Re: [gentoo-user] sys-fs/static-dev-0.1 Cannot install on udev/devfs tmpfs.

2015-07-24 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 02:30:18 PM Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 12:56:41 -0500, Dale wrote: So, after fighting to get it to build, they remove it and it wants to go back to the old version I had that worked. ROFLMBO And today's lesson is: If an ebuild

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-fs/static-dev-0.1 Cannot install on udev/devfs tmpfs.

2015-07-24 Thread Dale
J. Roeleveld wrote: On Wednesday, July 22, 2015 02:30:18 PM Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 12:56:41 -0500, Dale wrote: So, after fighting to get it to build, they remove it and it wants to go back to the old version I had that worked. ROFLMBO And today's lesson is: If

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-fs/static-dev-0.1 Cannot install on udev/devfs tmpfs.

2015-07-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 02:20:53 -0500, Dale wrote: True but I had already re-synced a few times by then. I'm pretty sure what Neil was thinking is that when I synced, I just caught the tree in a state where some ebuilds were updated and some were not. Yes, it happens and usually resolves itself

Re: [gentoo-user] The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:44 AM, Jc García jyo.gar...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-07-23 21:08 GMT-06:00 J.Rutkowski j...@pancakebungalow.com: Fedora's Ambassador[2] project and the concerted effort placed in organizing presence at events, publicly promoting projects, organzing contributor and

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-fs/static-dev-0.1 Cannot install on udev/devfs tmpfs.

2015-07-24 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 24 July 2015 09:51:47 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 02:20:53 -0500, Dale wrote: True but I had already re-synced a few times by then. I'm pretty sure what Neil was thinking is that when I synced, I just caught the tree in a state where some ebuilds were updated and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Very recent change in behavior of gmail imap/smtp servers [SOLVED]

2015-07-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 16:27:33 -0700, walt wrote: Anyway, claws-mail (for normal behavior) apparently *requires* me to switch email accounts from a drop-down menu (Configuration::Change- current-account) before trying to read or send email. Are you saying that MessageReceiveGet from all

Re: [gentoo-user] sys-fs/static-dev-0.1 Cannot install on udev/devfs tmpfs.

2015-07-24 Thread Dale
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Friday 24 July 2015 09:51:47 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 02:20:53 -0500, Dale wrote: True but I had already re-synced a few times by then. I'm pretty sure what Neil was thinking is that when I synced, I just caught the tree in a state where some ebuilds

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gone O/T] Catastrophic bug in the firefox 'ProfileManager' function

2015-07-24 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: On Thursday 23 Jul 2015 00:09:09 Dale wrote: You seem to miss my point. I still have to type my passwords into a browser. If as you say, that is not secure, then what point is there to having a password or accessing my bank or other sites via the internet? I don't know if I

[gentoo-user] Re: The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread James
Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: Just be practical. From my experience showing up at a LUG and telling 20 people how something worked well for you gets you a lot further than handing out free T-shirts and hats at a booth. Rich, I'll be practical. Gentoo needs an installer program,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gru2-mkconfig tries to read the extended partition ??

2015-07-24 Thread Mick
On Friday 24 Jul 2015 00:26:01 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:06:38 + (UTC), James wrote: Why is a new installation using a 1980s partition scheme? Oh, I can answer this one. Cause lots of folks have tried the new stuff-age (grub-2, gpt, UUID_names etc etc) and have

[gentoo-user] (no subject)

2015-07-24 Thread misteryellow
Hello everyone, When attempting to create a LUKS encrypted partition, I get get device or resource busy that prevents me to continue with the gentoo installation as I would like to encrypt my boot and root partitions. Whenever I continue and reach the point to install genkernel with

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread J.Rutkowski
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015, at 07:56 AM, James wrote: Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: Just be practical. From my experience showing up at a LUG and telling 20 people how something worked well for you gets you a lot further than handing out free T-shirts and hats at a booth.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 24.07.2015 um 14:56 schrieb James: Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: Just be practical. From my experience showing up at a LUG and telling 20 people how something worked well for you gets you a lot further than handing out free T-shirts and hats at a booth. Rich, I'll be

[gentoo-user] Re: The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread James
J.Rutkowski jrtk at pancakebungalow.com writes: Agreed and the discussion for Project:Installer[1] has some very great ideas. I absolutely think that an installer is necessary to attract newcomers and keep them. The Handbook is great, don't get me wrong, and following it is almost a rite of

[gentoo-user] Re: The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2015-07-24, waben...@gmail.com waben...@gmail.com wrote: I never missed an installer. And I'm neither a geek nor an IT professional. If you don't miss an installer, I'm afraid you're definitely a geek. Not that there's anything wrong with that... :) -- Grant Edwards

Re: [gentoo-user] gru2-mkconfig tries to read the extended partition ??

