Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Project:Installer
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 21:19:39 +1000, Hans wrote: I could, with some help from a Bash coder, create a USB stick that runs Gentoo and a Bash script to install Gentoo on a hard drive. I have about 80% done as Cut Paste script. My bottleneck is running fdisk and feeding commands to fdisk from within a bash script. Use parted instead. -- Neil Bothwick We have a equal opportunity Calculus class -- it's fully integrated. pgplVmTuIcCxF.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Project:Installer
(This has ended up hard to read; I hope it's not my tablet that's messed up the message threading, but apologies in advance if it is) On 27 July 2015 3:19:50 AM AEST, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Bruce Schultz brulzki at gmail.com writes: Matthew Marchese maffblas...@gentoo.org writes: I see that you've found stager. I'd like you to share your thoughts on what a perfect installer Gentoo could do. A successful gentoo installer will: Be multi-faceted so that many different, but common installation outcomes are not only possible, but are automated to the point of extreme convenience for folks to use them, as they choose. Let's face it no matter what we do, most noobs will not use Gentoo. But, those folks with some level of experience and competence will use gentoo; many more if there is an automated (base)installation. After all, when google or others corporations install and use gentoo, do you think they have folks spend 1-2 days using the handbook? NO, their gentoo(derivative) has an automated installation. So a base-installer for your [category 1] is the most important part. So in that train of thought, WE, should parse out all of the good parts of many different installers and installation schemes, as a part of the research and leverage as to what exists that can be leveraged or emulated, Debian included. OpenSuse has (13.2) has a slick install that allows for btrfs without lvm or mdadm. That was the default pathway. I've read that you can end up with a full raid install if you choose the advanced pathway. I'm still researching that one. Then there is 'Calculate Linux' that more than one gentoo dev uses routinely to install Gentoo. There are many pathways to streamline the installation of Gentoo. Many, for onerous reasons believe that is a bad idea. There is plenty of existing installation code that sets up MBR and ext*; so that's a no brainer on how to do that. Newer technologies, like btrfs are tricky. Why do you think btrfs is tricky? The last few systems I have installed on have been btrfs based, and once you add the subvolume= option in fstab the boot command line its no more tricky than any other install, IMO. In my opinion, there's really 3 parts to the install process, and I think it helps to distinguish between them. I think a complete installer program has to address all 3, but each task could be modularised. 1. The low level decisions, like disk partitioning, raid and disk mirroring, filesystem choices like ext4, btrfs, zfs, or some other. For a VM, the choices here might include creating a new LVM volume or btrfs subvolume Gentoo is not going to formally support ZFS as has been stated before. However supporting ZFS by others is well documented and some maverick could easily extend the gentoo-base installer for a target system (after your Category-1) where ZFS is installed. Just not officially gentoo. (I only added zfs because the previous post mentioned it) 2. Installing system files, which is not much more than untaring the stage3, and low level system configuration of make.conf settings, choice of profile, locale timezone settings, users passwords, networking, choice of syslog from, etc Category-2 This is a pretty easy part to automate. Many have stated that all of this information could be gathered up before the actual installation (batched) begins and parsed out at the appropriate time during the actually (automated) installation. Agreed. But what is missing is a common interface for passing the details from the category 1 to category 2; whether that is a config file or some other mechanism All of Category 1 as well as some parts of Category-2 are what I refer to as the base-install. After that point is when you make key decisions like workstation vs server vs embedded vs tablet. 3. Higher level system configuration to get to a finalised state This is the part of the traditional Gentoo handbook I do agree with. This is the part of the installation where noobs begin to actually learn gentoo, or at least those parts necessary for routine administration and usage. This is part of the handbook that is trivial for experience *nix folks as most are familiar with more than one package manager or software installation semantic. Most of these sorts of noobs (folks that struggle with maintaining a *nix system) are never going to profile low level kernel code or compare one file system against
