement was not signed by any > name and just made by someone named "Majordomo Debianfork." Not that's > why I do call a bad way to start such a project

[gentoo-user] Empty sync

2014-11-30 Thread Peter Humphrey
Hello list, Well, that was novel. Yesterday when I ran emerge --sync as usual, not a single file was transferred, other than timestamp.chk. I tried it again with a different mirror with the same result. I can't remember ever seeing that happen before. Today it was back to normal again. -- Rg

Re: [gentoo-user] OT somehow: experiences around linode

2014-11-30 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 30.11.2014 um 11:57 schrieb J. Roeleveld: > No, pv-grub is run inside the context of the host, using a kernel image > inside the VM. ... which is not in /boot as far as I see. So if I want to add kernel-boot-time-options I have to install my own kernel plus the entry in menu.lst, correct? Th

Re: [gentoo-user] OT somehow: experiences around linode

2014-11-30 Thread J. Roeleveld
On 30 November 2014 11:45:21 CET, "Stefan G. Weichinger" wrote: >Am 30.11.2014 um 00:57 schrieb Al: >> Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: >>> Who has rent a virtual server at linode.com and what is your >opinion? >> >> I have two servers with Linode, one running Gentoo, and Debian on the >other. >> >>

Re: [gentoo-user] OT somehow: experiences around linode

2014-11-30 Thread Stefan G. Weichinger
Am 30.11.2014 um 00:57 schrieb Al: > Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: >> Who has rent a virtual server at linode.com and what is your opinion? > > I have two servers with Linode, one running Gentoo, and Debian on the other. > > My experience has been great so far. > > My only contact with support was

Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha

2014-11-30 Thread Marc Stürmer
Am , schrieb Bill Kenworthy: I read "Veteran Unix Admins collective" as a category that old style admin types fall into - the background being that systemd is essentially the old guard, do things based on experience and good practice vs the new guard whose use case is throw away vm's that are

Re: [gentoo-user] TPM feature - do I need it?

2014-11-30 Thread Mick
On Sunday 30 Nov 2014 03:21:16 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Mick wrote: Thanks Rich, > > Also, what happens if the TPM chip, or the whole MoBo blows up? Will I > > ever be able to access my data using another PC? > > Only if you encrypted it. A TPM chip doesn't do m