2015-07-24 Thread Paul Tobias
On 23 Jul 2015 16:18, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Thu, Jul 23 2015, Paul Tobias wrote: On 23 Jul 2015 02:31, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: My new installation is running well, in particular it boots fine. However the grub2-mkconfig seems odd. It finds linux (all kernels) and the stub

Re: [gentoo-user] The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread Jc García
2015-07-24 3:05 GMT-06:00 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org: You don't have to write code to be a part of the Gentoo effort. You just have to want to contribute. So, if this is something that interests you speak up (go ahead and email pr@g.o to ask how you can help, or reach out to a project

[gentoo-user] Re: The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread James
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerarmin at googlemail.com writes: nope. Gentoo does not need an 'installer'. We have way too many people snip misteryellow at vmail.me writes: Hello everyone, When attempting to create a LUKS encrypted partition end/snip Another brilliant idea for a gentoo

[gentoo-user] Re: The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread James
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerarmin at googlemail.com writes: Rich, I'll be practical. Gentoo needs an installer program, like most other distros if you want your rank_n_file users to entice new users. nope. Gentoo does not need an 'installer'. We have way too many people not being able to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread Mick
On Friday 24 Jul 2015 18:32:33 James wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann volkerarmin at googlemail.com writes: Rich, I'll be practical. Gentoo needs an installer program, like most other distros if you want your rank_n_file users to entice new users. nope. Gentoo does not need an

[gentoo-user] Re: The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread James
Mick michaelkintzios at gmail.com writes: Perhaps if in addition a new mailing list for graphical-install users only was created, the arrival of an automated graphical installer would not raise the signal to noise ratio in the gentoo-user M/L. So you consider an installer program for

Re: [gentoo-user] (no subject)

2015-07-24 Thread Fernando Rodriguez
On Friday, July 24, 2015 4:11:32 PM misteryel...@vmail.me wrote: Hello everyone, When attempting to create a LUKS encrypted partition, I get get device or resource busy that prevents me to continue with the gentoo installation as I would like to encrypt my boot and root partitions. It

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread Rich Freeman
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 8:56 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: Just be practical. From my experience showing up at a LUG and telling 20 people how something worked well for you gets you a lot further than handing out free T-shirts and hats at

Re: [gentoo-user] (no subject)

2015-07-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:11:32 +0200, misteryel...@vmail.me wrote: Whenever I continue and reach the point to install genkernel with cryptsetup flags to generate the ramdisk with LUKS modules in it, it prompts me to install thin-provisioning-tools , but the compile fails for some reason and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Friday 24 July 2015 13:07:20 Justin Findlay wrote: There are always going to be people who don't read instructions And you want to waste your time on them? -- Rgds Peter

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Very recent change in behavior of gmail imap/smtp servers [SOLVED]

2015-07-24 Thread walt
On 07/24/2015 01:46 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 16:27:33 -0700, walt wrote: Anyway, claws-mail (for normal behavior) apparently *requires* me to switch email accounts from a drop-down menu (Configuration::Change- current-account) before trying to read or send email. Are

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread Alec Ten Harmsel
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 06:20:04PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 24.07.2015 um 14:56 schrieb James: Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: Just be practical. From my experience showing up at a LUG and telling 20 people how something worked well for you gets you a lot further

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread Mick
On Friday 24 Jul 2015 18:56:02 James wrote: Mick michaelkintzios at gmail.com writes: Perhaps if in addition a new mailing list for graphical-install users only was created, the arrival of an automated graphical installer would not raise the signal to noise ratio in the gentoo-user M/L.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread Justin Findlay
On 07/24/2015 10:20 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 24.07.2015 um 14:56 schrieb James: Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: Just be practical. From my experience showing up at a LUG and telling 20 people how something worked well for you gets you a lot further than handing out free

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 24.07.2015 um 14:56 schrieb James: Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: Just be practical. From my experience showing up at a LUG and telling 20 people how something worked well for you gets you a lot further than handing out free T-shirts and hats at a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread Terry Z.
Honestly I would hate to see an installer become necessary. Other distros do not have issues with minimalistic or no installer causing user acquisition issues. What would be nice to see is the current minimal installer updated to support modern hardware (I believe some recent adjustments were

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread wabenbau
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 24.07.2015 um 14:56 schrieb James: Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: Just be practical. From my experience showing up at a LUG and telling 20 people how something worked well for you gets you a lot further than handing

Re: [gentoo-user] (no subject)

2015-07-24 Thread R0b0t1
I had this issue with cryptsetup. I believe it is an unloaded or missing kernel module - I can't check as I can't reproduce, sorry. Will see if I can find more in the meantime.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread J.Rutkowski
I don't think any of the discussions about an installer included the idea of mandatory use (discussions on gentoo-user and gentoo-dev). I don't think any developer would get behind the idea of replacing current Gentoo installation; it merely is about offering a different choice to the end-user.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread Dale
J.Rutkowski wrote: I don't think any of the discussions about an installer included the idea of mandatory use (discussions on gentoo-user and gentoo-dev). I don't think any developer would get behind the idea of replacing current Gentoo installation; it merely is about offering a different

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread Dale
Justin Findlay wrote: On 07/24/2015 10:20 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am 24.07.2015 um 14:56 schrieb James: Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: Just be practical. From my experience showing up at a LUG and telling 20 people how something worked well for you gets you a lot further

[gentoo-user] Re: The state of public relations?

2015-07-24 Thread James
Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 8:56 AM, James wireless at tampabay.rr.com wrote: Rich Freeman rich0 at gentoo.org writes: Just be practical. From my experience showing up at a LUG and telling 20 people how something worked well for you gets you a lot

[gentoo-user] Qucik and (not so) dirty WLAN setup

2015-07-24 Thread Meino . Cramer
Hi, since the topic WLAN/Wifi is a wide area and I am only a pedestrian (and a not native english speaker too), I want to ask for a keyword or terminus technicus, what I need to search for... Wanted setup: I Wifi connection between a tablet PC (android) and Gentoo Linux PC. I definitely dont

Re: [gentoo-user] gru2-mkconfig tries to read the extended partition ??

2015-07-24 Thread Stroller
On Thu, 23 July 2015, at 7:06 pm, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Why is a new installation using a 1980s partition scheme? Oh, I can answer this one. Cause lots of folks have tried the new stuff-age (grub-2, gpt, UUID_names etc etc) and have several borked installs. … If it's