[gentoo-user] Re: Project:Installer
On 27/07/15 03:29, James wrote: wabenbau at gmail.com writes: I used to install and look after OpenSuse Desk and Laptops until systemd showed it's ugly face. Now I install and look after several Gentoo Xfce desktops and 3 OpenSuse Xfce Laptops. I use a Cut Paste script to install Gentoo on Desktops. The only manual parts are booting a Gentoo USB stick, modifying hostname, ip address, user names and partitioning. When completed. Wen done, log in as user and set up email accounts and various eye candy. Sounds reasonable. Wouldn't it be great if that was an automated semantic we could all use? OpenSuse install on laptop involves booting of a installation USB stick, select Xfce Desktop, manually enter time zone, user name, counry, hostname, ip address, Samba, login as user and and set up email accounts and various eye candy. I am to stupid to install and get Gentoo to work on Laptops. Um, I disagree. The disk/bios/bootstrap issues are perverted by the manufacturers, particularly on laptops, tablets and embedded devices as to soot their business goals; hence on a laptop the preventative issues are magnified. You are not alone in this struggle. My dream would be to have the OpensSuse Yast installer and administration gui to install, configure and maintain Gentoo on Desktops and Laptops. This should be easy for a programmer whois familiar with Ruby and C. The Yast installer and administration gui's are nothing more than gui interfaced to various command line utilities. If it works, I'd use it, regardless of Yast. Maybe we can find a person that knows Yast (Ruby and such) to hire to write a similar installer for GEntoo? I'm not against hiring the right person to write a gentoo installer:: as long as I get a BTRFS raid 1 base system out of it. DONE DEAL! If anyone is interested, just drop me some private email. It has to open sourced. Yast was one of the reasons why I switched from SUSE to gentoo in 2003. IIRC one problem with Yast was that it used it's own configuration files and not the standard upstream configuration files of the installed packages. This sometimes made the manual configuration of packages very difficult for me, because the original package documentation refers to config files that I could not found on my SUSE system. Another caveat was that if one of the Yast config files was altered by hand, it was not possible to configure this file with Yast anymore. Of course in the beginning of my Linux experience (SuSE 4.2) I was happy that there was Yast because I came from OS/2 and it was a nightmare for me to configure Linux the first time, even with Yast. Without Yast I maybe would not use Linux today. Maybe Yast is better today, but in the past it was sometimes very frustrating. OK, so we need an expert here. Any takers? Make a few dollars and get famous for writing (hacking) a gentoo installer for the gentoo-commoners? Anyone? James I don't really think that there is a requirement for Ruby. Today's Yast2 is simply a GUI like grsync that calls on command line utilities. This can be done using the GTK C library. The Yast running in a terminal appears to be a ncurses interface to the same command line utilities. I could, with some help from a Bash coder, create a USB stick that runs Gentoo and a Bash script to install Gentoo on a hard drive. I have about 80% done as Cut Paste script. My bottleneck is running fdisk and feeding commands to fdisk from within a bash script. Running Gentoo from a USB stick with Grub static is no problem if you don't mind that its slw. I use 2TB USB drive with Gentoo Xfce installed to back up my families Laptops. Plug in the USB drive. Power on the Laptop, Login as Laptop-1. Click the Backup or Restore Icon to start the required rsync session. Have lunch or surf the net. Will make a image for a USB stick with or without Xfce if someone is seriously interested. This USB stick require DHCP from a router for networking and have only VGA video.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Project:Installer
On 27 July 2015 9:24:30 PM AEST, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 21:19:39 +1000, Hans wrote: I could, with some help from a Bash coder, create a USB stick that runs Gentoo and a Bash script to install Gentoo on a hard drive. I have about 80% done as Cut Paste script. My bottleneck is running fdisk and feeding commands to fdisk from within a bash script. Use parted instead. Or sfdisk -- :b
[gentoo-user] Re: Project:Installer
Bruce Schultz brulzki at gmail.com writes: (This has ended up hard to read; I hope it's not my tablet that's messed up the message threading, but apologies in advance if it is) Nope. I use gmane as a front end and it is aggressive in trying to keep posts small. It also rambles a bit so here is my condensed sentiments:: The install process can be broken down to (2) main parts (imho):: (1) Low level hardware, file systems and the mimimum of configs to get a working reboot-able (withoout the installation medium) installation. My base-install is a btrfs, dual disk raid-1 base system, with fstab, efi gpt and grup-2 issues solved, configured and able to be studied as to how configuration was accomplished. If it can be done without mdadm and lvm the that's even better. For this I am willing to *pay* the right person to develop this open source software. Note a base system is probably going to be smaller than a 'default profile system', but it's the same idea, except from it you can build up a myriad of targets. This would essentially consist of the hard drive setup including grub2, gpt, btrfs, raid1, fstab/mtab, mbr-or-efi type of issuse. Menu drive would be keen or a gui installer (YaST). (2) Decide if the device is embedded, tablet, laptop, workstation, cluster, server, firewall or whatever target. Set up the configs and install the appropriate packages that complement the chosen system profile. This part could easily remain manual. It would be an exercise for the noob/user/expert to develop a set of ansible (or whatever) rules to control the build out of the target system. It would continue to be the 'noob filter' that so many experienced gentoo folks seem to like. The self development of automation for multiple system, beyond the functional core (baseline install) is the responsibility of the gentoo user to develop. So it would filter out those 'undesirables' both devs and long term gentoo members seem to abhor. (Not my issue either way). Other key points:: Read up on stage 4 installs as that work is very doable and is being pursued and has the blessing of the dev community, so it is most likely to happen. YaST, ported to GENTOO would be a warmly received project, imho. Better still we have part of yast in gentoo already, just 'eix libyui'. [1,2.3] Besides opensuse others use Calculate Linux or Sabayon Linux then just convert to gentoo:: hth, James [1] http://libyui.sourceforge.net/ [2] https://github.com/libyui/libyui [3] http://michal.hrusecky.net/2011/08/libyui-in-gentoo/
[gentoo-user] Re: Project:Installer
James wireless at tampabay.rr.com writes: 80% done as Cut Paste script. My bottleneck is running fdisk and feeding commands to fdisk from within a bash script. Remember, you have this codebase to look at for ideas on bash installs:: https://github.com/agaffney/quickstart Running Gentoo from a USB stick with Grub static is no problem if you don't mind that its slw. I use 2TB USB drive with Gentoo Xfce installed to back up my families Laptops. Plug in the USB drive. Power on the Laptop, Login as Laptop-1. Click the Backup or Restore Icon to start the required rsync session. Have lunch or surf the net. Will make a image for a USB stick with or without Xfce if someone is seriously interested. This USB stick require DHCP from a router for networking and have only VGA video. Persistence on the usb stick will allow for software to be added or removed, so it might speed up your development efforts to roll out images for testing; here are some more links that might help:: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/LiveDVD-Persistence-Mode https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Install_Gentoo_on_a_bootable_USB_stick For expertise help, maffblaster might just review what you have done and give you ideas on how to complete an installer via bash. He originally said he wanted to port the bash to python(3), if my memory is correct. hth, James 'eix libyui' hth, James [1] http://libyui.sourceforge.net/ [2] https://github.com/libyui/libyui [3] http://michal.hrusecky.net/2011/08/libyui-in-gentoo/
[gentoo-user] To Wifi or not to Wifi...
Hi, shocked from over 1000 lines of configurational stuff in wpa_supplicant.conf I have manovered to this point The USB Wifi-dongle now is a TP-LINK WN722N with Atheros chipset AR9271 802.11n (thanks for the hint!) which driver is by far easier to compile and use as the hassle with this other one... I started /etc/init.d/hostapd manually and the /etc/init.d/net.wlan0 and got this here Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant rfkill: Cannot open RFKILL control device [ ok ] * Starting wpa_cli on wlan0 ... [ ok ] * Backgrounding ... ... * WARNING: net.wlan0 has started, but is inactive I am confused by this...especially by rfkill: Cannot open RFKILL control device...[OK]. It's feeling like: Unexpected ERROR: SUCCESS What is the above text is trying to tell me? Thank you very much in advance for any help! Best regards, Meino PS: Is there any stripped down version of wpa_supplicant.conf for AP use? Sawing that reminds me a little at manually configuring sendmail
[gentoo-user] Re: Project:Installer
Hans linux at interworld.net.au writes: OK, so we need an expert here. Any takers? Make a few dollars and get famous for writing (hacking) a gentoo installer for the gentoo-commoners? Anyone? James I don't really think that there is a requirement for Ruby. Today's Yast2 is simply a GUI like grsync that calls on command line utilities. This can be done using the GTK C library. The Yast running in a terminal appears to be a ncurses interface to the same command line utilities. I could, with some help from a Bash coder, create a USB stick that runs Gentoo and a Bash script to install Gentoo on a hard drive. I have about 80% done as Cut Paste script. My bottleneck is running fdisk and feeding commands to fdisk from within a bash script. Running Gentoo from a USB stick with Grub static is no problem if you don't mind that its slw. I use 2TB USB drive with Gentoo Xfce installed to back up my families Laptops. Plug in the USB drive. Power on the Laptop, Login as Laptop-1. Click the Backup or Restore Icon to start the required rsync session. Have lunch or surf the net. Will make a image for a USB stick with or without Xfce if someone is seriously interested. This USB stick require DHCP from a router for networking and have only VGA video. My specific needs (and something many others will like) is to end up with the base-install of (2) HD/SSD running btrfs-raid-1 and all the appropriate configs completed (gpt, grub-2, fstab/mtab and mbr/efi issues included. That, automated and open-sourced is what I'm willing to *pay* for. If you are interested in that, drop me some private email. I have zero issues with normal handbook installations. btrfs-raid1 is really the only option I have strong interest in, just so you know. I am sympathetic to and understand both sides of the issues. I just hope that the larger *nix community does not see this 'lack of an installer' as a mean spirited issue, as I do not believe it is. It is a confounding issue. I'll surely test what you offer. These links might help [1,2,3]. Maybe Michal will help too, as he seems to be a Osuse-Gentoo type of hack, with some expertise in Yast and it's components. 'eix libyui' hth, James [1] http://libyui.sourceforge.net/ [2] https://github.com/libyui/libyui [3] http://michal.hrusecky.net/2011/08/libyui-in-gentoo/
[gentoo-user] Re: Project:Installer
Hans linux at interworld.net.au writes: I could, with some help from a Bash coder, create a USB stick that runs Gentoo and a Bash script to install Gentoo on a hard drive. I have about 80% done as Cut Paste script. My bottleneck is running fdisk and feeding commands to fdisk from within a bash script. Participation Want to join the project? Have the best-idea-ever that would make the best-installer-ever? Visit the #gentoo-stager channel on Freenode IRC and message maffblaster. That's from :: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Installer hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] To Wifi or not to Wifi...
On Monday 27 Jul 2015 19:13:03 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, shocked from over 1000 lines of configurational stuff in wpa_supplicant.conf I have manovered to this point The USB Wifi-dongle now is a TP-LINK WN722N with Atheros chipset AR9271 802.11n (thanks for the hint!) which driver is by far easier to compile and use as the hassle with this other one... I started /etc/init.d/hostapd manually and the /etc/init.d/net.wlan0 and got this here Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant rfkill: Cannot open RFKILL control device [ ok ] * Starting wpa_cli on wlan0 ... [ ok ] * Backgrounding ... ... * WARNING: net.wlan0 has started, but is inactive I am confused by this...especially by rfkill: Cannot open RFKILL control device...[OK]. It's feeling like: Unexpected ERROR: SUCCESS What is the above text is trying to tell me? It is probably telling you that you have not configured rfkill in your kernel? $ grep RFKILL /usr/src/linux/.config CONFIG_RFKILL=m CONFIG_RFKILL_LEDS=y CONFIG_RFKILL_INPUT=y # CONFIG_AMILO_RFKILL is not set # CONFIG_TOSHIBA_BT_RFKILL is not set This allows you to control the state of the hardware using any buttons for it on your laptop, or by running the command 'rfkill list/block/unblock DEVICE'. PS: Is there any stripped down version of wpa_supplicant.conf for AP use? Sawing that reminds me a little at manually configuring sendmail For hostapd use this: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Hostapd#802.11a.2Fn.2Fac_with_WPA2-PSK_and_CCMP For the client look at this: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wpa_supplicant#WPA2_with_wpa_supplicant -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] To Wifi or not to Wifi...
Hi Meino, I don't think you need to worry about the rfkill: Cannot open RFKILL control device message. I believe that's for getting status of rfkill switches (the switches on laptops to disable the WiFi radio.) A USB WiFi-dongle doesn't generally have those (at least the ones I've used) and neither does my custom hardware which also gets that warning but works fine. I think the bigger issue is the WARNING: net.wlan0 has started, but is inactive. I think the next step is trying to run wpa_supplicant by hand and see what it has to say: wpa_supplicant -iwlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -dd (replacing the location of the config file you want to use for the one after the -c above.) The -dd ups the debugging info displayed. Regards, Todd * meino.cra...@gmx.de meino.cra...@gmx.de [150727 14:13]: Hi, shocked from over 1000 lines of configurational stuff in wpa_supplicant.conf I have manovered to this point The USB Wifi-dongle now is a TP-LINK WN722N with Atheros chipset AR9271 802.11n (thanks for the hint!) which driver is by far easier to compile and use as the hassle with this other one... I started /etc/init.d/hostapd manually and the /etc/init.d/net.wlan0 and got this here Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant rfkill: Cannot open RFKILL control device [ ok ] * Starting wpa_cli on wlan0 ... [ ok ] * Backgrounding ... ... * WARNING: net.wlan0 has started, but is inactive I am confused by this...especially by rfkill: Cannot open RFKILL control device...[OK]. It's feeling like: Unexpected ERROR: SUCCESS What is the above text is trying to tell me? Thank you very much in advance for any help! Best regards, Meino PS: Is there any stripped down version of wpa_supplicant.conf for AP use? Sawing that reminds me a little at manually configuring sendmail
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Very recent change in behavior of gmail imap/smtp servers [SOLVED (for the third time, maybe fourth ;) ]
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 18:34:25 -0700 walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: Google has just introduced a 120-second delay before allowing login to their email servers. Just in the last day or two, literally. Yet again, I think(hope/pray) I've solved this mysterious change in behavior: For years I've configured my email clients (thunderbird, and recently claws-mail) to use imap.gmail.com as the mail server. Finally I 'googled' (using DuckDuckGo) for how to configure imap access to gmail servers, and discovered that google is now recommending the server name imap.googlemail.com instead of imap.gmail.com. I made the appropriate changes in configuration for claws-mail and thunderbird, and I think(hope/pray) that the problem is fixed. In my preliminary trials it seems to be fixed. The mail server did ask me (once) after changing the server name, to reconfirm my password, so something did really change. I'm not making this stuff up, I promise.
Re: [gentoo-user] To Wifi or not to Wifi...
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com [15-07-27 21:04]:
On Monday 27 Jul 2015 19:13:03 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
Hi,
shocked from over 1000 lines of configurational stuff in
wpa_supplicant.conf I have manovered to this point
The USB Wifi-dongle now is a TP-LINK WN722N with Atheros chipset AR9271
802.11n (thanks for the hint!) which driver is by far easier to compile
and use as the hassle with this other one...
I started /etc/init.d/hostapd manually and the /etc/init.d/net.wlan0
and got this here
Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant
rfkill: Cannot open RFKILL control device
[ ok ] * Starting wpa_cli on wlan0 ...
[ ok ] *
Backgrounding ... ...
* WARNING: net.wlan0 has started, but is inactive
I am confused by this...especially by rfkill: Cannot open RFKILL control
device...[OK]. It's feeling like: Unexpected ERROR: SUCCESS
What is the above text is trying to tell me?
It is probably telling you that you have not configured rfkill in your kernel?
$ grep RFKILL /usr/src/linux/.config
CONFIG_RFKILL=m
CONFIG_RFKILL_LEDS=y
CONFIG_RFKILL_INPUT=y
# CONFIG_AMILO_RFKILL is not set
# CONFIG_TOSHIBA_BT_RFKILL is not set
This allows you to control the state of the hardware using any buttons for it
on your laptop, or by running the command 'rfkill list/block/unblock DEVICE'.
PS:
Is there any stripped down version of wpa_supplicant.conf
for AP use? Sawing that reminds me a little at manually configuring
sendmail
For hostapd use this:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Hostapd#802.11a.2Fn.2Fac_with_WPA2-PSK_and_CCMP
For the client look at this:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Wpa_supplicant#WPA2_with_wpa_supplicant
--
Regards,
Mick
Hi Mick,
I recompiled the kernel with the flags set! Never thought, that this
is a kernel thing...rfkill souns like any other commandline tool...
:)
I tried the stripped down version of wpa_supplicat.conf with mixed
results. I changed it as follows:
hw_mode=n # a simply means 2.4GHz
channel=0 # the channel to use, 0 means the AP will search for the
channel with the least interferences
ieee80211d=1 # limit the frequencies used to those allowed in the
country
country_code=DE # the country code
ieee80211n=1 # 802.11n support
ieee80211ac=1 # 802.11ac support
wmm_enabled=1 # QoS support
ssid=somename # the name of the AP
auth_algs=1 # 1=wpa, 2=wep, 3=both
wpa=2 # WPA2 only
wpa_key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
rsn_pairwise=CCMP
wpa_passphrase=XX
I changed hw_mode to n since a is not supported by the tablet PC
which I want to connect to my PC.
I set the password to something different as shown here... ;)
The output is:
Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant
Line 1: unknown global field 'interface=wlan0'.
Line 1: Invalid configuration line 'interface=wlan0'.
Line 2: unknown global field 'hw_mode=n'.
Line 2: Invalid configuration line 'hw_mode=n'.
Line 3: unknown global field 'channel=0'.
Line 3: Invalid configuration line 'channel=0'.
Line 4: unknown global field 'ieee80211d=1'.
Line 4: Invalid configuration line 'ieee80211d=1'.
Line 5: unknown global field 'country_code=DE'.
Line 5: Invalid configuration line 'country_code=DE'.
Line 6: unknown global field 'ieee80211n=1'.
Line 6: Invalid configuration line 'ieee80211n=1'.
Line 7: unknown global field 'ieee80211ac=1'.
Line 7: Invalid configuration line 'ieee80211ac=1'.
Line 8: unknown global field 'wmm_enabled=1'.
Line 8: Invalid configuration line 'wmm_enabled=1'.
Line 10: unknown global field 'ssid=somename'.
Line 10: Invalid configuration line 'ssid=somename'.
Line 11: unknown global field 'auth_algs=1'.
Line 11: Invalid configuration line 'auth_algs=1'.
Line 12: unknown global field 'wpa=2'.
Line 12: Invalid configuration line 'wpa=2'.
Line 13: unknown global field 'wpa_key_mgmt=WPA-PSK'.
Line 13: Invalid configuration line 'wpa_key_mgmt=WPA-PSK'.
Line 14: unknown global field 'rsn_pairwise=CCMP'.
Line 14: Invalid configuration line 'rsn_pairwise=CCMP'.
Line 15: unknown global field 'wpa_passphrase=stardancer2107631'.
Line 15: Invalid configuration line 'wpa_passphrase=X'.
Failed to read or parse configuration '/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf'.
* start-stop-daemon: failed to start `/usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant'
[ !! ]
* ERROR: net.wlan0 failed to start
[1]4612 exit 1 /etc/init.d/net.wlan0 restart
the installed wpa_supplicant is:
[I] net-wireless/wpa_supplicant
Available versions: 2.4-r3 ~2.4-r4 {ap dbus eap-sim fasteap gnutls +hs2-0
p2p ps3 qt4 readline selinux smartcard ssl tdls uncommon-eap-types wimax wps
KERNEL=FreeBSD linux}
Installed versions: 2.4-r3(19:45:59 07/27/15)(dbus hs2-0 readline ssl -ap
-eap-sim -fasteap -gnutls
